Albanian Tribe and Clan (Fis) Y-DNA

Leka said:
Hi Dibra,

I had a chance to look a bit into Preshpalaj, and there is such a family in Spaç, though, they are not related to Spaçi tribe - who are predominantly J2b2-PH1751. They came to Spaç from Kalaj of Kthelle e Eperme.
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Hi Leka. My father isn't certain if we were originally Pershpalaj or if a Pershpalaj woman married into the Koci and it got lost in translation.

I spoke to a Albanian guy who has been to orosh in mirdita where the Pershpalaj are predominantly located.

If there is any truth to the oral history, he claims the Pershpalaj descended from a Condottieri named Paul from the Apennines of Italy. He was supposedly hired by Skanderbeg in the 1400s and brought to Albania to fight the Ottomans where he would eventually settle in Mirdita.

I am doing full genomes. So, time will tell if this story holds any merit.
 
Leka said:
Hi Dibra,

I had a chance to look a bit into Preshpalaj, and there is such a family in Spaç, though, they are not related to Spaçi tribe - who are predominantly J2b2-PH1751. They came to Spaç from Kalaj of Kthelle e Eperme.
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I forgot to ask. Forgot about this post. Do you per chance have a way to get into contact with these Pershpalaj in Spac? I would very much like to test them and happily donate towards that end.

Sadly all the Pershpalaj I contacted never responded. The one that did was not comfortable with DNA testing.
 
Dibran said:
I forgot to ask. Forgot about this post. Do you per chance have a way to get into contact with these Pershpalaj in Spac? I would very much like to test them and happily donate towards that end.

Sadly all the Pershpalaj I contacted never responded. The one that did was not comfortable with DNA testing.
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Unfortunately I don’t. I ran into that info while reading some ethnographic literature (can’t remember the source at the moment, but I think it might be one of Mark Tirta’s articles/books).
 
Leka said:
Unfortunately I don’t. I ran into that info while reading some ethnographic literature (can’t remember the source at the moment, but I think it might be one of Mark Tirta’s articles/books).
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Ok thanks. Sadly none of the ones I reached out to have been responsive. Perhaps one will eventually test on their own.
 
Beki said:
Hi! I am from the village of Sllatina near Vushtrri. I'm a Serb by nationality. My ancestors moved to Sllatina in 1865 from Drenica, from the village Kërlligatë. In Kërligate we moved from the surrounding area of ​​Peje. According to one tradition, we moved to Kosovo from Moraca, but genetics disputed this tradition. According to another tradition, we were Albanians catholic, but we have switched to orthodoxy. Our current surname is Janiqijeviq/Janićijević, and our old surname is Çubrk-Çubruk. We had relatives in villages: Stërnac i Poshtëm and Çubrel. Our relatives from Çubrel moved to the village of Tupalle near Medvegja in 1878 because of the blood feud, their old surname is Qubrak.

I am currently investigating from which tribe/fis my ancestors come. What I managed to find out is that entire northwest Drenica is inhabited exclusively by Albanians from a clan Gashi. Albanians from the Gashi clan live exclusively in the villages: Radishevë, Stërnac i Poshtëm, Kotorr, Kuqicë, Klinë e Epërme, Klinë e Mesme, Klinë e Poshtme, Çubrel, Vitak, Klladërnicë, Lubavec, Kosterc. These first four villages are right next to the village of Kërlligatë and practically surround this village.

A few months ago, I did a test on 37 markers. According to the obtained results, i am belong to haplogroup R1b>L23>Z2103>CTS9219>BY611>Z2705*. On the recommendation of the administrators of the Albanian and Serbian DNA Project I ordered the SNP test Y32147,but unfortunately it was discovered that I did not belong to that branch. I'm currently waiting for someone to appear with whom I will have a close match.
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The admins of Albanian bloodlines would be better able to further assist you. I think its certain however that you at least have distant Proto-Albanian origin given this clade BY611 is almost a tell tale sign of Albanian origin. How recent that is would depend on what matches you have. You should test bigy at FTDNA. Perhaps you form a founder effect.
 
Beki said:
Hi! I am from the village of Sllatina near Vushtrri. I'm a Serb by nationality. My ancestors moved to Sllatina in 1865 from Drenica, from the village Kërlligatë. In Kërligate we moved from the surrounding area of ​​Peje. According to one tradition, we moved to Kosovo from Moraca, but genetics disputed this tradition. According to another tradition, we were Albanians catholic, but we have switched to orthodoxy. Our current surname is Janiqijeviq/Janićijević, and our old surname is Çubrk-Çubruk. We had relatives in villages: Stërnac i Poshtëm and Çubrel. Our relatives from Çubrel moved to the village of Tupalle near Medvegja in 1878 because of the blood feud, their old surname is Qubrak.

I am currently investigating from which tribe/fis my ancestors come. What I managed to find out is that entire northwest Drenica is inhabited exclusively by Albanians from a clan Gashi. Albanians from the Gashi clan live exclusively in the villages: Radishevë, Stërnac i Poshtëm, Kotorr, Kuqicë, Klinë e Epërme, Klinë e Mesme, Klinë e Poshtme, Çubrel, Vitak, Klladërnicë, Lubavec, Kosterc. These first four villages are right next to the village of Kërlligatë and practically surround this village.

A few months ago, I did a test on 37 markers. According to the obtained results, i am belong to haplogroup R1b>L23>Z2103>CTS9219>BY611>Z2705*. On the recommendation of the administrators of the Albanian and Serbian DNA Project I ordered the SNP test Y32147,but unfortunately it was discovered that I did not belong to that branch. I'm currently waiting for someone to appear with whom I will have a close match.
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Interesting, I belong to the same line but positive of Y32147.


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I have talked to Beki, my respects for this young fellow. I have looked at his results and we have discussed it. Deal with R1b-Y33200* is that it has high presence at all Albanian lands and a somewhat low TMRCA, therefore it is very tightly connected with Albanians. I would say it is one of ancient Illyrian lines that had a "luck" to expand in last 1000-1500 years after severe bottleneck.

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Beki said:
I have the most matches with the Bytyqi GD= 32/37. This means that our common ancestor lived us about 700 years ago.
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That does not mean much. Many R-Z2705 haplotypes are within GD=1-5 and their TMRCA lived around 1500 ybp. GD=5 is not low for this clade.
 
Ownstyler said:
That does not mean much. Many R-Z2705 haplotypes are within GD=1-5 and their TMRCA lived around 1500 ybp. GD=5 is not low for this clade.
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Beki tested as Y32147 negative. Due to his unique CDY value he is most likely Y33200* and brother clade to all others under Y33200.

He shares TMRCA 1500 years with all under Y33200 but he has no close matches, most likely isolated branch formed 1500 years ago. He has high chance to find closer match in future, we will see.

He will most likely be in this group as all of these samples below which are smaller brother clades to R1b-Y32147 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2705*/

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Spaç

Hey guys, new here. I saw Spaç mentioned here and figured maybe someone could help me out. My family supposedly has roots in Gurth Spaç and is Spaç by tribe. This seems to be supported in that I'm J-Y85522. We changed our last name upon moving to Kosovë around the 1860s. Supposedly our last name back home was Mrnacaj or something similar to that. Anyone happen to know if thats a known surname in/around Gurth Spaç?
 
Is the haplogroup I-Z17855 linked to any Fis? I saw online that there's a Kelmend from Gjakova who has that haplogroup.
 
Hioloi said:
Is the haplogroup I-Z17855 linked to any Fis? I saw online that there's a Kelmend from Gjakova who has that haplogroup.
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He is not Kelmend, he is from Đakovica and is of Serbian paternal ancestry (belongs to haplogroup I2-Z17855>A16413>A20030>Y135654).
 
Do you know that guy? Because rrenjet wouldn't label him a Kelmend for no reason. I hardly believe he's Serbian. I also have that haplogroup and am not.
 
The guy obviously belongs to Kelmend, they just neccessarily weren't originally Kelmendi i.e fused into the tribe during it's formation or later. I see there is one guy from Shkodra under there too yfull(dot)com/tree/I-Y135654/
 
Commander Spock said:
He is not Kelmend, he is from Đakovica and is of Serbian paternal ancestry (belongs to haplogroup I2-Z17855>A16413>A20030>Y135654).
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Piperi tribe and countless others are Albanian in origin too but I don't think we can claim them as Albanian today. It's pretty obvious also a lot of the Slavs who used to live in Kosove and Albania are part of the modern Albanian ethnic make up and not modern Serbs . I don't think modern Serbs can lay claim to areas inhabited by Albanians + Slavs and who then became entirely Albanian. :LOL:
 
Very interesting. Thanks for clearing it up.
 
Commander Spock said:
He is not Kelmend, he is from Đakovica and is of Serbian paternal ancestry (belongs to haplogroup I2-Z17855>A16413>A20030>Y135654).
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His match with Serbs is 900 years ago. He is, and identifies as Albanian. In all likelihood he joined Kelmend, and is not part of the Progenitor of the tribe.

This isn't uncommon that Albanians join other tribes and carry different haplogroups (be they slavic or otherwise).
 
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