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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    Tell that to the muslim brotherhood. Or those lunatics who are currently trying to kill everyone in Iraq who doesn't share their extremist views on what islam is. Yes, I know, they're not the majority of muslims, they're just the minority who are angry and violent enough to take over the muslim world and force all other muslims to go along with them. As long as islam tries to spread through conquest and terror, the people of the civilized world will hate and fear islam.
    From my experience MtDNA is right most Muslims are not very religious. He's right that many other people have gone under the name of other religions and done horrible things. How is anything that he said wrong? I don't know about the media part, but popular shows like Family Guy have no problem with having fun with raciest(or whatever you want'a call it) stero types towards east Asians, Jews, Irish, Muslims, Christians, African Americans, etc. etc. etc. Many Americans have prejudice towards defined groups, partly because of funny stero types or whatever.

    Why are you giving MtDNA such a hard time? He's addressing a real problem. Although you can't find it in laws or give physical prove, Muslims aren't always seen in a good way by westerners. To atheist like you and Lebrok, they're stupid and ignorant religious people who are the source of all evil in the world. To many ordinary westerners they're strange foreigners, terrorists, third world, primitive, etc. MtDNA isn't a member of ISIS, he's an ordinary person who doesn't like the negative way some think of Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Yes they don't do the best job, but they need to cater to what public wants to listen and see most, for better ratings. If people are already scared of something, media will show news about this more often. Media fallows people sentiments and likes, that's why there is so much news about entertainment stars, and much less news about politics and business, although the later shapes the world and current events.
    The media gets on my nerves. Why should Obama tell the world his plan to stop ISIS. Things that serious need to stay behind closed doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I am a pagan, for me I am the best, for you I do not know, but for Islam, according Quran I am an infidel, a kafir/Kufar which must be taxated or die, if not converted.
    how do you feel with that?

    wellcome to free world, Islam is not, i can not express my shelf there.
    I doubt ancient Greek pagans have much on Muslims when it comes to peacefulness.

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    That's heartwarming deeds indeed. Jews were also saved by many other people religious or not. I believe it was done more from good nature of people, and not necessarily from passages in holy books about saving Jews.
    Were these Muslims influenced by passages from Koran or preachings of clerics to save Jews? This would indicate help of islamic teachings in saving Jews.
    My inquiry was more about if religion itself, in this case Islam, teaches peaceful coexistence, tolerance, love, equality for all races and social status or gender and religion, saving lives, preventing violence etc. The elements which build peace on earth and are extremely important and embraced in today's western free world. On this base we could call Islam religion of peace.
    Furthermore, if we can find in Koran passages about gender inequality, religious intolerance, rewards in heaven for killing infidels, calls for war in quest of world dominance of Islam, acceptance of slavery, preserving social hierarchy in rights and privileges, etc, can we wholeheartedly say that Islam is religion of peace? Perhaps Islam is religion of both, peace and war, depending on circumstances?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm sorry you feel this way. I thought we were voicing legitimate concerns if it comes to perception of Islam from Western world perspective. Farthermore not agreeing with your point of view on the subject, which is still not shared with us, doesn't coincide with hatred towards Muslims. Many members of Eupedia are Muslims from Europe, and nobody wants to get rid of them or invade their countries, either Bosnia or Albania. They are tolerant like rest of Europe and nobody feels endangered by them or acting aggressively or in self defence.

    Having said that I think you opened an interesting thread which will gather many honest opinions on the subject. It will allow you, and other Muslims, to learn what people truly think and how they feel about the subject. What is scary for them in Islam, why they act defensively, and perhaps deliver some solutions you are after.

    Here is an interesting question for you. Why is that Westerners, mostly Christians and many atheists, can peacefully coexist with people of buddhism, hinduism, shinto religions and many others but they are afraid of Muslims? What caused, in your mind, dislike of Islam and its believers?

    If it comes to deleting the thread I can't do that unless it violates Eupedia rules. You can ask Maciamo, the owner, to delete the thread, however when you signed on Eupedia you agreed that whatever you post belongs to Eupedia.
    Nah, you're not sorry, that's sarcasm. This dude did nothing wrong and you guys ganged up on him like a pack of wolves. Sure, you don't hate muslims, but you treated MtDNA like trash.

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    Honestly, I think westerners are too stuck up on individualism. Freedom, freedom, equal right, etc. I get tired of hearing the same old cry, it gets old after almost 300 years. I think we need to toughen up and not cry about every little thing that makes us uncomfortable as individuals. Any thoughts on this? It's an idea in it's infancy, but I do think it's something that needs to change in the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post

    Why are you giving MtDNA such a hard time? He's addressing a real problem. Although you can't find it in laws or give physical prove, Muslims aren't always seen in a good way by westerners. To atheist like you and Lebrok, they're stupid and ignorant religious people who are the source of all evil in the world. To many ordinary westerners they're strange foreigners, terrorists, third world, primitive, etc.
    Still insecure? You seem to know what we think before we said anything remotely what you insinuate. If anything these epithets suit you and other religious zealots regardless of religion. For your information in my work I deal with many Middle Easterners and many Muslims and so far have only good experience. So please tell me more what to think about them.

    MtDNA isn't a member of ISIS, he's an ordinary person
    your keen observation skills missed that he is a she.

    who doesn't like the negative way some think of Muslims.
    Thanks for stating the obvious. And you must be a Christian who don't like anything negative about your religion either, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    No, I made it by accident. And it is making me kind of angry reading these comments. Why does it always have to be us to blame?

    How come I can only read comments of people that are only know lies about islam they've been fed by the media.

    lies about Islam?


    is it a lie that Islam orders faithfull to spread Mohamet words even by sword?

    Tell me, according Quran and Islam, a Pagan, what chances has?


    to be converted,
    to be harassed,
    to die by a faithfull which will go to Islamic,

    TRUE or FALSE?


    tell me why faithfull 'jihad' cut the head of non Muslim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I agree, this is exactly what has to happen to fix the problem of radical Muslims. The moderate Muslims need to wake up and stair the problem in the eye. One thing baffles me in this scenario though. If moderate Muslims are the majority among all Muslims why there are so many strong extremist groups around them? The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and many others. Why extremist mullahs and Madras schools are allowed to brainwash their children?
    cause moderate Muslims can think, but an imam can not, he just read and transit the Quran
    that is why so many Hersies and Fetva in Islam,

    Now if Quran say that the 'different' must converted taxated or die, and Imam transmit it to faith full, sorry, the moderate Islamic people must 'silence'

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Still insecure? You seem to know what we think before we said anything remotely what you insinuate. If anything these epithets suit you and other religious zealots regardless of religion.
    That insult you just gave me should give members a good idea what a great tolerant guy you are.

    Here are examples of you expressing this belief.

    Yesterday, 09:45. This thread

    Do you have a particular example that brought your attention to it?

    Otherwise there are few:
    1. Many things Muslims do they do it in name of god.
    2. Religion is very important for Muslims as integral part of life.
    3. Many killings and executions in recent times were done by Muslims in name of religious sacrifice. Suicide bombers are mostly muslim. ISIS in Syria and Iraq fights in name of Allah.
    4. Most religious conflicts and fights are between Muslims and other faiths (India, Indonesia the West), or Muslims against Muslims (Syria, Iraq), where there is lack of arm conflicts between other religions.
    5. All of this creates paranoia in mainly Christian West
    Link to comment.
    So was Churchill fighting them, so were many founding fathers of USA with Lincoln and Jefferson leading the way. Hitler and Stalin didn't kill because they were atheists, they killed because they were psychopaths. They took pleasure in human suffering and death. In this department of monsters we can find many Christians and Muslim kings of the past.
    Do you think there is a reason why most atheists are among scientists?
    Replying to Kamni who suggested banning all religion claiming it would end all war.

    13-06-14, 14:56. Link to comment.
    I support it if it comes to big organized religions, although people are spiritual in nature, and need to believe in something for at least healthy psychological reasons. That's why total ban of religion, like in Soviet Union or China, never worked. After 80 years (3 generations) of programed atheism in Russia 75% of people still believe in god. This should tell us something.
    That took me like two minutes to find. You have expressed many times that you believe religion is for idiots and mostly causes war and intolerance(summarized). After, dissing MtDNA and Muslims, you deny it? Lebrok, you're known for sarcasm, relentlessly hating on religious people, giving members infractions because you don't like them(You just gave me one for that reason), and supporting "tolerance". MtDNA and that awesome Greek dude are great witnesses of your intolerance. You gave me an infraction for defending MtDNA and accusing you of sarcasm(I was right), yet you don't give yourself an infraction for doing 10x worse than that(pretty twisted and wrong).

    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    For your information in my work I deal with many Middle Easterners and many Muslims and so far have only good experience. So please tell me more what to think about them.
    I'm not trying to brag about knowing many Muslims. That sarcasm isn't appropriate or useful in this conversation, you're just trying to express your hate towards me.

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    Gushhh
    I can not say something more,

    @MtDNA

    except this, once converted, only death can set you 'free'

    for those who do not know, read Quran.

    mtDNA you seem educated, and you can judge upon good and bad.
    I chalenge you, to read the Quran.
    and tell me, as a pagan, what are my chances to survive in there?

    plz do it, then you understand, when you realise the dilema, to kill an infidel for heaven, or not, or wear a burka all your life, or not,
    it is our personal believes that make us good or bad, not the religion, the religion is laws,
    but when I kill in the name of Allah, (christianity did that many times), we pass to another level, the level of stupidity.
    WEST passed that, in the name of Christ wars had happenned, witch-hunt etc etc
    Middle East had passed it before, but pass it again,
    we must stop the madness of some crazy Imams,
    and the first who must revolt are the muslims them shelves,
    instead at year 2014 (don't know how much after Egira and start of muslim callendar) we see a religious call, to eliminate the infidels,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Thanks for stating the obvious. And you must be a Christian who don't like anything negative about your religion either, right?
    True, I don't like people having bad prejudices about Christians and making fun of them, just like MtDNA doesn't like people to do with Muslims. How is being against discrimination a bad thing? BTW, you're statement about you not thinking religious people are ignorant, etc., is already getting pretty weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Mods, I made a mistake to make this thread. Please delete it or lock it. I don't know what I was thinking when I made it, but I wanted to focus more on why hateful comments are made about us, and what to do to decrease prejudice. I didn't want to hear prejudiced opinions.
    I know I shouldn't have made controversial topics. Please delete this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    If it comes to deleting the thread I can't do that unless it violates Eupedia rules. You can ask Maciamo, the owner, to delete the thread, however when you signed on Eupedia you agreed that whatever you post belongs to Eupedia.
    We don't delete content, but I'm fine with locking this thread, which has been wrecked by the edits and people talking past each other anyway. Locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    That took me like two minutes to find.
    To find what? Few well known facts? If you find hatred in these posts, you don't know what hatred is. You confuse hatred with stating obvious, because you don't like obvious. You confuse hatred with opinions you don't like. If people don't say nice words to you obviously they must hate you. I have my doubts that you comprehend what you read.


    You said:
    Replying to Kamni who suggested banning all religion claiming it would end all war.
    My quote:
    I support it if it comes to big organized religions, although people are spiritual in nature, and need to believe in something for at least healthy psychological reasons. That's why total ban of religion, like in Soviet Union or China, never worked. After 80 years (3 generations) of programed atheism in Russia 75% of people still believe in god. This should tell us something.
    Perhaps you should read slowly or twice?

    relentlessly hating on religious people
    Obviously I'm hating my mother, she's very religious. Please, give me one quote, I'm making fun of religious people.

    you believe religion is for idiots
    You'd better quote me or you will get another red card for false statements.

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