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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Why is there so much hate geared around me and my fellow muslims. How come when a muslim youth does something stupid, the media mentions their religion over anything else? How come we had to always 'be kind to everyone' because 'we are the representatives of our religion'? How come we are not allowed to research topics about subatomic physics for fear of tracking and unlawful accusations?
    IMO It's not about Islam or religion in general, there was sex trafficking from eastern Europe in the early 2,000's, and I reckon this is the case in India as well, both of these places don't have a Muslim majority. It's more about local culture, I mean you wouldn't expect women to be treated in a place like Turkey or Egypt in the way they're treated in Pakistan, and 3 of these places have a Muslim majority. But in all honesty, rape is rape, regardless if the one responsible was w/e.

    P.S It seems like the US has made a better job in assimilating their Muslim community than say Britain or France, if you don't assimilate a population, you get a ghetto culture where poverty is rampant, and then things like rape or sex trafficking become more frequent.

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    Do you have a particular example that brought your attention to it?

    Otherwise there are few:
    1. Many things Muslims do they do it in name of god.
    2. Religion is very important for Muslims as integral part of life.
    3. Many killings and executions in recent times were done by Muslims in name of religious sacrifice. Suicide bombers are mostly muslim. ISIS in Syria and Iraq fights in name of Allah.
    4. Most religious conflicts and fights are between Muslims and other faiths (India, Indonesia the West), or Muslims against Muslims (Syria, Iraq), where there is lack of arm conflicts between other religions.
    5. All of this creates paranoia in mainly Christian West.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    How come we are not allowed to research topics about subatomic physics for fear of tracking and unlawful accusations?
    Can you elaborate, or share an example? I don't think google knows my religious affiliation, and probably doesn't know yours. Otherwise we both are tracked by many internet services and organizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Why is there so much hate geared around me and my fellow muslims. How come when a muslim youth does something stupid, the media mentions their religion over anything else? How come we had to always 'be kind to everyone' because 'we are the representatives of our religion'? How come we are not allowed to research topics about subatomic physics for fear of tracking and unlawful accusations?
    Although only a small percentage of muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are muslims. And there's no easy way to identify which muslims are apt to commit terrorist acts. I think it really is that simple.

    Perhaps in future, if Bahais or Quakers embrance terrorism and muslims renounce terrorism, attitudes will change. Oh, wait, neither of those things are going to happen, are they? Bahais and Quakers believe in peace and tolerance for others, while many muslims who aren't terrorists nevertheless believe that people who won't convert to islam should be killed. That attitude may be the reason many people hate and fear all muslims. I'm sure that christians were hated and feared by Pagans many centuries ago when christians believed that they had the right to torture and kill anyone who wouldn't convert. But christians have, on the whole, grown up and become more tolerant. When is that going to happen in the moslem world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    1 & 2. Most muslims aren't even religious.
    3 & 4. Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. also do messed up things.
    5. The media is to blame for paranoia.
    Tell that to the muslim brotherhood. Or those lunatics who are currently trying to kill everyone in Iraq who doesn't share their extremist views on what islam is. Yes, I know, they're not the majority of muslims, they're just the minority who are angry and violent enough to take over the muslim world and force all other muslims to go along with them. As long as islam tries to spread through conquest and terror, the people of the civilized world will hate and fear islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    1 & 2. Most muslims aren't even religious.
    Perhaps so, but they don't seem to have a voice over shouting religious zealots, and all the West hears is "Allah akbar" at every occasion.
    3 & 4. Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. also do messed up things.
    Yes in the past, as Aberdeen mentioned. However current news dominates politics, people attention and mass media in general. We don't need to fear cruisers or holy inquisition, they don't exist anymore. Islamic suicide bombers, on other hand, can strike anytime and everywhere around the world.
    5. The media is to blame for paranoia.
    Yes they don't do the best job, but they need to cater to what public wants to listen and see most, for better ratings. If people are already scared of something, media will show news about this more often. Media fallows people sentiments and likes, that's why there is so much news about entertainment stars, and much less news about politics and business, although the later shapes the world and current events.

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    Mods, I made a mistake to make this thread. Please delete it or lock it. I don't know what I was thinking when I made it, but I wanted to focus more on why hateful comments are made about us, and what to do to decrease prejudice. I didn't want to hear prejudiced opinions.
    I know I shouldn't have made controversial topics. Please delete this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Why is there so much hate geared around me and my fellow muslims. How come when a muslim youth does something stupid, the media mentions their religion over anything else? How come we had to always 'be kind to everyone' because 'we are the representatives of our religion'? How come we are not allowed to research topics about subatomic physics for fear of tracking and unlawful accusations?
    Muslim theology is backward. I know it because I live in a Muslim country. The way theology of Muslims treat women is horrible. Almost as subhumans. This scares to death the westerners and moderate Muslims. People of Muslim countries are good. They should not be demonized and looked down on them, but they should try to reform their religion the way Christianity has done many times. What should westerners think when they see Afghan women beaten by religious police or theocracy in Iran?
    Should there be love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Mods, I made a mistake to make this thread. Please delete it or lock it. I don't know what I was thinking when I made it, but I wanted to focus more on why hateful comments are made about us, and what to do to decrease prejudice. I didn't want to hear prejudiced opinions.
    I know I shouldn't have made controversial topics. Please delete this thread.
    I'm sorry you feel this way. I thought we were voicing legitimate concerns if it comes to perception of Islam from Western world perspective. Farthermore not agreeing with your point of view on the subject, which is still not shared with us, doesn't coincide with hatred towards Muslims. Many members of Eupedia are Muslims from Europe, and nobody wants to get rid of them or invade their countries, either Bosnia or Albania. They are tolerant like rest of Europe and nobody feels endangered by them or acting aggressively or in self defence.

    Having said that I think you opened an interesting thread which will gather many honest opinions on the subject. It will allow you, and other Muslims, to learn what people truly think and how they feel about the subject. What is scary for them in Islam, why they act defensively, and perhaps deliver some solutions you are after.

    Here is an interesting question for you. Why is that Westerners, mostly Christians and many atheists, can peacefully coexist with people of buddhism, hinduism, shinto religions and many others but they are afraid of Muslims? What caused, in your mind, dislike of Islam and its believers?

    If it comes to deleting the thread I can't do that unless it violates Eupedia rules. You can ask Maciamo, the owner, to delete the thread, however when you signed on Eupedia you agreed that whatever you post belongs to Eupedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Ugh, are you just a convert to atheism? Muslims respect their women alot. Haven't you seen Turks. Their women are the heads of the household, and the men are treated like mules (Men's right activists, go fetch).
    I am a pagan, for me I am the best, for you I do not know, but for Islam, according Quran I am an infidel, a kafir/Kufar which must be taxated or die, if not converted.
    how do you feel with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Ugh, are you just a convert to atheism? Muslims respect their women alot. Haven't you seen Turks. Their women are the heads of the household, and the men are treated like mules (Men's right activists, go fetch).
    "A man should not be questioned when he beats his wife."



    And by the way I am gay/homosexual, created like that by Nature but Islam wants to kill me like it persecutes all the gay communities in the Islamic countries they live in. Its 2014 Mtdna and it would be refreshing to see some reformations in the Islamic world in line with the realities of today that were not available a 1200 years ago!

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    No, I made it by accident. And it is making me kind of angry reading these comments. Why does it always have to be us to blame?

    How come I can only read comments of people that are only know lies about islam they've been fed by the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    No, I made it by accident.
    Often good things come by way of accident.

    And it is making me kind of angry reading these comments.
    It is good to talk about feelings and learn how "the other side" feels.

    Why does it always have to be us to blame?
    People are talking but you are not hearing them.

    How come I can only read comments of people that are only know lies about islam they've been fed by the media.
    Here is your chance to correct them responding to concerns of Eupedia members about Islam.

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    There are Christian and Yashidi refugees streaming across the borders into other countries with reports of the absolutely horrifying atrocities that are being perpetrated in the Middle East as we speak, not to mention the omnipresent videos, some of them published by the perpetrators themselves. It's like a primitive version of the Holocaust in Europe.

    Are we to believe this is all a massive hoax?

    I know that millions upon millions of Muslims are undoubtedly as saddened and horrified by this as I am. Indeed, I know an Egyptian family, for example, and they are heartbroken over what has happened in Egypt because of the Muslim Brotherhood. In their youth, Coptics and Muslims lived in harmony.

    It's as if a virus has taken over the hearts and minds of a portion of the Islamic community. Others around the world may try to help, but it is, in my opinion, the primary obligation of the sane people in the Muslim community, who I believe are in the majority, to look this evil in the face, call it what it is, and gather their courage to combat it. Denials like those of the Germans after WWII who protested that they had no idea what was going on just will not wash today, not when every other person has a cell phone with which to record what is going on.

    I won't even go into the absolute degradation and humiliation and violence to which women are subjected in some Muslim countries today. Do we really need to catalog the restrictions upon them in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, in Afghanistan under the Taliban, and now in these newly "conquered" areas? Is it as bad as that in countries like Turkey for example? No, but if the growth in radical Islam there continues, how long will that remain the case?

    I am reminded of an interview conducted with the Ayatollah Khomeini by the Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci.

    During her 1979 interview with Ayatollah Khomeini, she addressed him as a "tyrant" and managed to unveil herself from the chador:
    OF- I still have to ask you a lot of things. About the "chador," for example, which I was obliged to wear to come and interview you, and which you impose on Iranian women. [...] I am not only referring to the dress but to what it represents, I mean the apartheid Iranian women have been forced into after the revolution. They cannot study at the university with men, they cannot work with men, they cannot swim in the sea or in a swimming-pool with men. They have to do everything separately, wearing their "chador." By the way, how can you swim wearing a "chador"?


    AK- None of this concerns you, our customs do not concern you. If you don't like the islamic dress you are not obliged to wear it, since it is for young women and respectable ladies.

    OF- This is very kind of you, Imam, since you tell me that, I'm going to immediately rid myself of this stupid medieval rag. There !.[8] She promptly stripped it off.

    Fallaci was way over the top, in my opinion, in some of the things she wrote about Islam, partly because she had a rather histrionic personality, but in this instance, all I can say is "Bravo, Oriana!"

    I hope you take this in the spirit in which it is meant, and not as a broad condemnation of all Muslims or of Islam itself.


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    I made this thread out of anger of hateful things being said on other threads.
    The thing is, that many Muslims are kind people, and I do not like it when you stereotype them all.
    Islam is a religion of peace, and I am a Shia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I know that millions upon millions of Muslims are undoubtedly as saddened and horrified by this as I am. Indeed, I know an Egyptian family, for example, and they are heartbroken over what has happened in Egypt because of the Muslim Brotherhood. In their youth, Coptics and Muslims lived in harmony.

    It's as if a virus has taken over the hearts and minds of a portion of the Islamic community. Others around the world may try to help, but it is, in my opinion, the primary obligation of the sane people in the Muslim community, who I believe are in the majority, to look this evil in the face, call it what it is, and gather their courage to combat it..
    I agree, this is exactly what has to happen to fix the problem of radical Muslims. The moderate Muslims need to wake up and stair the problem in the eye. One thing baffles me in this scenario though. If moderate Muslims are the majority among all Muslims why there are so many strong extremist groups around them? The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and many others. Why extremist mullahs and Madras schools are allowed to brainwash their children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDNA View Post
    Islam is a religion of peace.
    That's what you are taught to believe. Can you support this mantra by real life observation? After all, the actions speak louder and more truthfully than the words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    That's what you are taught to believe. Can you support this mantra by real life observation? After all, the actions speak louder and more truthfully than the words.
    Thousands of Iranian Jews and their descendants owe their lives to a Muslim diplomat in wartime Paris, according to a new book. In The Lion's Shadow tells how Abdol-Hossein Sardari risked everything to help fellow Iranians escape the Nazis.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16190541

    A new exhibition aims to celebrate the role Muslims played in saving Jewish lives during the Holocaust.The Righteous Muslim Exhibition is being launched at the Board of Deputies of British Jews in Bloomsbury, central London.
    Photographs of 70 Muslims who sheltered Jews during World War II will be displayed alongside stories detailing their acts of heroism.
    The exhibition hopes to inspire new research into instances of collaboration between the Muslim and Jewish communities.
    Yad Vashem, Israel's official memorial to victims of the Holocaust, honours nearly 25,000 so-called "righteous persons" who risked their lives to protect the Jewish community during Nazi Germany's reign of terror.
    Some 70 Muslims have recently been added to the list. The exhibition explores their stories.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-22176928

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    Can you elaborate, or share an example? I don't think google knows my religious affiliation, and probably doesn't know yours. Otherwise we both are tracked by many internet services and organizations.
    I bet there are powerful people out there who profile ordinary people by looking at their internet history. That's why school they tell students to watch what they do on the internet because there's hardly any real privacy in the modern world.

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    Although only a small percentage of muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are muslims. And there's no easy way to identify which muslims are apt to commit terrorist acts. I think it really is that simple.

    Perhaps in future, if Bahais or Quakers embrance terrorism and muslims renounce terrorism, attitudes will change. Oh, wait, neither of those things are going to happen, are they? Bahais and Quakers believe in peace and tolerance for others, while many muslims who aren't terrorists nevertheless believe that people who won't convert to islam should be killed. That attitude may be the reason many people hate and fear all muslims. I'm sure that christians were hated and feared by Pagans many centuries ago when christians believed that they had the right to torture and kill anyone who wouldn't convert. But christians have, on the whole, grown up and become more tolerant. When is that going to happen in the moslem world?
    If you don't know much on the subject don't make big claims. I'm not just talking to you I'm talking to everyone, including myself. I doubt any of us know much about Islam, it's history, the current Islamic world, etc. You're simplifying things into being black or white, when in almost all situations there are many shades of grey. You can't simplify Christians in early medieval Europe as people who oppressed pagans and mirror them to modern Muslim extremist groups like ISIS, its more complicated. Plus your throwing out agendas.

    The Muslims I've seen are ordinary people, trying to make a living, etc. I don't see signs of anti-westernism or anything we associate with extremist muslims. I'm probably ignorant though to more extreme ones. Muslims have told me there are some who preach jihad in their Mosques. I don't know though, they may have been deceiving me.

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