Angela
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^^I am getting beyond tired of this Serb/Albanian war. Didn't you guys have enough of this twenty-five years ago?
None of the above post has anything to do with the topic of this thread. The topic is the Pelasgians, or by a reasonable extension, E-V13. All the twisting and turning by the Serb members, even to trying to bring up Cruciani et al 2007, when Cruciani is an author of the present study, is not going to make E-V13 a "foreign" y dna lineage in the Balkans. It would have been intellectually honest and gracious to admit you were wrong about that.
All of you also keep conflating and confusing ydna lineages, autosomal dna and language. You can't understand population genetics and the ethnogenesis of any people until you stop doing that.
We don't know the yDna line of this Vinca sample. Probably there was I2a among them. At the time the sample lived, he was a Neolithic farmer. Some I2a moved to the steppe perhaps, where the autosomal signature might have changed when they became steppe dwellers. The I2a people who lived either in the steppe or in more northern parts of Europe and who might have been picked up in the "Slavic" migrations and then come to the Balkans would have been different yet.
So, you could have three yDna I2a men of related yDna lineages who were very different from one another autosomally as well as in terms of culture.
Nobody is saying that some of the I2a in the Balkans might not have been there continuously since the Mesolithic. The "Slavic" speaking people and the I2a they carried, if any, were not...they were late entrants into the Balkans.
I really can't put it any more simply than that. If you don't see it, you don't.
I must say that I find people's changing positions on these cultures rather extraordinary. The "Old Europe" cultures were all but called "wimpy", "weak" farming cultures with a too female oriented culture who were infinitely inferior to hunter gatherers and steppe people both. Now all of a sudden because they think they can make them look more "WHG" in calculators, they want to "claim" them and their culture.
Amazing.
If you want to pursue this with these kinds of lengthy expositions, please find an appropriate thread. This isn't it.
None of the above post has anything to do with the topic of this thread. The topic is the Pelasgians, or by a reasonable extension, E-V13. All the twisting and turning by the Serb members, even to trying to bring up Cruciani et al 2007, when Cruciani is an author of the present study, is not going to make E-V13 a "foreign" y dna lineage in the Balkans. It would have been intellectually honest and gracious to admit you were wrong about that.
All of you also keep conflating and confusing ydna lineages, autosomal dna and language. You can't understand population genetics and the ethnogenesis of any people until you stop doing that.
We don't know the yDna line of this Vinca sample. Probably there was I2a among them. At the time the sample lived, he was a Neolithic farmer. Some I2a moved to the steppe perhaps, where the autosomal signature might have changed when they became steppe dwellers. The I2a people who lived either in the steppe or in more northern parts of Europe and who might have been picked up in the "Slavic" migrations and then come to the Balkans would have been different yet.
So, you could have three yDna I2a men of related yDna lineages who were very different from one another autosomally as well as in terms of culture.
Nobody is saying that some of the I2a in the Balkans might not have been there continuously since the Mesolithic. The "Slavic" speaking people and the I2a they carried, if any, were not...they were late entrants into the Balkans.
I really can't put it any more simply than that. If you don't see it, you don't.
I must say that I find people's changing positions on these cultures rather extraordinary. The "Old Europe" cultures were all but called "wimpy", "weak" farming cultures with a too female oriented culture who were infinitely inferior to hunter gatherers and steppe people both. Now all of a sudden because they think they can make them look more "WHG" in calculators, they want to "claim" them and their culture.
Amazing.
If you want to pursue this with these kinds of lengthy expositions, please find an appropriate thread. This isn't it.