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- Messages
- 249
- Reaction score
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- Location
- Bărăgan
- Ethnic group
- Thraco-Roman
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- Argeș(~SER+MAC)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- Walati(Vlachs)
Similarities inevitably occur due to the ability of cultures to
easily expand,to influence one another,but in order to certify a
certain correlation,you have to add the facts that supports it.
Living isolated in the mountains,the Gorals had probably integrated
their original Vlach elements even into the Polish dances,developing
a style of their own,like the other North-Carpathian groups did.
This is the story of two shepherds that have met in an exposition
from Torino,the Pole,hearing that his companion is Romanian,said
to him that he is of Vlach origin too.They came up with a project,to
reconstruct the Vlach migration to Northern Carpathians.
The Polish hinghlanders couldn't retain their ancestral
way of living(shepherdry)without preserving other traditions too.
To summarize,I don't care if the Polish dance is just a Medieval
pan-European phenomenon,but I'm very interested of Goral print
in it,it has to be one,since they had ultimately preserved non-Polish/non-
Slovakian dances(hora,for instance,a traditional Romanian circle dance).
http://www.redykkarpacki.pl/index.php?menu=transhumance&id=&tyt=UKRAINA UCRAINE&j=ENG
http://www.romania-insider.com/roma...thians-in-trashumance-revival-project/106890/
It is very likely that these mountaineers had preserved(judging from people's faces)
not only traditions,but also genes for their agitated kingdom.
EDIT:
"Gorals have their distinctive music and the intricate quick step dance that is performed to this day."
http://www.shsnepa.org/Folktales and Legends/History Tales/Who are the Gorals.htm
EDIT2:
"Southern Poland features the culture of the Gorals (Polish highlanders). These dances were brought to this mountain areas with Vlach settlers in the 17th century. Very similar versions can be found at the Gorols inSlovakia and in Czech Republic. The rhythm of their music is different for the otherwise duple or triple-meter of the lowlands."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_folk_dances
EDIT3:
"The dynamic of this custom raises the issue ofthe significance and importance of the creative act at the level of the reconstructionof male dance, which was put into circulation by the nowadays Goral tradition or ancientVlach basic motifs, slightly modified, together with several Gorals from Polandand the Vlachs folkloric groups from Slovakia and Czech Republic in a well know annualfestival named Troje Meze that starts in the last week of June or in the first weekof July"
"During 1970-1999 we observed a general scientific and cultural interest that doubledby financial efforts concerning collecting and publishing Polish Mountaineersfolklore, because they had published almost 73 traditional musical albums by Górals
within the Podhale, Beskids and Silesia counties, and between these albums we havefound 16 albums of traditional choreology.We want to underline the several projects made by the Institute of Archaeologyand Ethnology from Kraków and of course all the seminars dedicated to Carpathianethnology, because scientific interest is still actual in the Academic Polish milieu.In all of these studies published in the last few years in Poland we have discoveredclues, scientific documents, opinions that lead us to a shyness but proper acceptanceof historic realities that obviously show the presence and ethno-cultural contributionsof Vlach shepherds to the completion of the Central European cultural spirit of ourCarpathian neighbours"
https://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi27Kjeo4fNAhUH2hoKHV4rBZgQFghOMAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpressto.amu.edu.pl%2Findex.php%2Fbp%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3900%2F4045&usg=AFQjCNEKtLsnJjLQLiWfDKLQ9ij-GWF8SA
EDIT4:
Notable people[edit]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorals
"It is for the first time that Divine Providence offered me the possibility to make an apostolic journey to a country predominantly orthodox", said Pope John Paul II
http://www.agerpres.ro/english/2014...pope-john-paul-ii-s-visit-to-romania-08-33-07
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/08/w...isits-an-orthodox-country.html?pagewanted=all
Probabil că familia noastră are rădăcini valahe, "
"Our family probably has Vlach roots"
"His grand-grandfather was some sort of mayor,but he was a judge too,applying the Ancient Law(=Vlach Law)"
,Franciszek Wojtyla,John Paul's nephew
"It is true that Pope's grand-grandfather was mayor who applied the law to the Vlach community,
but noone can certify the Vlach origin of his family, because some things are lost in history."(the priest from Wojtyla's place of origin.)
http://www.formula-as.ro/2013/1095/societate-37/vlahul-lui-dumnezeu-papa-ioan-paul-al-ii-lea-17108
EDIT5:
I hope you didn't interpret this post too.
easily expand,to influence one another,but in order to certify a
certain correlation,you have to add the facts that supports it.
Living isolated in the mountains,the Gorals had probably integrated
their original Vlach elements even into the Polish dances,developing
a style of their own,like the other North-Carpathian groups did.
This is the story of two shepherds that have met in an exposition
from Torino,the Pole,hearing that his companion is Romanian,said
to him that he is of Vlach origin too.They came up with a project,to
reconstruct the Vlach migration to Northern Carpathians.
The Polish hinghlanders couldn't retain their ancestral
way of living(shepherdry)without preserving other traditions too.
To summarize,I don't care if the Polish dance is just a Medieval
pan-European phenomenon,but I'm very interested of Goral print
in it,it has to be one,since they had ultimately preserved non-Polish/non-
Slovakian dances(hora,for instance,a traditional Romanian circle dance).
http://www.redykkarpacki.pl/index.php?menu=transhumance&id=&tyt=UKRAINA UCRAINE&j=ENG
http://www.romania-insider.com/roma...thians-in-trashumance-revival-project/106890/
It is very likely that these mountaineers had preserved(judging from people's faces)
not only traditions,but also genes for their agitated kingdom.
EDIT:
"Gorals have their distinctive music and the intricate quick step dance that is performed to this day."
http://www.shsnepa.org/Folktales and Legends/History Tales/Who are the Gorals.htm
EDIT2:
"Southern Poland features the culture of the Gorals (Polish highlanders). These dances were brought to this mountain areas with Vlach settlers in the 17th century. Very similar versions can be found at the Gorols inSlovakia and in Czech Republic. The rhythm of their music is different for the otherwise duple or triple-meter of the lowlands."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_folk_dances
EDIT3:
"The dynamic of this custom raises the issue ofthe significance and importance of the creative act at the level of the reconstructionof male dance, which was put into circulation by the nowadays Goral tradition or ancientVlach basic motifs, slightly modified, together with several Gorals from Polandand the Vlachs folkloric groups from Slovakia and Czech Republic in a well know annualfestival named Troje Meze that starts in the last week of June or in the first weekof July"
"During 1970-1999 we observed a general scientific and cultural interest that doubledby financial efforts concerning collecting and publishing Polish Mountaineersfolklore, because they had published almost 73 traditional musical albums by Górals
within the Podhale, Beskids and Silesia counties, and between these albums we havefound 16 albums of traditional choreology.We want to underline the several projects made by the Institute of Archaeologyand Ethnology from Kraków and of course all the seminars dedicated to Carpathianethnology, because scientific interest is still actual in the Academic Polish milieu.In all of these studies published in the last few years in Poland we have discoveredclues, scientific documents, opinions that lead us to a shyness but proper acceptanceof historic realities that obviously show the presence and ethno-cultural contributionsof Vlach shepherds to the completion of the Central European cultural spirit of ourCarpathian neighbours"
https://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi27Kjeo4fNAhUH2hoKHV4rBZgQFghOMAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpressto.amu.edu.pl%2Findex.php%2Fbp%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3900%2F4045&usg=AFQjCNEKtLsnJjLQLiWfDKLQ9ij-GWF8SA
EDIT4:
Notable people[edit]
- John Paul II (Karol Józef Wojtyła) – Pope, Polish-born
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorals
"It is for the first time that Divine Providence offered me the possibility to make an apostolic journey to a country predominantly orthodox", said Pope John Paul II
http://www.agerpres.ro/english/2014...pope-john-paul-ii-s-visit-to-romania-08-33-07
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/08/w...isits-an-orthodox-country.html?pagewanted=all
Probabil că familia noastră are rădăcini valahe, "
"Our family probably has Vlach roots"
"His grand-grandfather was some sort of mayor,but he was a judge too,applying the Ancient Law(=Vlach Law)"
,Franciszek Wojtyla,John Paul's nephew
"It is true that Pope's grand-grandfather was mayor who applied the law to the Vlach community,
but noone can certify the Vlach origin of his family, because some things are lost in history."(the priest from Wojtyla's place of origin.)
http://www.formula-as.ro/2013/1095/societate-37/vlahul-lui-dumnezeu-papa-ioan-paul-al-ii-lea-17108
EDIT5:
I hope you didn't interpret this post too.
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