Balkanian disagreements.

**Arban Hoti** · 29-11-15, 18:52

Originally Posted by ukaj

o vlla. J is seen alot in hoti tribes is not arab it is a med genetic marker coastal more so

Brother it is possible that those who are J in Hoti or where ever are not real Arbanians , i did this , i asked many Arbanians in Kosovo 'what tribe are you from' some answer very quickly , but some think for a second and than say that they are Krasniq .Thats why i said 'maybe i'm not Arbanian' at least till i know better , and if i find out that i'm not i will still love the Arbanians but i will not say that i'm one of them.

**Skerdilaidas** · 29-11-15, 21:18

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

Brother it is possible that those who are J in Hoti or where ever are not real Arbanians , i did this , i asked many Arbanians in Kosovo 'what tribe are you from' some answer very quickly , but some think for a second and than say that they are Krasniq .Thats why i said 'maybe i'm not Arbanian' at least till i know better , and if i find out that i'm not i will still love the Arbanians but i will not say that i'm one of them.

Stop talking non sense! Mods should not allow your verbal diarrhea about Albanians in this forum! Once again, you are not Albanian but a South Slav. How many times do I have to say this to you?? Hoti is all J2b2-L283, two of their main brotherhoods, Gojcaj and Gjelaj, have tested as such:https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results

If you are Hoti, then please tell me which brotherhood you belong to, the place you come from, and I will tell you if you indeed are a real Hoti.

**Arban Hoti** · 30-11-15, 15:23

I'm from Gollak region , i was told that we are Hot since childhood , but i don't know anything about brotherhood , if you had a brain you would be able to understand that this system of brotherhood means that many Hoti's are not the same blood , and if you have any arguments please feel free to adviose and correct me , but stop 'me leh si qen o zdral'.

**Skerdilaidas** · 30-11-15, 16:49

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

I'm from Gollak region , i was told that we are Hot since childhood , but i don't know anything about brotherhood , if you had a brain you would be able to understand that this system of brotherhood means that many Hoti's are not the same blood , and if you have any arguments please feel free to adviose and correct me , but stop 'me leh si qen o zdral'.

Which village? Not true, there are two Hoti's, the new and old which are not related by blood. Hoti qe gjendet ne Kosove normal qe i ka hup traditat se cilit Hoti dhe vllaznie i perkasin, te riut apo te vjetrit. Per me leh si qen, po leh ti ktu qe shkruan marrina. Tregoma katunin dhe une te tregoj cilat fise jan aty.

**Arban Hoti** · 30-11-15, 20:50

Originally Posted by Skerdilaidas

Which village? Not true, there are two Hoti's, the new and old which are not related by blood. Hoti qe gjendet ne Kosove normal qe i ka hup traditat se cilit Hoti dhe vllaznie i perkasin, te riut apo te vjetrit. Per me leh si qen, po leh ti ktu qe shkruan marrina. Tregoma katunin dhe une te tregoj cilat fise jan aty.

Medvegj katuni Svirrc , t'thash po leh sepse po shan , ski nevoj me ofendu , t'thash sdisa her nese sheh nej gabim tregom , per ket arsye osht forumi , ti kurr nuk um tregove ku gabova , veq shajte pa arsye , pra fol bir argument edhe e pranoj edhe kerkoj falje / terheqna , po veq me sha pa dhan as ni arsye ksaj i thom me leh.

**Skerdilaidas** · 01-12-15, 17:58

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

Medvegj katuni Svirrc , t'thash po leh sepse po shan , ski nevoj me ofendu , t'thash sdisa her nese sheh nej gabim tregom , per ket arsye osht forumi , ti kurr nuk um tregove ku gabova , veq shajte pa arsye , pra fol bir argument edhe e pranoj edhe kerkoj falje / terheqna , po veq me sha pa dhan as ni arsye ksaj i thom me leh.

Nejse nuk kam ndonje info per svirrc, menova qe i gollakut je, ashtu si the. Une nuk shava, por te thash qe nuk je shqiptar sepse fol marrina si me ka shka. Ku e merr ket informat qe na jem te perzim 50/50 me popullata te lindjes se mesme, dhe ne cka bazohesh ti qe thu jemi te perzim? Ta tregoj une qe ne baz te gjenetikes jemi popullata me homogjene ne Evrop.

**Arban Hoti** · 01-12-15, 19:32

Originally Posted by Skerdilaidas

Nejse nuk kam ndonje info per svirrc, menova qe i gollakut je, ashtu si the. Une nuk shava, por te thash qe nuk je shqiptar sepse fol marrina si me ka shka. Ku e merr ket informat qe na jem te perzim 50/50 me popullata te lindjes se mesme, dhe ne cka bazohesh ti qe thu jemi te perzim? Ta tregoj une qe ne baz te gjenetikes jemi popullata me homogjene ne Evrop.

I didn't say we were 50/50 mixed , i said that sometimes when i watch our people i get that impression ,but i also said that other times i think we are 70/80 % pure , than i said that i'm not sure and that there is a need for e serious study , i had serious problems to come to this conclusion , but here we are , now i learned some things , i have such persons in my own family , they are Semitic in look and the most interesting thing about them is that they don't want to hear about Shqiptari , i talked to them about Arbanian history and they told me 'stop talking about this' they just don't care , all they care about is making money , now i must say they are a part of my family and i love them , BUT i cant call them Arbanian and i cant count on them about Arbanian interests , the same thing you can see with Hashim Thaqi , he doesn't look Arbanian/Arian and look at his deeds , all he wants is money ,i know i sound crazy but i truly think the Semitic people are Created for the desert region and its somehow in their blood/DNA to act and to live with this desert behavior ,in the desert you must be greedy/selfish because the environment demands it , there is not much food and water in the desert , look at the Jashari (j-ashAR) family , all white Arbanian looking , and what were and are their deeds , they were RICH in the time of war and they sacrificed everything they had for their people , and after the war they never got involved in politics where the money is.We are having serious problems with these non Arbanians who call themselves as such .

**Arban Hoti** · 01-12-15, 19:43

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**LABERIA** · 01-12-15, 21:07

Leri keto muhabete vari karin per arban alban etc. Per gjerat qe poston duhet qe te keshe nje baze shkencore. Sepse ndryshe behemi qesharak si shqiptare.

**Maleth** · 01-12-15, 21:38

Originally Posted by LABERIA

Leri keto muhabete vari karin per arban alban etc. Per gjerat qe poston duhet qe te keshe nje baze shkencore. Sepse ndryshe behemi qesharak si shqiptare.

Please write in English as per forum rules and regulations otherwise we will have another Babylon.

**Skerdilaidas** · 01-12-15, 21:39

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

I didn't say we were 50/50 mixed , i said that sometimes when i watch our people i get that impression ,but i also said that other times i think we are 70/80 % pure , than i said that i'm not sure and that there is a need for e serious study , i had serious problems to come to this conclusion , but here we are , now i learned some things , i have such persons in my own family , they are Semitic in look and the most interesting thing about them is that they don't want to hear about Shqiptari , i talked to them about Arbanian history and they told me 'stop talking about this' they just don't care , all they care about is making money , now i must say they are a part of my family and i love them , BUT i cant call them Arbanian and i cant count on them about Arbanian interests , the same thing you can see with Hashim Thaqi , he doesn't look Arbanian/Arian and look at his deeds , all he wants is money ,i know i sound crazy but i truly think the Semitic people are Created for the desert region and its somehow in their blood/DNA to act and to live with this desert behavior ,in the desert you must be greedy/selfish because the environment demands it , there is not much food and water in the desert , look at the Jashari (j-ashAR) family , all white Arbanian looking , and what were and are their deeds , they were RICH in the time of war and they sacrificed everything they had for their people , and after the war they never got involved in politics where the money is.We are having serious problems with these non Arbanians who call themselves as such .

This thread is regarding E-V13, so let's stick to the topic. I only responded to you because you just keep rambling about the same thing in all topics, without even understanding the basic of the topic at hand. On top of that, now you are also stereotyping and making racist remarks. Thaqi definitely doesn't look like your typical Albanian, but he doesn't look middle eastern either. Btw, his ancestors were Serbs, and perhaps Serbs mixed with gypsies. Tatomir Vukanovic recorded his family as such in 1930.

**Arban Hoti** · 01-12-15, 22:44

**Skerdilaidas** · 02-12-15, 02:22

What a f.....

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 02:57

Skerdi... to see what i see you must meditate , you must do meditation , me-dit in Arb means to know At means father and ion means our,so Me-Dit-At-Ion means "to know our father(s)' At Et Etnos , i'm not an Patriot , Pa At Ri Ot means 'without a father refather' meaning we don't have a Pater/father so we must make a new one , neither am i a Nationalist , the Patriots make the Nation , Na means we At father ion ours , Na-At-ion means 'we are our own father' , so i don't have the problems you have , i know my father.
In all these years i learned one thing , all the time our enemies accuse us of something its ALWAYS a thing that they are guilty off ,you Skerdi accused me of not being Arbanian and than you told me about Thaqi ....his ancestors were Serbs, and perhaps Serbs mixed with gypsies. Tatomir Vukanovic recorded his family as such in 1930 . If you would be an Arbanian you would never say this because of the shame , and you would never come to the point to do a research about him being Arbanian or not , and in the same time you accused me of being a racist because i mentioned him possibly not being Arb,so you accused me for something that you yourself did , and here it comes , you said ...This thread is regarding E-V13...and making racist remarks. Let me tell you something if you are able to understand , talking about E-v13 means talking about Race , what do you think we are talking about here , Race comes from Arb tongue , Rras means thrust (push (something or someone) suddenly or violently in the specified direction) and rrasa we say to those pieces of stone that we push into the ground side by side one by one to make a path a street or a road , even Street Shtrit means Stretched Road Rat means laying , so a Race is the path/road/street of people who came one after another and who formed an Ethnicity , same blood means same forefathers.

**Skerdilaidas** · 02-12-15, 04:51

I accused you for making racist remarks towards middle east, not Thaqi. I only mentioned his ancestry, nothing wrong or racist about it. We have an old saying that goes like "Blood is thicker then water", so going back to you when you questioned his behaviours towards our country, he definitely fits the bill. That is the reason why I brought up his ancestry, nothing shameful about it. Why I researched his family? Not just his but I research most Albanians from Kosova because of our Albanian Bloodlines project, more extensively though the Drenica region because that is where I come from (He happens to be from my region). Some people that test and don't remember their Clans, just by their last name and village where they comes from we can find which Clans they belong to (younger generations now days are forgetting their traditions, and many don't know their Clans, sadly). There was some good work done in this regard early 20th century by both groups, Serbs and Albanians. Tatomir though is not my favourite, to an extent I consider him a charlatan, but he is correct on some cases, hence I reference him once in a while.

E-V13 pre-dates all indo-European languages in the peninsula, so it's futile to throw such arguments. Also, Albanians don't use the term "Arbanian", us Ghegs use Arben, Tosks Arber, so please use the proper term so I might consider reading your linguistic arguments that you keep throwing around.

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 17:15

I explained that the name is Ar , and the Arbanian tongue has many ways to say 'made make' , Arb Arba Arbo means made from Ar , Arban Arben Arbon means Ar made them , Arbi means arisen from Ar , Arbion/Albion means our Arb , Arberesh means Arber esh-t , b-Arbarian means Arb Ar jan , kArbanoi means Arban and this name was used to describe the native population of Balkan when the greek/Danoi first came , later they called us bArbar , in north Africa the white ppl are called Berber the root is b-Arber , Saracen means S-Ar a cen qen ken meaning the were Ar once , the old Europeans knew about this thats why they called them like this , Arab means Ar is Ab bab the father , Alban is the latin manipulation one of the biggest in human history , Arvan the greeks turn every B to V , so the people living in so called grece since the danoi came are the Arbanoi Arbanites and Arbanians in English spelling , but the name is Ar Arb Arban , look at this complex word .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albracca
i believe it is Arb not Alb and Racca/ka means it fell , Arb has fallen ,Bukhara means Bukura like Bucurest the Beautiful one, this is what i'm talking about , the people who went there were E ppl and later they were conquered by the R/J ppl in a big war in a world war.
p.s when you said serb you wrote the name with a big S and when you said Gypsie you wrote it with a small g , what does this mean i wonder !!!

**LeBrok** · 02-12-15, 17:23

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

I explained that the name is Ar , and the Arbanian tongue has many ways to say 'made make' , Arb Arba Arbo means made from Ar , Arban Arben Arbon means Ar made them , Arbi means arisen from Ar , Arbion/Albion means our Arb , Arberesh means Arber esh-t , b-Arbarian means Arb Ar jan , kArbanoi means Arban and this name was used to describe the native population of Balkan when the greek/Danoi first came , later they called us bArbar , in north Africa the white ppl are called Berber the root is b-Arber , Saracen means S-Ar a cen qen ken meaning the were Ar once , the old Europeans knew about this thats why they called them like this , Arab means Ar is Ab bab the father , Alban is the latin manipulation one of the biggest in human history , Arvan the greeks turn every B to V , so the people living in so called grece since the danoi came are the Arbanoi Arbanites and Arbanians in English spelling , but the name is Ar Arb Arban , look at this complex word .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albracca
i believe it is Arb not Alb and Racca/ka means it fell , Arb has fallen ,Bukhara means Bukura like Bucurest the Beautiful one, this is what i'm talking about , the people who went there were E ppl and later they were conquered by the R/J ppl in a big war in a world war.
p.s when you said serb you wrote the name with a big S and when you said Gypsie you wrote it with a small g , what does this mean i wonder !!!

At you mentioned, you only believe in it. Keep in mind that believes easily can be wrong.
To my disliking, you make too liberal connections with words and their meanings. It is based on what you really like to see and believe, on your feelings, and not how it really is.

**LABERIA** · 02-12-15, 19:28

Originally Posted by LeBrok

At you mentioned, you only believe in it. Keep in mind that believes easily can be wrong.
To my disliking, you make too liberal connections with words and their meanings. It is based on what you really like to see and believe, on your feelings, and not how it really is.

LeBrok, belive me are all BS. Nobody in Albania believe in this things. Never heard before. Overfloading an forum without any scientific reference is just stupidity.

**Sile** · 02-12-15, 19:51

Originally Posted by Arban Hoti

I explained that the name is Ar , and the Arbanian tongue has many ways to say 'made make' , Arb Arba Arbo means made from Ar , Arban Arben Arbon means Ar made them , Arbi means arisen from Ar , Arbion/Albion means our Arb , Arberesh means Arber esh-t , b-Arbarian means Arb Ar jan , kArbanoi means Arban and this name was used to describe the native population of Balkan when the greek/Danoi first came , later they called us bArbar , in north Africa the white ppl are called Berber the root is b-Arber , Saracen means S-Ar a cen qen ken meaning the were Ar once , the old Europeans knew about this thats why they called them like this , Arab means Ar is Ab bab the father , Alban is the latin manipulation one of the biggest in human history , Arvan the greeks turn every B to V , so the people living in so called grece since the danoi came are the Arbanoi Arbanites and Arbanians in English spelling , but the name is Ar Arb Arban , look at this complex word .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albracca
i believe it is Arb not Alb and Racca/ka means it fell , Arb has fallen ,Bukhara means Bukura like Bucurest the Beautiful one, this is what i'm talking about , the people who went there were E ppl and later they were conquered by the R/J ppl in a big war in a world war.
p.s when you said serb you wrote the name with a big S and when you said Gypsie you wrote it with a small g , what does this mean i wonder !!!

It seems you have something here in regards to all of your posts

Let me ask...........would the Tosk and Gheg show similarities in your analysis, that is........... are these 2 dialects just a union of different "tribes" to create one nation.

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 21:19

Originally Posted by LeBrok

At you mentioned, you only believe in it. Keep in mind that believes easily can be wrong.
To my disliking, you make too liberal connections with words and their meanings. It is based on what you really like to see and believe, on your feelings, and not how it really is.

Let me try to explain what is happening , one example that i can bring is this , in all history books in Europe including Albania and everywhere online the name of our people who conquered many places is Dardan Dardania Dardanians a.k.a Troyans , now just recently i found out that the name is in reality T'Arët tanë/Tartan meaning our Arians our golden ones our elite , now this is nowhere in books not in Albanian institutions just nowhere , but it is in holywood https://youtu.be/uFHehn0UOLU now remember that Tartan is the same as Dardan and remember that the traditional dress of Scotland is called Tartan and they called themselves Alban , again , where the Arbanians live the ancient people were called Dardan but only in books their real name was Tartan , and in Scotland we find the name of their traditional dress Tartan and they were called Albans , and according to this the Scots were from the Boyars who came from asia , before that they came from Dardania/Tartania
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Boyar_(caste)
http://boyars.weebly.com/boyar-histo...-scotland.html
Now look at this , the Boyars/Bujar came from the Kirat people Kir is a name and AT means father , now we see that when the Sea people/Philistines went to the Levant they were called Arba , and the city that they build was called Kiryath Arba , we cant deny this , this means that from the Balkan and Asia minor these Arba ppl went to Africa Levant all mesopotamia till india , they carry the same names the same tongue and even the same symbols , the double headed eagle . https://youtu.be/wZezkcUKG7s
i cant deny all this evidence.

**LABERIA** · 02-12-15, 21:28

We don`t want a Deretic in albanian version.

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 21:32

LeBrok , according to this i conclude that the or many Europeans spoke Arbanian before the dark ages , thats why i started to look into the European languages words , what bothers me is not ancient words , but new one , like this , in Arb the word for 'mountain' is Mal , the root of this word is Ma which means to hold , L stands for kinds of things , because in ancient times in the mountain you got the wood stone meat fruits etc , from Mal a new Arb word came to describe the goods/retails and the word is Mall , now just in modern times the Mall 'retail house' was invented , and the explanation that they give is that it comes from an company 'pall mall' but where did this company take this word and how do you name a big thing of your culture from a company name , i say no , they took this word because America was founded in Boston Albany if i'm not mistaken , and i have reason to think/believe that the elite of Europe and America still speak Arbanian .

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 21:43

Originally Posted by Sile

It seems you have something here in regards to all of your posts

Let me ask...........would the Tosk and Gheg show similarities in your analysis, that is........... are these 2 dialects just a union of different "tribes" to create one nation.

maybe you don't know but the tosk used to speak gheg , many of them at least , this greek history professor says that even in greece there were ghegs . https://youtu.be/c0mMTwLn3mA

**Skerdilaidas** · 02-12-15, 21:57

Originally Posted by LABERIA

We don`t want a Deretic in albanian version.

He is worse. I think he needs to take his pills lol

**Arban Hoti** · 02-12-15, 22:05

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What does this mean ?

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