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    Quote Originally Posted by Милан М. View Post
    When Albanians are first mentioned Roman empire was long gone,Byzantine in their end,first mentioned in the 12th century,don't know what people dream about here,as for the Ottomans indeed they had some pasha's of Arbanas origin.
    Yes, the king of Egypt was an Albanian pasha who rebelled against the ottomans and became the king of Egypt. All the serious scholars agreed about the Hyllirians- Albanian continuity . Of course except some Serb and Russian nationalist scholars. Albanians were first mentioned at the second century ad (150ad ) on the same territory were they live today. They were one of too many Hyllirian tribes of that time. Read more before claiming stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Милан М. View Post
    The territory of Albania in the Middle Ages most of the time was under either Serb or Bulgar domination,in 1912 entire Albania was occupied by Serb troops and annexed,later Austro-Hungarians gave ultimatum on the Serbs if they don't retreat they will attack them,some others also supported Albanian country.That's how Albania was created for first time.You spread all over the place because of Ottoman empire and large part of you were Muslims,on Christians were made exodus after every rebelion,there were 2 great Serb migrations out of Ottoman empire,let alone others,later populated by Muslims,accept that fact.
    Serb troops in Durres,Greetings from the Serbian coast say the picture.Why Albanians think they are Illyrians and best soldiers etrified: Others don't fight your wars rather they make colonies.

    Anyway wars brought nothing good to anyone in Europe,let alone Balkans which happened more often,which is full with nationalism can be seen all over this Eupedia,most of the time Balkan issues,while people don't realize most of Balkans countries are irrelevant right now.It is important geo politicaly but the countries not at all.
    Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war
    You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

    But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -RIFFIAN- View Post
    The first Moroccans have migrated to Europe have immigrated by request of the own European countries, Germany, France mainly after WWII.
    I didn't mention Morocco, and I'm very glad that in Morocco is better situation.

    But you can see every day how many migrants enter in Europe from Africa and Western Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    But you can see every day how many migrants enter in Europe from Africa and Western Asia.
    You can thing it as human diffusion and the only solution of it is increasing life quality all around the world.

    How can accuse Syrians, world didn't create no fly-zone for them.

    and stop arm trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by -RIFFIAN- View Post
    Western-style democracy where women rule,Muslims do not want,democracy in general is a Jewish invention, there is no a Jewish man who is not driven by his wife,plus too many westeners,women in the west have 1000pc rights,men have almost no rights,this is called equality in the west

    No Thanks,we d'ont need this democracy
    First time I hear that western democracy is a women ruling state. In a real democracy every one has equal rights. I didn't know that democracy was a Jewish invention. George Washington was not a Jewish. Equal rights for all, is the clue to democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    Uh, no, Democracy was invented by the Greeks, and religious Jewish society is as male controlled and as dictatorial as the typical Muslim society.

    P.S if the Muslims don't want to live in a Democratic society, then why do you keep coming to Europe? Moroccans seem to come mainly to the Netherlands and Belgium, and if most of them are as yourself, why do they come? Because let's face it, the typical Dutchman could live an entire life without immigrants flooding his street.
    He is not representing here all the Muslims. The situation in Muslim will change soon or later

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    Quote Originally Posted by -RIFFIAN- View Post
    Muslims prefer to have their own style of democracy, not that who have the West,(namely Western democracy with several exceptions) I think we are already enjoying in several Arab and Muslim countries,we can begin from Turkey,Morocco, UAE, Tunisia etc ...

    100pc Western democracy is impossible to apply in Muslim societies, simply because we are different,profoundly different.
    Do you ever read history? Not always the women and the black people were allowed to vote. There was a time during the course of democracy throughout the Western countries when only the white males were allowed to vote. The democracy is a process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    You do realise , that judism, christians and muslim pray to the same God , do you realise this?

    -with the founding of muslim ~400AD there was no new GOD created

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    These 3 religions ( judism, christians and muslim ) got together and decided that every other religion in the world apart from theirs, is a pagan religion, but this theory is only to benefit themselves, its called Greed. The only possibility is that GOD ( the same that judism, christians and muslim pray to ) was around prior to these 3 (judism, christians and muslim) and that these "pagan " religions also prayed to the same GOD ..............it makes no other logical sense to have any other format UNLESS you think their is more than one GOD.
    So which is it for muslims, the same GOD or a new GOD?
    I never said that there are different Gods. God had sent prophets since the first times of human kind. All the pagan religions generally are related with the Abraham's religions. I think Zeus includes either. During the course of history the pagan religions were deformed from the first way of worshiping the God . That's why are called pagans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    I told him similar, but no answer. If Europe is not good for them why their migrants mostly trying to settle in Europe. Why they do not go to Muslim countries where is the same culture and customs.
    Stop judging people as a group. They are individuals. Muslims are not a homogeneous group of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    You know you something passed over. What about jizya? It is per capita tax for Christians and Jews who live in Islamic state; about more things on another time.
    What about "sadaka" and other taxes that Muslims were forced to pay to the state. There are some taxes that were paid only by the Muslims. At least this is a medieval history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Except when your close friend was killing civilians and policeman of different ethnicity.
    He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

    But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.
    You need to read about the treaty of Bucharest, and other treaties which followed the Russian- Turkish wars. The only reason why Serbia had a larger territory than Albania was because of the intervention of Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

    But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.
    What about Macedonia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    You can thing it as human diffusion and the only solution of it is increasing life quality all around the world.

    How can accuse Syrians, world didn't create no fly-zone for them.

    and stop arm trade
    It was the Russian intervention that in middle east is not a no fly zone, unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic
    He was a Muslim terrorist coming here to kill Christians. That's what he was.

    We all know that Vatican and CIA propaganda built you a fault excuse around Milosevic to go round and kill Orthodox and destroy monasteries. If Milosevich wanted Kosovo by force he could have cleansed it in 1990 in a week without a single crime. Don't give that s*it to me. It's like saying that USA army couldn't handle Mexican immigrants in Texas, but had to battle them for 10 years. The only problem Yugoslavs had was that Milosevic was a peaceful man and wanted reintegration of Albanians into normal European society, without acknowledging their real goals. As far as my knowledge goes about alternative options in the parliament of Serbia, if anyone else was the head of the state, today would probably be no Albanians on Kosovo. Only one who didn't care for religion was a Milosevic as an ideological communist, and he was your savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    The only problem Yugoslavs had was that Milosevic was a peaceful man and wantedof Albanians into normal European society, without acknowledging their real goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    What about "sadaka" and other taxes that Muslims were forced to pay to the state. There are some taxes that were paid only by the Muslims. At least this is a medieval history.
    As good Muslim you use taqiyya. But in today's time of Internet even people in Amazonia know for it. Jizya is obligatory upon dihimmis, it is mandated by the Quran and the Hadits.
    Last edited by Garrick; 07-08-15 at 21:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    You need to read about the treaty of Bucharest, and other treaties which followed the Russian- Turkish wars. The only reason why Serbia had a larger territory than Albania was because of the intervention of Russia
    You don't know history.

    Albanians were main Turkish allies in the Balkans. Muslim Albanian pashas, begs, fighters were active participants against Balkan Christians, and not only Balkan. For example attacker on the Vienna, Kara Mustafa Pasha was ethnic Albanian, but he and his troops 150,000 had hard defeat, big winner were Polish king John III Sobieski and Vienna's defenders.

    Russia was against Serbia in II Balkan war, and in the side of Bulgaria. According plans Bulgaria wanted Vardar's Macedonia, even any Albanian territories and Aegean sea. Greece and Serbia were the only allies, but Greek/Serbian forces were prepared and more motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic
    so now except Moschopolis you admit that Aromani population exists also elsewhere in Albania????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war
    When Balkanic countries started to liberated, you wanted and served Ottoman empire, from Orlov's revolt at 1700 till 1912 you were and suported ottomans,
    as true children of Ballaban pasha.
    even at 1912 many in Albania supported the WEST TURKEY state,
    it was K Vlore who studied in Greece and wrote many in his newspaper, that turn you to Albanians,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    I never said that there are different Gods. God had sent prophets since the first times of human kind. All the pagan religions generally are related with the Abraham's religions. I think Zeus includes either. During the course of history the pagan religions were deformed from the first way of worshiping the God . That's why are called pagans.
    to conclude then , the ancient stone-age people, the ancient egyptians, greeks, romans, norse etc etc prayed to the same God as we do today................so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?............it must logically be only some religious leader fascist mentality , don't you agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    As good Muslim you use taqiyya.
    Taqiyya isn't a problem.
    Every one who knows the Bible, will see very well, that Koran is a joke... and a mass...
    Hadiths... they were produced in such large numbers, that we can recreate every minute of the life of Mohammed...
    So... obvious is, that Islam is fabricate, and it wasn't even done to cleverly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    to conclude then , the ancient stone-age people, the ancient egyptians, greeks, romans, norse etc etc prayed to the same God as we do today................so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?............it must logically be only some religious leader fascist mentality , don't you agree!
    Not at all... even if at the beginning everyone was praing to the same God, after many centuries people
    create their own traditions, customs, myths based on their own imagination, and do not do, what is right
    and godly. So... every pagan religion must be elimitane as a fraud, because they teach bad and sometimes
    awefull things, and never were able to create a free and developed civilisation.

    Here is a small probe of pagan society: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...ed-to-European

    Very interesting thread.

    If you think that everything is the same, I advice you to live there or maybe in aztec-maya times... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Yes, the king of Egypt was an Albanian pasha who rebelled against the ottomans and became the king of Egypt. All the serious scholars agreed about the Hyllirians- Albanian continuity . Of course except some Serb and Russian nationalist scholars. Albanians were first mentioned at the second century ad (150ad ) on the same territory were they live today. They were one of too many Hyllirian tribes of that time. Read more before claiming stuff.
    Albanians were mentioned by Maximus of Moesia in the Getan tribes, in Romania
    Germidava was a Getan colony,

    there is no continue among Illyrians and Albanians

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