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Last edited by LeBrok; 01-11-14 at 16:34.
Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.
No, they don't. They have created a small country who aspires to join Europe and Nato.Originally Posted by Aberdeen
Contrary to Serbia who celebrated the Belgrade liberation day a month ahead of its real time ,with a North Korea style military parade, just to show Putin how much they love him.
Serbia and Greece are two nation with their stomachs in Europe and North America, but they hearts in Russia.
Albania and Kosovo are one nation with our stomachs and hearts in Europe and North America.
Understand?
Aberdeen
The aim of every Muslim is spread of Islam, in any way.
The ultimate goal is Caliphate encompassing the entire Planet, all human Muslims.
But non-Muslims (Christians, Atheists etc.) don't understand all the creative ways Muslims spread Islam.
For example, in Islam lying is permissible (directed towards non-Muslim).
You can read:
Islam 101: Lying is permissible
http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/...s-permissible/
"Koran allows Muslims to lie in a way that can easily mean to hide their pro-Sharia agenda for non-Muslims".
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You can think that some Muslims want be non-Muslim allies, but caution.
All Muslims on the world belong to a community - ummah.
For Muslims non-Muslims are kafirs.
Someone can read what Muslims think about kafirs.
Kafir
www.politicalislam.com/blog/kafir
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In Pakistan there are areas where inhabitants enthusiastically embrace China.
For some reason China stood on their side against Hindus.
But, do they really love Chinese so much, and Chinese are kafirs, too.
If the Chinese were weaker they would see that love.
Same case when Muslims embrace Germany, USA, etc., especially they helped them against non-Muslims, what they think about kafirs is hidden.
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Lying for Islam is Taqiyya.
A video about Taqiyya:
Taqiyya - lying for Islam
"Taqiyya is about deception -- lulling Western people into a false sense of security..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlvS2a2AVE
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(I do not offend Muslims, only stating the basic; I’m strictly against violation of civil rights just because someone is Muslim; Islam is big, encompasses many areas in the world and dialogue with Islam is necessity).
Today's facts,
Religious of Kosovo: Muslims 94.7%.
Religious of Albania: Muslims 58.79%, Undeclared 13.79%.
Religious of Macedonia (FYROM): Muslims: 33.3%.
It was different yesterday.
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This is not offend, only question, maybe you can say to us how many Albanians from Kosovo, Albania and FYROM are in ISIS now, maybe Kurds know better, in Internet can be seen high numbers, but not precise.
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Serbia today is not medium rich country (only in bombing, 1999, estimated damage was at least $100 billion). Serbia, as Montenegro, is in the process of joining EU. But Serbia can pursue independent foreign and economic policy. Russia wants to buy agricultural products outside EU, in Latin America, Asia, etc. and Serbia. Today, every government is considering how to increase exports and create a business. Serbia can increase agricultural production and export more to Russia. And not only agriculture, other business area, too.
Many was asking me whether parade was necessity. It is 70 years since the liberation of Belgrade from Nazi. I do not know if the parade was needed but certainly it is a valuable jubilee.
We can read these days about possible entering ISIS fighters in south Europe, i. e. Balkans. Serbian army is third in the Balkans, after Greek and Romanian. Maybe in today's circumstances parade made sense, not only for jubilee, I think parade would be held and that Russian president had not come, his reason was related to the fact that in the liberation of Belgrade participated jointly Yugoslav People army and Soviet Red army.
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And return to the Kurds, in Serbia Kurds are favorite and their struggle for national affirmation.
in the christian new testament we read
'πορευθεντες μαθητευσατε και κυρηξετε το ευαγγελιον πασα τα εθνη'
' now go, and teach, and preach the evangelium to all nations'
same is in Quran, only in Quran is more intolerant to infidels,
yet historically in the name of 1 god, genocides happened.
ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ
When there is no shame
Divine blindness conquers them
Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
Nemesis and punishment follows.
Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.
Countries of Europe including Slavic ones are united against Russian aggression. Now SERBS either are the smartest or their hearts are in Russia. Do you think the west is stupid? If you stay close enough to Russia Sandzak could soon be part of Kosovo. Yes I know you are for Kurdish independence because of Turkey. I tooam for Kurdish independence for principled reasons.
Now let's not hijack this thread, open another one if you want the tirade to go on....
one more thing I want to remind you: There are muslims from Sandzak with ISIS too. Or they are not part of Serbia?
About your military army: We Albanians have the White House telephone number. We can call them and your armies will be a joke.
Albania has a poverty problem. Some ISIS recruiters are using the money as a tool to inspire the conscripts. Albanian government has admitted to social dimension of the phenomenon but poverty is a long battle to be wan. The government has stepped up its efforts by putting the imams who preach jihad in jail. I wander the ISIS fighters from the west what motivates them to enter that dangerous adventure. Generally the west has networks of welfare that support the individuals in generous way.
Did you watch football matches in Czech Republic or Slovakia these days? You could see banners in favor Serbia. Do you think drone with "greater albania" was good idea? Wrong. You can ask Czechs or Slovaks about it.
Russia has nothing to do with it. Serbs always had very good relations with Czechs, Slovaks and Poles. Slovak Lutheran pastor Tomasik, wrote words, which later became text for Yugoslav anthem: Hey Slavs.
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Why do you here write about Bosniacs? They speak language which is very similar to Serbian, and we all understand each other, until yesterday it was all one language Serbian-Croatian. Do you think they love learn Albanian and forget their mother tongue? Or problem is because some scientists in last time claim that Bosniacs are descendants of Illyrians. What they have with Kosovo, unless you think of Muslim religious state, Caliphate etc.
In Serbia without Kosovo, live about 3.7% Muslims, mostly Bosniacs (there are about 15,000 Serbs Muslims, mostly children from mixed marriages where one parent is Serb). Several Bosniacs, citizens of Serbia went to ISIS, it was not big number. And state has adopted very strict law about people who go out to fight abroad (not only in ISIS).
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I gave ranking first three armies in the Balkans according to estimates of analysts. What does have to do with the US army, which the ranked first in the world, we talk about Balkan armies. Regarding the phone number is ridiculous comment, things do not work the way you are talking.
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Serbia enters in EU and it is a matter of time. Citizens of Serbia gave full support to parties advocating European integrations. Parties which advocate neutrality or some other integrations were not pass the threshold (5%). Serbia is European country and it is normal behavior its citizens. Although it is painful some European countries bombed Serbia in 1999, inflicted causalties and enormous damage.
Personally I'm for European federation, many times I wrote about it.
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Everyone could see what I wrote about Kurds, and it is principled support to a brave people who deserve full national affirmation.
Yes, and we all wrote about that more time. Enver Hoxha abolished all religions and declared Albania as atheist country. Although now the influence of Islam in Albania grows, Islam is much stronger among people in Kosovo and Western Macedonia.
It is great news. It means we can be more optimistic.
I have heard imams from Sandzak who say that Serbian government has banned or closed archaeological sites for fear of the outsiders seen the truth. The truth is, as the imams claim, they are slavsized Illyrians. As you might know Albanians claim the same heritage. So if you continue demonizing Islam you might wake up, them wanted to join Kosovo. As for the language they will be allowed to keep the language they know. (This is not Albanian claim by the way. Its my personal claim).
The slogans; "Kosovo je Serbia" appearing as you saying in Czech Republic and Slovakia are not news for us. I was surprised though to see one in an Izraeli match. I have even seen one in Spain. There was not effort to remove it by the Izraelis. Were they Serbs living in Izrael or Izraeli I don't know.
I know there is a Slavic solidarity and that will continue, but regarding Kosovo they have no strength to change anything of its outcome. Slovaks have their own Hungarians and Checks have the Sudetenland. If Germans wake up and have no erection one morning, Slovaks and Checks knock at the Russian door.
I believe we will see more of them as desperation grows. Kosovo will get in NATO and Serbs will not dare to talk about attacking Kosovo, let alone doing anything.
Now, the bombing of Serbia by the west was among others the monetary debt you owned to them. They were worried they will never recover that money and they destroyed what they had given to you ,out of rage.
Now that famous Army you have enjoy all.
You keep that army to frighten Albanians or Croatians. Since with Greeks you are friends, so you are with Romanians we have to take notice that. So we have to keep some phone numbers. We have the number of Pentagon, Turkey and Germany I think.
Turkey's army alone is as big as Serbians multiplied by 15.
There are different type of muslims, the ones who are born that way,because they have inhereted it, the ones who convert religion during life, the ones whose religion was imposed with force by, let's say, another state or empire and others whose religion doesn't play any important role in their life, but still just consider themselfs to follow islam.But there are also violent and terrorist islamists, which is a disgrace of course.
I was talking about what i've seen myself here.
Its not just the albanians, but many other people from different countries are recruited secretly.There is also a big number of people from Serbia, Norway, America, Canada,Germany, England etc, like i already said.
Did you think that screaming and shouting inside and outside your stadium during the whole match vs Albania "Kill and slaughter so that the Albanian doesn't exist" was a good idea?You can ask the entire world about it.
Or maybe it was a good idea whistling during the time that the anthem of Albania, which is a national symbol, was playing in the stadium?
Or maybe the huligans entering the field and attacking the defendless albanian players with everything they had, was a good idea?
How do you know which religious influence is going up and which is going down amongst Albanians?As far as i know Christianity and Atheism are on the growth within the Albanian population.
When E.Hoxha abolished religions, every type of religious practice was prohibited during the entire communism period, so the logic that one religion isn't stronger in Albania because it was nullified in that time, doesn't really stand here.
The Albanians have been living with religious divisions for a very long time now, even before the turks conquered the balkans.This is why i was saying that religion doesn't mean much and isn't a problem if you are an Albanian.
BOOK HERE
"Prior to the Turkish conquest, the ghegs had found in Roman Catholicism a means of resisting the Slavs, and Albanian Orthodoxy remained important among the tosks "
The religious divisions have existed since the east-west schism, within the albanians.
another 'prove'!!! of your 'Illyrian-Makedonian' theories,
Makedonians are proud for their women,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYwgGJ6-Lyo#t=28
the only Women who were a helmet, cause they defend the land, from the times of Amyntas and later
there were many Illyrian women who were queens and fighters, like teuta,
I wonder, are you a West? or not? (jean d arc etc) ?(you claim that West and Catholic is same in another post)
are you really an Illyrian? or not? (queen teuta etc)
cause in all history, women played a role when defending the land,
and if you are an autochthonos then you should knew it.
you have just prove, that you are not proud, or you are foreign to the history you claim.
even kallasha women were a kind of helmet
only in Islam women are consider second class humans, or another category, etc
you said so much about history etc etc,
even that all others are wrong, and only you know,
but I see you do not live with history you claim, neither you are proud of it,
If you are an Illyrian, then you should honor queen Teuta,
and give your respects to these Kurdish women, who defend their land against ISIS mercenairies,
and if Makedonian werre Illryians and Alexander was Illyrian as you also claimed,
you should again know and honor the role of women when defending the land,
but you are probably a stranger, a foreign to the local culture,
not an autochthonos, you just prove it with your ideas.
I do not care what an imam say, priest are for religion, not for science,
BUT I WONDER WHAT THIS IMAM SAY ABOUT QUEEN TEUTA? a female warrior
WHAT QUEEN TEUTA WAS? CAN YOU ASK HIM?
AN ANGEL OR A DEVIL?
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I doupt Kurdish women in Kombane do it for money as IS salaries, from 200 E per month to 3000 E, and all the loot you can get.
I doupt they do it for Allah u Akbar, the glory of God,
search why they do it,
Newspapers and Internet every day write about that, for example:
Charity: Radical Islam Growing in Albania
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/cha...ing-in-albania
Albania: growing Islamisation causing tension
http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=20847
The Hidden Growth of Islamic Extremism in Kosovo
http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/inter...mism-in-kosovo
Do you want more?
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Good news from Kobane:
YPG general (Kurdish Peoples Protection Units)
'The victory of Kobane is a victory of all Syria'
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57602
"The resistance shown by us, the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) and factions of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), is a guarantee for defeating ISIS’s terrorism in the region."
Look! 20 years ago there were no churches or mosques in Albania. They were either destroyed by communists or turned in cultural centers. The west put pressure on us to allow religious freedom because we had no intention of opening them. Then mosques and churches were open with the Wests insistence.
There are radical elements of Islam in Albania. Some self radicalized some radicalized by others. Its a free world.
Radicalization is a price that should be paid in the name of freedom.
But Albanian population sees itself as part of Europe not Turkey. Westernization of Albania in terms of culture is amazing. So I want to calm you down that even there are few radicalized elements we are watching them and we know who are those guys. Albanians are travelling west to better themselves not east, not south.
So, even I understand your concern there is no ground to worry about. Things are largely under control1
Germany and France are very popular in Serbia these days, which is understandable as the country enters in EU. Serbian army already provides soldiers for EU missions, and in the future even more.
USA is another case, because 1999 was only 15 years ago, but Serbian army has specific cooperation. Serbia wants enters in EU and EU military missions, but Serbia doesn't want enter in NATO, but Americans know and understand it. Austria, Ireland, Finland, Sweden, Cyprus are members of EU but they are not in NATO, and Serbia is no exception.
Yes, you right, Serbia, and another countries (Christians and Atheists) in the Balkans the most feared of Turkey. Turkish army is very strong. According Global Fire Power this army is 8th ranking in the world by strength.
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Problem is if Erdogan and Turkish authorities have aspirations to restore Ottoman Empire and Islamic rule. Many Erdogan's moves and speaks are in that direction, we do not know whether is for internal use or not, but Balkan Atheists and Christian nations are afraid.
Turkey's PM Erdogan: Territories of Balkan countries belong to Turkey
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/12/tu...long-to-turkey
“Albania is Turkey’s strategic ally in the Balkans,” Erdogan told.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...c-relationship
Erdogan: Turkish Soldiers will help Albanians liberate their lands
http://balkanstory.wordpress.com/201...te-their-lands
Turkey under Erdogan: Lurching Toward Sharia Ottoman Empire
http://clashdaily.com/2013/11/turkey...ottoman-empire
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One interesting article from Israel newspaper:
Foreign Affairs: Turkey’s elusive promised land and the war on Islamic State
http://www.jpost.com/International/F...ed-land-379684
"Turkish scholars now call the pair’s platform “pan-Islamism,” as opposed to the previously used “neo-Ottomanism.” One such scholar, Marmara University’s Behlul Ozkan, has studied some 300 articles Davutoglu penned as an academic before the Islamists’ rise to power, most of which have never been translated. His findings indicate that Davutoglu believes Turkey has a historic mission to revive and lead a Sunni triangle that would stretch from North Africa through the Balkans to Central Asia. In a sense, Islamic State’s vision of a caliphate has stolen Davutoglu’s thunder."
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More than 500 years Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc. in the Balkans were under Ottoman empire, Islamic rule and Sharia law, in XIX century and Balkan wars we were freed finally and began to arrange our countries with 500 years behind the Western Europe. Ottoman Empire, Islamic rule and Sharia law never more in the Balkans.
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Today free world defend himself in Kobane. I think we in Serbia and in greater part the Balkans can understand the Kurds, their efforts but also a sense of pride that they have. And things are very connected between Kurds and Balkans.
Garrick, can you stop attacking Albanians for a moment?
Perhaps in an effort to give a satisfactory answers I crossed the line and if this is so I accept critique (I'm not attacking anyone, nor is it my style).
But everyone can see it all started with #160, where I did not even mention the Albanians, and where I quoted a Kurdish leader.
Believe me, I do not know why this had angered Albanians, link:
Kurdish official: ISIS must stop, otherwise go up in Bulgaria and Romania
http://news.newsdirectory1.com/kurdi...a-and-romania/
You only see what you want to see.
You only read what your country propagandates you.
In newspaper and internet sources i have read other things.
Pope in Albania to promote inter-religious harmony
Albania has managed to create a "government of national unity among Muslims, Orthodox and Catholics, with an interreligious council that has helped a lot and is balanced," he said in August, adding that his presence "will be a way of saying to everyone, 'See, we can all work together!'"
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-p...harmony-2014-9
Pope Francis praises human rights and religious freedom during Albania visit
In Tirana, Francis lauded the mutual respect and trust between Muslims, Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Albania as a "precious gift" and a powerful symbol in today's world."This is especially the case in these times where an authentic religious spirit is being perverted by extremist groups and where religious differences are being distorted and instrumentalised," said Francis.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ia-tiranaorana
Muslims and Christians help rebuild a Catholic church in Albania
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-albania-v...122400702.html
Do you want more?
I suppose you are talking about me since i was the one who replied. Well, i've already said the reason why i decided to answer your posts and there is no need for me to repeat it 3 times.You can read post #165 and #178 again if you want.
Nobody was angered, i replied as a normal person.
No it didn't start in #160, read the thread again. It started when someone mentioned the foreign politics of serbia and greece and on the other side you replied by mentioning the religion of the Albanians, which i can't find any relation.
The problem is that people like Garrick like to spread an anti-albanian propaganda as much as they can.
You can clearly see this as he has done alot of times now which is not normal.The thread "To Poles, Czechs,Slovaks" is a clear proof of this, and now the same thing here.
They don't know where to attack and they start talking about religion.
It is mistake because sources are European: Catholic Charity, Independent Catholic News and Polish NEE.
By the way, in Serbia nobody reads these sources.
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Back to Kurds:
Kurds 'repulse ISIL push' in Syria's Kobane
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/kurds-repulse-isil-push-syria-kobane-20141026192620718485.html
Again mistake.
You can prohibit any criticism of Islam, but you make bigger problem.
On the contrary, I've written several times about the need for dialogue with Muslims.
Maybe the problem is because I openly talking about concepts as kafir or jihad, etc.
But openness has its advantages over the conversation with kid gloves, I do not fabricate, I always give sources and arguments, every Muslim if wants can have a dialogue with me, I love dialogue and I'm not against any religion nor against atheists.
Its not my mistake here, its yours.
I was the first one who said that hates the jihadist, and also everyone who goes to fight for ISIS.
I wasn't against criticizing of islam, i've done that when talking with a muslim.You didn't understand what is the problem here.
The problem is that you try and to denigrate the figure of albanians in every occasion that you have, by making them look dangerous and a threat,which you have done in other threads too, because its in the benefit of serbs if Europe has animosity against Albanians.
You spread propaganda by doing personal attacks by going off topic in threads who talk about totally different things.
He has convinced himself that Islam of Kurdistan is like the Christianity of the west. (Because of Serbian and Greek jealousy or fear from Turkey). One of the worst Islamic terrorist came from there (Al Kurdi). But Albanian Islam is dangerous according to these guys.
They are fretting out because Sandzak Muslims have risen and claim Illyrian ancestry which I believe is true,
it seems winter is coming,
and IS is pissed off with Kurds of Kombane,
so is calling back all the Jihadists and gives orders to the Chechens (Al Sishani) to take Kombane in the next 2 weeks
it seems like the women of Kombane manage to piss off so much the Jihadists,
and the city might pass in History as a significant battle,
after that, the winner takes all, and the looser stands alone
and Kombane will be a town symbol for the winner,
if Kurds win we might have collapse of Jihadists morale,
if Jihadists win the oposite,
but is going to be a battle full of 'martyres'.
in fact the news say that the city of Cizre has revolt against Turkish authorities, and a huge Turkish army is going there.
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Milliyet-...8a0SHh1CK.html
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