Politics Balkanian disagreements.

[Piro Ilir]

When Albanians are first mentioned Roman empire was long gone,Byzantine in their end,first mentioned in the 12th century,don't know what people dream about here,as for the Ottomans indeed they had some pasha's of Arbanas origin.

Yes, the king of Egypt was an Albanian pasha who rebelled against the ottomans and became the king of Egypt. All the serious scholars agreed about the Hyllirians- Albanian continuity . Of course except some Serb and Russian nationalist scholars. Albanians were first mentioned at the second century ad (150ad ) on the same territory were they live today. They were one of too many Hyllirian tribes of that time. Read more before claiming stuff.

 

[Piro Ilir]

The territory of Albania in the Middle Ages most of the time was under either Serb or Bulgar domination,in 1912 entire Albania was occupied by Serb troops and annexed,later Austro-Hungarians gave ultimatum on the Serbs if they don't retreat they will attack them,some others also supported Albanian country.That's how Albania was created for first time.You spread all over the place because of Ottoman empire and large part of you were Muslims,on Christians were made exodus after every rebelion,there were 2 great Serb migrations out of Ottoman empire,let alone others,later populated by Muslims,accept that fact.
Serb troops in Durres,Greetings from the Serbian coast say the picture.Why Albanians think they are Illyrians and best soldiers [emoji14]etrified: Others don't fight your wars rather they make colonies.

Anyway wars brought nothing good to anyone in Europe,let alone Balkans which happened more often,which is full with nationalism can be seen all over this Eupedia,most of the time Balkan issues,while people don't realize most of Balkans countries are irrelevant right now.It is important geo politicaly but the countries not at all.

Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war

 

[Garrick]

Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war

You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.

 

[Garrick]

The first Moroccans have migrated to Europe have immigrated by request of the own European countries, Germany, France mainly after WWII.

I didn't mention Morocco, and I'm very glad that in Morocco is better situation.

But you can see every day how many migrants enter in Europe from Africa and Western Asia.

 

[Boreas]

But you can see every day how many migrants enter in Europe from Africa and Western Asia.

You can thing it as human diffusion and the only solution of it is increasing life quality all around the world.

How can accuse Syrians, world didn't create no fly-zone for them.

and stop arm trade

 

[Piro Ilir]

Western-style democracy where women rule,Muslims do not want,democracy in general is a Jewish invention, there is no a Jewish man who is not driven by his wife,plus too many westeners,women in the west have 1000pc rights,men have almost no rights,this is called equality in the west

No Thanks,we d'ont need this democracy :grin:

First time I hear that western democracy is a women ruling state. In a real democracy every one has equal rights. I didn't know that democracy was a Jewish invention. George Washington was not a Jewish. Equal rights for all, is the clue to democracy.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Uh, no, Democracy was invented by the Greeks, and religious Jewish society is as male controlled and as dictatorial as the typical Muslim society.

P.S if the Muslims don't want to live in a Democratic society, then why do you keep coming to Europe? Moroccans seem to come mainly to the Netherlands and Belgium, and if most of them are as yourself, why do they come? Because let's face it, the typical Dutchman could live an entire life without immigrants flooding his street.

He is not representing here all the Muslims. The situation in Muslim will change soon or later

 

[Piro Ilir]

Muslims prefer to have their own style of democracy, not that who have the West,(namely Western democracy with several exceptions) I think we are already enjoying in several Arab and Muslim countries,we can begin from Turkey,Morocco, UAE, Tunisia etc ...

100pc Western democracy is impossible to apply in Muslim societies, simply because we are different,profoundly different.

Do you ever read history? Not always the women and the black people were allowed to vote. There was a time during the course of democracy throughout the Western countries when only the white males were allowed to vote. The democracy is a process.

 

[Piro Ilir]

You do realise , that judism, christians and muslim pray to the same God , do you realise this?

-with the founding of muslim ~400AD there was no new GOD created

-These 3 religions ( judism, christians and muslim ) got together and decided that every other religion in the world apart from theirs, is a pagan religion, but this theory is only to benefit themselves, its called Greed. The only possibility is that GOD ( the same that judism, christians and muslim pray to ) was around prior to these 3 (judism, christians and muslim) and that these "pagan " religions also prayed to the same GOD ..............it makes no other logical sense to have any other format UNLESS you think their is more than one GOD.
So which is it for muslims, the same GOD or a new GOD?

I never said that there are different Gods. God had sent prophets since the first times of human kind. All the pagan religions generally are related with the Abraham's religions. I think Zeus includes either. During the course of history the pagan religions were deformed from the first way of worshiping the God . That's why are called pagans.

 

[Piro Ilir]

I told him similar, but no answer. If Europe is not good for them why their migrants mostly trying to settle in Europe. Why they do not go to Muslim countries where is the same culture and customs.

Stop judging people as a group. They are individuals. Muslims are not a homogeneous group of people.

 

[Piro Ilir]

You know you something passed over. What about jizya? It is per capita tax for Christians and Jews who live in Islamic state; about more things on another time.

What about "sadaka" and other taxes that Muslims were forced to pay to the state. There are some taxes that were paid only by the Muslims. At least this is a medieval history.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Except when your close friend was killing civilians and policeman of different ethnicity.

He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic

 

[Piro Ilir]

You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.

You need to read about the treaty of Bucharest, and other treaties which followed the Russian- Turkish wars. The only reason why Serbia had a larger territory than Albania was because of the intervention of Russia

 

[Piro Ilir]

You obviously don't know what happened, I have no intention to wider discussion.

But if you want you can see today's situation in Macedonia, again, no chance.

What about Macedonia? [emoji45] [emoji45] [emoji45] [emoji45]

 

[Piro Ilir]

You can thing it as human diffusion and the only solution of it is increasing life quality all around the world.

How can accuse Syrians, world didn't create no fly-zone for them.

and stop arm trade

It was the Russian intervention that in middle east is not a no fly zone, unfortunately

 

[Ike]

He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic

He was a Muslim terrorist coming here to kill Christians. That's what he was.

We all know that Vatican and CIA propaganda built you a fault excuse around Milosevic to go round and kill Orthodox and destroy monasteries. If Milosevich wanted Kosovo by force he could have cleansed it in 1990 in a week without a single crime. Don't give that s*it to me. It's like saying that USA army couldn't handle Mexican immigrants in Texas, but had to battle them for 10 years. The only problem Yugoslavs had was that Milosevic was a peaceful man and wanted reintegration of Albanians into normal European society, without acknowledging their real goals. As far as my knowledge goes about alternative options in the parliament of Serbia, if anyone else was the head of the state, today would probably be no Albanians on Kosovo. Only one who didn't care for religion was a Milosevic as an ideological communist, and he was your savior.

 

[Boreas]

The only problem Yugoslavs had was that Milosevic was a peaceful man and wantedof Albanians into normal European society, without acknowledging their real goals.

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[Garrick]

What about "sadaka" and other taxes that Muslims were forced to pay to the state. There are some taxes that were paid only by the Muslims. At least this is a medieval history.

As good Muslim you use taqiyya. But in today's time of Internet even people in Amazonia know for it. Jizya is obligatory upon dihimmis, it is mandated by the Quran and the Hadits.

 

[Garrick]

You need to read about the treaty of Bucharest, and other treaties which followed the Russian- Turkish wars. The only reason why Serbia had a larger territory than Albania was because of the intervention of Russia

You don't know history.

Albanians were main Turkish allies in the Balkans. Muslim Albanian pashas, begs, fighters were active participants against Balkan Christians, and not only Balkan. For example attacker on the Vienna, Kara Mustafa Pasha was ethnic Albanian, but he and his troops 150,000 had hard defeat, big winner were Polish king John III Sobieski and Vienna's defenders.

Russia was against Serbia in II Balkan war, and in the side of Bulgaria. According plans Bulgaria wanted Vardar's Macedonia, even any Albanian territories and Aegean sea. Greece and Serbia were the only allies, but Greek/Serbian forces were prepared and more motivated.

 

[Yetos]

He was an Albanian patriot with some Vlach roots. His mother is a Vlach. He go to kosova to protect the civilians from the criminals of war of Milosevic

so now except Moschopolis you admit that Aromani population exists also elsewhere in Albania????