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    the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians

    compare phoenician alphabet from which european alphabet is derived to nordic runes
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg7SjUKdM_...cian-runes.jpg

    phoenician longboat vs norman longboat
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aXjKcXxCop...phoenician.jpg

    Haplogroup I, which grew out of the broader haplotype IJ. In this sense, the closest to haplogroup I is the J haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians

    compare phoenician alphabet from which european alphabet is derived to nordic runes
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg7SjUKdM_...cian-runes.jpg

    phoenician longboat vs norman longboat
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aXjKcXxCop...phoenician.jpg

    Haplogroup I, which grew out of the broader haplotype IJ. In this sense, the closest to haplogroup I is the J haplogroup.
    I and J have split from mother clad IJ about 35 thousands years ago. Do you think Phoenicians existed in paleolithic?


    I'm going to give you a ridiculous example by using your logic of quick assumptions.
    This is Russia car Wolga 1975


    And this is American Ford Falcon 1968


    Do you think Americans are forefathers of Russians? Afterall they are related through hg R1.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I and J have split from mother clad IJ about 35 thousands years ago. Do you think Phoenicians existed in paleolithic?


    I'm going to give you a ridiculous example by using your logic of quick assumptions.
    This is Russia car Wolga 1975


    And this is American Ford Falcon 1968


    Do you think Americans are forefathers of Russians? Afterall they are related through hg R1.
    More on Phoenicians in Scandinavia
    The Scandinavian Bronze Age started very suddenly about 1800 BC (it is claimed?? Brit-Am would place it about 900 years later) with a very high culture and the artifacts deteriorated in quality over the centuries. The earlier artifacts are almost identical with similar finds from the Phoenician and the pre-hellenic or Achaean culture in Greek Mycaene. This is interpreted as the Phoenicians established trading colonies in Scandinavia and introducing their culture and gods. The god Baal (later in Scandinavian mythology known as Balder) would have been introduced at that time.
    http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    Where is the proof of relation Vikings to phoenicians? I suggest you use the strict sciences instead of your eyes. Genetic or linguistic proof will be fine. And genetic means DNA sequencing, and not posting pictures of phoenicians and vikings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Where is the proof of relation Vikings to phoenicians? I suggest you use the strict sciences instead of your eyes. Genetic or linguistic proof will be fine. And genetic means DNA sequencing, and not posting pictures of phoenicians and vikings.
    as we all know haplogroup J is closely related to haplogroup I (viking dna) so ther must have been a northward migration of haplogroup J from which the haplogroup I came into being

    ancient phoenicians have identical runic alphabet and they worshiped BAAL the horned god coincidentally the vikings had same type of ships and horned helmets and worshipped BALdur

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians
    The two have nothing in common. One of the pitfalls of using alphabet for nomenclature. You immediately assume they are close because they are adjacent in the alphabet. You forget the most important variable - time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    as we all know haplogroup J is closely related to haplogroup I (viking dna) so ther must have been a northward migration of haplogroup J from which the haplogroup I came into being

    ancient phoenicians have identical runic alphabet and they worshiped BAAL the horned god coincidentally the vikings had same type of ships and horned helmets and worshipped BALdur
    Actually the Vikings had no horned helmets, that was invented in the 19th century, and as it has been pointed out, J and I split tens of thousands of years ago, long before the Phoenicians or the vikings and deep into pre history. As for the Phoenician alphabet, it has influenced both Latin (and therefore west European) and Greek (therefore east European) alphabets.

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    "haplogroup I (viking dna)"

    Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    "haplogroup I (viking dna)"

    Hmm...
    Let's also not forget that while the Vikings were Norse not all Norsemen were Vikings, being a Viking was usually something that one had to do because he didn't inherit anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    Let's also not forget that while the Vikings were Norse not all Norsemen were Vikings, being a Viking was usually something that one had to do because he didn't inherit anything.
    without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..
    They may have traded there, and influenced the Scandinavian alphabet (via influencing the Greek and Latin ones), but there's no evidence of a huge genetic or cultural contribution. Genetic evidence may only be found or not found via ancient DNA analysis of Phoenician and Viking skeletons.

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    strange coincidences hmm..

    coat of arms beirut(ancient phoenicians):
    beirut.jpg

    britain, vikings and usa(maritime law):
    phoenicians.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..
    Since the matter is "without doubt", you should be able to point us to books and research papers about Phoenicians in Scandinavia and Britain, books and research papers written by professors at major universities.

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    http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news304_anthems.html

    who do you think runs "major universities"?! omg.. those who want you to know how true history looks like?!, if you believe this then you are naive, try to do your own research.. what mainstream science says doesn not alwys match the objective truh!

    vikings and phoenicians both share the same ancestors(haplogroup IJ)

    http://www.10452lccc.com/leb%20histo...ans8.12.07.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news304_anthems.html

    who do you think runs "major universities"?! omg.. those who want you to know how true history looks like?!, if you believe this then you are naive, try to do your own research..

    vikings and phoenicians both share the same ancestors(haplogroup IJ)

    http://www.10452lccc.com/leb%20histo...ans8.12.07.pdf
    Thanks. I think you've given me sufficient information to allow me to form an opinion about your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    Thanks. I think you've given me sufficient information to allow me to form an opinion about your views.
    whatever your opinion has formed into, it still remains subjective and shaped by your own expectations/perceptions

    what is so hard to understand or what seems so illogical to you?!

    i proved to you the scandinavians and phoenicians both share the haplogroup IJ
    i showed you the very similar runic alphabets of vikings and phoenicians
    i showed you the similar ship design of both folks
    i showed you the exact similarity between the british(gerat britain was founded by nordic vikings) navy flag and the viking flag and the lebanese beirut coat of arms(ancient phoenicia)
    http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

    what else do you need as proof they both share the same ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilantexplorer View Post
    whatever your opinion has formed into, it still remains subjective and shaped by your own expectations/perceptions

    what is so hard to understand or what seems so illogical to you?!

    i proved to you the scandinavians and phoenicians both share the haplogroup IJ
    i showed you the very similar runic alphabets of vikings and phoenicians
    i showed you the similar ship design of both folks
    i showed you the exact similarity between the british(gerat britain was founded by nordic vikings) navy flag and the viking flag and the lebanese beirut coat of arms(ancient phoenicia)
    http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

    what else do you need as proof they both share the same ancestry?
    This is precious, lol.
    Even if we assume that Vikings major haplogroup was I and phoenicians J, which is speculative due to lack of genetic research of both groups, their common IJ ancestor lived 35 thousand years ago! There was no alphabets, there were no big boats, there were no Vikings, there was no Phoenician culture. How could Vikings adopt something as old as 35k years ago, if all of this didn't exist!!!???

    I think you have some spatial impairment. You don't grasp how long 35K years is, and you jump from India to Ireland like to the next door neighbor, without slightest explanation, or even consideration for the stuff in between.

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    This is probably the relationship between vikings and phoenicians

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...arab-dane.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by khufu View Post
    This is probably the relationship between vikings and phoenicians

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...arab-dane.html
    They say, and I agree, that he came up there most likely by Roman influence. Neither carthage or phoenicia existed at this time.
    The study analyzed 18 well-preserved bodies from two burial sites dating from 0 to A.D. 400 in eastern Denmark. The sites were originally excavated some 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khufu View Post
    This is probably the relationship between vikings and phoenicians

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...arab-dane.html
    So, what was the "Arab" haplotype? Some kind of mtDNA common in the Middle East, apparently, but is it in fact unknown in Europe or just a minority lineage? The person could have been a German with a haplotype that's more common in the Middle East than Europe. Look at all the people thinking Hitler must have been part Jewish just because his Y haplotype was E1b1b. A similar situation, perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    So, what was the "Arab" haplotype? Some kind of mtDNA common in the Middle East, apparently, but is it in fact unknown in Europe or just a minority lineage? The person could have been a German with a haplotype that's more common in the Middle East than Europe. Look at all the people thinking Hitler must have been part Jewish just because his Y haplotype was E1b1b. A similar situation, perhaps.
    arabs are J1-P58 ; Y-DNA is even unknown here
    only some mtDNA related to bedouins, which is not the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    arabs are J1-P58 ; Y-DNA is even unknown here
    only some mtDNA related to bedouins, which is not the same
    The article specifically says mitochondrial, in other words, mtDNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    This is precious, lol.
    Even if we assume that Vikings major haplogroup was I and phoenicians J, which is speculative due to lack of genetic research of both groups, their common IJ ancestor lived 35 thousand years ago! There was no alphabets, there were no big boats, there were no Vikings, there was no Phoenician culture. How could Vikings adopt something as old as 35k years ago, if all of this didn't exist!!!???

    I think you have some spatial impairment. You don't grasp how long 35K years is, and you jump from India to Ireland like to the next door neighbor, without slightest explanation, or even consideration for the stuff in between.
    who exactly told you there was a split 35000 years ago?!(official historians?) i never told you the phoenicians and vikings are 35000 years old so this is your logical fallacy not mine
    i think your major problem is you cannot think holistically and put pieces together(i fear you are one of those guys who still believes columbus was the first in america because they still teach it in schools), reminds me of western medicine.. no offense! buddy

    just do some research on the connection between denmark britain and phoenicians before you accuse me of having a lack of logic! as far as indian-irish connection goes, there is a lot of evidence all europeans which share haplogroup R came in from indian through russian steppes into europe! we share similar linguistics, dna, similar gods etc. what is not logical here?! indra(thor/zeus) etc. the swstika comes from india and is found in every nation of europe which has haplogroup R from celts to germans to slavs to basques.. which all share the same haplogroup as indians

    i am always astonished how much ignorance and denial there is in lot of people..

    same dna the only difference is pigmentation
    ind_468.jpg

    indoeuropeangirls.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by khufu View Post
    This is probably the relationship between vikings and phoenicians

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...arab-dane.html
    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    They say, and I agree, that he came up there most likely by Roman influence. Neither carthage or phoenicia existed at this time.
    my groups dna z830 and m123 and m34 real semitic and bedouins and scientists of haplogroup R messing with us
    they say
    we suggest that this subject was a soldier or a slave, or a descendant of a female slave
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18046774

    bedouins that time was Emperors of Rome !

    and thise mtdna same bedouins hyxsus pharoah mtdna r0a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    So, what was the "Arab" haplotype? Some kind of mtDNA common in the Middle East, apparently, but is it in fact unknown in Europe or just a minority lineage? The person could have been a German with a haplotype that's more common in the Middle East than Europe. Look at all the people thinking Hitler must have been part Jewish just because his Y haplotype was E1b1b. A similar situation, perhaps.
    I do not think Hitler was a Jews and e1b1b1 in north europe nore more than greec time

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