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    My experience visiting Europe was that European men are very effeminate, although my opinion may be harsh as I am from a somewhat rural area of Canada where men still act like cowboys. I think LeBrok would agree with me as he lives in the same general vicinity. In my experiences here with immigrants from Europe (much less so for Germans) they tend to learn very quickly that public displays of emotion are severely frowned upon and touching others is considered rude and will make you a social pariah. Even accidental touching warrants a "Sorry" here which is a hallmark of our culture. Canadians are different from Americans in that if you behave improperly in America Americans will make it a point to say something to you and point it out so people from other cultures quickly learn what is and isn't acceptable. Alternatively in Canada if someone behaves in an unacceptable manner Canadians just make it a point to avoid that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motzart View Post
    My experience visiting Europe was that European men are very effeminate, although my opinion may be harsh as I am from a somewhat rural area of Canada where men still act like cowboys. I think LeBrok would agree with me as he lives in the same general vicinity. In my experiences here with immigrants from Europe (much less so for Germans) they tend to learn very quickly that public displays of emotion are severely frowned upon and touching others is considered rude and will make you a social pariah. Even accidental touching warrants a "Sorry" here which is a hallmark of our culture. Canadians are different from Americans in that if you behave improperly in America Americans will make it a point to say something to you and point it out so people from other cultures quickly learn what is and isn't acceptable. Alternatively in Canada if someone behaves in an unacceptable manner Canadians just make it a point to avoid that person.
    you make it sound so dramatic and as if affection is nearly a crime. I was in Quebec and I hugged my friends and kissed on the cheek on greetings without feeling like an outcast .

    http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-5756/...ugs-a-Day.html

    Just some humor

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    Genetic and climate is certainly not responsible for differences in Latvia vs Lithuanian/Latgale. We are maybe closest populations in the world.

    I think Catholic/Protestant had impact. Look at churches, ascetic Lutheran vs fancy decorated Catholic, sharing your sins with priest vs keeping those to yourself, etc, etc. It should have impacted moral norms of society when church was one's major guide (how maņu centuries after Martin Luther have passed?). Public showing off is good goes into subconsiossness of Catholic (if only for God's sake). I am a Catholic and I have Lutheran wife. Those churches/processions etc are like day and night.

    Bavaria, Austria and Belgium are good counterpoints, must read on those. Probably there is something specifically Germanic culturally. Maybe some German could comment if there is difference between Bavarian vs rest of Germany mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Surprisingly, given the amount of research that's been done on the benefits of human touch for everything from infant development, to marital bonding, to psychological health, to physical healing, there are few papers that I can remember that look at it from the perspective of geographic and therefore ethnic differences.
    That is absolutely true. And one thing for sure, that exceptions should not kill the rule and the benefits that come with it. Many capitalise on exceptions such as in most cases of exceptions, such as sexual harassment and so on. Most of the kissing on the cheek on greetings, hugging and other affection is of the beneficial type that all come out in studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melancon View Post
    Good point. Although I doubt there are people in Europe with Native American indian DNA. Don't go by 23andme's idiotic and erroneous results. Only 108 samples of Native Americans were taken. Who knows if some of those "Natives" had blood that was European/Spanish/Mediterranean. There needs to be genomes from 1,000 healthy Native Americans; just like Ashkenazi Jews.
    I think we've crossed wires, somehow. My point was that any study of possible genetic influences on emotionality, expressiveness etc. should not be using Latin American countries as proxies for Southern Europeans because even in countries like Argentina and Uruguay, many people have some percentage of Native American genes. Every study I've seen indicates that is the case, and I've even seen it in my sharing partners at 23andme. The only Argentinians with whom I share who don't show it are those (like Pope Francis, no doubt), whose ancestors immigrated to Argentina in the early 20th century, and have only intermarried in that same group. It's a small portion of the population. Interestingly, a large majority of the rest carry Native American mtDna.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    It's not to say people from Germany, Sweden or Finland are cruel or bad. Of course it's possible for them to be both friendly and well-mannered, having better self-control, not making as much noise and doing things in a more efficient way.
    You're jumping all over the place. Your thread topic raised the question as to whether certain countries or regions of Europe are more emotional or perhaps "expressive" than other regions or countries. The short answer, of course, is yes.

    Are you going to stay with that, and make a stab at approaching the issue in a learned, scientific way, or are you trying to turn this thread into just another exercise in the "Nordicist countries are better, southern European countries are worse" anthrofora type discussions ?

    If you are, either I'm going to ignore it, or I'm going to "take the gloves off", depending on how much time I have, and my mood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motzart View Post
    My experience visiting Europe was that European men are very effeminate, although my opinion may be harsh as I am from a somewhat rural area of Canada where men still act like cowboys. I think LeBrok would agree with me as he lives in the same general vicinity. In my experiences here with immigrants from Europe (much less so for Germans) they tend to learn very quickly that public displays of emotion are severely frowned upon and touching others is considered rude and will make you a social pariah. Even accidental touching warrants a "Sorry" here which is a hallmark of our culture. Canadians are different from Americans in that if you behave improperly in America Americans will make it a point to say something to you and point it out so people from other cultures quickly learn what is and isn't acceptable. Alternatively in Canada if someone behaves in an unacceptable manner Canadians just make it a point to avoid that person.
    Motzart, I've enjoyed many of your posts on genetics, but I have to say that I don't find this comment very insightful in terms of the topic.

    There is nothing "effeminate" about men being expressive and emotional with one another. In fact, if I wanted to be inflammatory, I could post studies to the effect that men who have a phobia about being touched affectionately by other men often harbor secret homosexual tendencies. However, I am taking my new duties seriously, and I don't want to be inflammatory. Plus, I don't think the science on that is actually all that sound to be honest, and such phobias are often also just a function of extreme youth.

    I do think, however, that there is something to be said for the fact that men who are affectionate and expressive often are, indeed, very comfortable in their masculinity, and that men who are more insecure about it can sometimes overcompensate by trying to project what they think is a super "masculine" persona. I might also add that for many women, that combination in men of strength and masculinity with tenderness and emotional availability is devastatingly attractive, and indeed irresistible.

    I'll give you an example with which you might be familiar, given the mania of Americans for Mafia movies. Think about the depiction of the men in a movie like "The Godfather", for example. I've said before, and I'll say again that I think Mario Puzo and Coppola romanticized them. Many of them are far more like Tataglia than they are like Vito Corleone. Be that as it may, the portrayal in terms of speech patterns, body language, expressiveness, family relationships, etc. is an extremely accurate representation of these Italian-Americans. Do you find anything remotely effeminate about these men? I sure don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    But Quebec is a different story, isn't it?
    Somehow its still Canada....No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    Yes. I'm wiling to discover what countries in Europe are rather the opposite of those traits. My question is not about whether there are countries like that (I know there are), but what countries are.

    I am of course also willing to get as deep into this as possible. If a comprehensive analysis could be made, nice.

    I am going to be super honest with you. Many people get angry when touching the subject of "Nordicist countries are better, southern European countries are worse", but I find it terrible that people also either try to sugar-coat the facts or ignore them.


    I notice you changed the title of the topic. As I said previously ALL people are emotional and impulsive, they just have their own way of expressing and dealing with it. Maybe you forget that deep down we are all human. Some people CAN mask their emotions others just flow it out as it happens, you get different reactions from different people in the same regions depending on their background.


    I have myself read from people from Southern Europe themselves (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus and Croatia, for example), the ups of their countries don't go far from food, weather and sceneries. But when it comes to efficiency of services, social cohesion and some others, some would criticize or even simply say "It's not good to live in Italy". Not to mention the fact that Portugal and Greece are the poorest countries of the so called "Western Europe", even if they didn't have Communism to hinder their progress as most of Eastern Europe did (Croatia was Communist and experienced a civil war as well, partly excused).
    I have even heard the contrary many times, in itself it does not prove anything

    Considering this, I find it at least worth a moment of reflection if countries which are (granted, emotionally expressiveness have its benefits) of a rather emotional character, have the setback of also having slack structures and foundations (shown in lower positions on indices of development, all having with the exception of Italy a Purchasing Power Parity lower than EU-28 and Europe, not counting Russia). And don't get me started on Latin America.
    I think you should start a new topic as this will delve much deeper then just emotions and being impulsive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    A Francizationed version of Canada, probably. Of course, not a copy of France, but probably with different nuances from the rest of Canada.

    There has even been a referendum on independence.
    Fine...but not independent yet, when it is we can discuss it as such

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post

    Not to mention the fact that Portugal and Greece are the poorest countries of the so called "Western Europe", even if they didn't have Communism to hinder their progress as most of Eastern Europe did (Croatia was Communist and experienced a civil war as well, partly excused).
    In all honesty I can say with all confidence that I am glad I visited Athens and other areas all over Greece except the North. It was bustling with life and everyone was so nice and friendly and no one was begging in the street. I can easily say there was a great ambiance and felt safe too. I was there on holiday so I cannot tell how the services work for the local people, but I can only term it as very positive experience. Income is always an issue with most humans but its not the only thing that binds a complete picture for what we term 'quality of life'.

    Another point is one can discuss economics at this point in time, but 100, 50 years ago (short span of time really) were not always what they are today, and nothing is to say that today's figures will be set in stone. another 50 to 100 years (a short span of time) we can have different pictures as history very well teaches us. What we know for sure is that stability will provide more security and wealth for anyone irrelevant of the present economy hit parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    (starry-eyed immigrants who come from even worse environments?).
    No need to become bitchy

    I know we are all humans. That's where the word "impulsive" comes into play. Some countries are characterized by people of more impulsive behaviour, whereas others are not.

    I'm curious as to what kind of contrary, and from whom you have heard it (starry-eyed immigrants who come from even worse environments?).

    Lastly, it's not a bad idea.
    No Dabeho, if you think there are no Northerners who prefer to live in the southern regions then you need to make some more research. I heard it from Brits, Germans and Swedes, thats the ones I had most contact with......they spill out the bad and the good and there is no one way thing as you imply, Like any person from the south would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    I think it's worth remarking that comment was originally typed by the hands of an Italian when saying what kind of people will like Italy. He was from Rome.

    And let's check the profile of people from Northern countries who move to Southern Europe. Pensioners who are done with life and just want some rest in a more weather-friendly environment? Or those who come with the discourse of "oh, people here are friendlier, and I love olives and wine"?

    Rather, let's check the rate and proportions of Northerns to the South and Southerners to the North. What surpasses?
    Whats wrong with pensioners? Dont they remain the nationals that they are? and aren't they part of the economy too? and who would want to move to a disastrous area especially in old age?

    In regards to work, humans do tend to move to were they can make a better buck or two, its not a phenomena like history teach us. I know people who sacrifice months in hot desserts for a better income, but surely its not the case with all. Many are happy to stay were they are and the trend is a general one and not one sided. I would not make general assumptions just becuase I heard someone saying something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    Pensioners get the money from their original countries, like they don't need to rely on wages of Southern European countries. And they just want to enjoy the rest of their life in these countries, which are admittedly of a mindset easier to deal. It's not like they thought Spain or Greece were better than their nations Sweden or Germany, to the point of having actually moved there at a younger age and not at senior years. They know their own countries have a more thriving environment. A different trend from what I see, that many young people from Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are moving to Northern Europe.

    Of course the majority of people actually stay where they were born. But when it comes to those to migrate, you see different rates. I don't hear about large influx of Germans or Norwegians moving abroad because they "can't bear to live in that mess". Now, what I do see is the profile of migrants from Latin America: never ever willing to come back to their homeland, and sometimes overtly insulting it. Not to mention the Southern Europeans who are revolted at their countries' drawbacks, and just "play the German".
    Are you Mexican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabeho View Post
    Why the question?
    Why would a Mexican (from all places) be so interested to ride on a high horse to insult southern Europeans? ....... and you think coming on a forum to let us know what a disillusioned Italian from Rome you had a conversation with (or typed whatever that means) is objective and constructive?. Should I start threads of all the disillusioned people had to say to me?

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