New map of YDNA haplogroup R1a-CTS1211 (aka M558 or Y93)

I know only general R1a tree picture which is good to understand overall structure but does not go down as detailed on SNP level..

Balto-Slavs generally belong to Z280 and M458 (among Poles proportions of the two branches are 50-50, or from 40-60 to 60-40). But perhaps those branches weren't exclusively Balto-Slavic, but also shared by some other - today extinct - Indo-European linguistic groups, such as the Daco-Thracian languages, or the hypothetical Venedic languages (which could be closely related to both Balto-Slavic and Daco-Thracian):

http://s17.postimg.org/hsnaex6xb/R1a_tree.png

R1a_tree.png


Daco-Thracian is a hypothetical language family that was probably closely related to Balto-Slavic language family:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Classification_of_Thracian&redirect=no#Daco-Thracian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_language
 
Any more information about R-Z280
 
This sentence from the R1a article confused one of the forum members:

R1a-Z280 is also an Balto-Slavic marker, found all over central and Eastern Europe (except in the Balkans)

And it is not surprising he was confused because a part of this particular sentence is not correct. In fact, R-Z280 is more common in the Balkans than any other R1a subclade (including R-M458).
 
Hello. This is my first post. I was referred from another site, because I'm confused about my results: Z280-CTS1211-Y35-CTS3402-Y2613-Y2609-x [Y2608-]. There are so many knowledgeable people here; this must be a boring request. I want it understand what these results mean. It doesn't seem that I have many relatives based on these results. Of course this is from my Y chromosome and my last name is Kaspar. (Also, if someone can help, it appears that the surname, Lesikar, on my maternal side is rare. And, have no idea where it comes from or what it means.) Can anybody help? Thanks.
 
I think I'm in a similar situation. My results are similar to yours, Z280-CTS1211-Y35-CTS3402-Y2613. I'm negative for Y2609 though. I'm on Family Tree DNA but have no matches of Y-DNA in the whole database. It's very confusing. My father's family didn't pass down any info so all we know is that my paternal grandfather was born in Minsk, Belarus, Jan 15, 1894. Anyone have thoughts on what I can/should do at this point?
 
User TK from neighboring Russian forum prepared a map of CTS1211's subclades diversity.
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Hi,I'm Chinese,from Central China.My result is R1a1a1b1a2b3, Z280-CTS1211.I wonder when my ancestor came to China from Europe.
 
Hi,I'm Chinese,from Central China.My result is R1a1a1b1a2b3, Z280-CTS1211.I wonder when my ancestor came to China from Europe.

Wow, man, your Y-DNA is extremely rare for Central China. If youhad R1a-Z93 it could be easily assumed that you descended from one of the Tocharian or Iranian tribes that lived in what is now Western China, but R1a-Z280 is way more expected in Central and Eastern Europe and not very frequent anywhere in Asia as far as I know. It's mostly associated with Balto-Slavic peoples, so I can only imagine for now that your paternal ancestor lived in the Russian or Ukrainian steppe or forest-steppe areas and there he became a part (as a warrior, a slave, a merchant? We'll never know) of one of the far-reaching and very mobile tribal confederacies that often spanned roughly from Russia to Central Asia (Kyrghizstan, perhaps parts of Xinjiang).
 
I m R1a Y2613 and my direct background is northeastern italian(Vicenza Province). Does somebody knows how this ydna came from italy? Goths or some recently migration?
 
Hi,I'm Chinese,from Central China.My result is R1a1a1b1a2b3, Z280-CTS1211.I wonder when my ancestor came to China from Europe.

There is a recent study on Croatian Y-DNA chromosome:

"Genetic heritage of Croatians in the Southeastern European gene pool—Y chromosome analysis of the Croatian continental and Island population (June 2016)"

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajhb.22876/abstract

Results

A high diversity of haplogroups was observed in the overall Croatian sample, and all typical European Y chromosome haplogroups with corresponding clinal patterns were observed. Three distinct genetic signals were identifiable in the Croatian paternal gene pool - I2a1b-M423, R1a1a1b1a*-M558, and E1b1b1a1b1a-V13 haplogroups.

You posses a typical Croatian R1a subclade!


Now take a deep breath...

Marco Polo was born in 1254[9][nb 1] in the Republic of Venice.[10] His exact date and place of birth are archivally unknown.[11][12] Some historians mentioned that he was born on September 15[13][14] but that date is not endorsed by mainstream scholarship.[citation needed] Marco Polo's birthplace is generally considered Venice,[12][15] but also varies between Constantinople[16][12] and the island of Korčula.[17][12][18][19] There is dispute as to whether the Polo family is of Venetian origin, as Venetian historical sources considered them to be of Dalmatian origin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo

Dalmatia is part of Croatia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia


Theoretically, there is a chance that you are descended from Marco Polo! :)
 
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Hi,I'm Chinese,from Central China.My result is R1a1a1b1a2b3, Z280-CTS1211.I wonder when my ancestor came to China from Europe.

Your ancestor by male line was probably Turkic or Scythian (Tocharian).
 
I m R1a Y2613 and my direct background is northeastern italian(Vicenza Province). Does somebody knows how this ydna came from italy? Goths or some recently migration?

Most probably from Dalmatia via Venice. There was a large Croatian colony in Venice in the past.
 
Could be from Dalmatia or even Trieste. But where exctaly Ostroghts settled in Italy? I dont know really if it could be Gothic or recently Croatian cause Y2613 has the MRCA in 4000-3200 years ago, so it is remote and could came with the Goths too. Does somebody have a article with % of Y2613 distribution? Also i will do BIGY for discover more about my direct paternal linage(Santacatterina family).
 
Could be from Dalmatia or even Trieste. But where exctaly Ostroghts settled in Italy? I dont know really if it could be Gothic or recently Croatian cause Y2613 has the MRCA in 4000-3200 years ago, so it is remote and could came with the Goths too. Does somebody have a article with % of Y2613 distribution? Also i will do BIGY for discover more about my direct paternal linage(Santacatterina family).

Some of the Polish nobility from Masovia has that mutation:

https://www.worldfamilies.net/geo/masovian/results

The one you are looking for is called "Carpathian-Croatian" Subclade. One can also notice many brother clades in the area.
 
I m R1a Y2613 and my direct background is northeastern italian(Vicenza Province). Does somebody knows how this ydna came from italy? Goths or some recently migration?

Very possibly Slovenian or Croatian male ancestor, my dear Brazilian brother.
 

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