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here is an ancient sample
of e-v13 branch that yfull finaly put ( there are many others who are much more ancient but they didn't put them )
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y58870/
p.s
i hope e-v13 members here can shed some light on it
it is hungarian ( magyar period ) ????
That isn't really ancient, what is the earliest v13 we have in europe?
Search for yourself instead of asking stupid questions that have been answered.
Based on the questions he posed in the other threads, i can think that he is J2b2 and he hates the fact E-V13 is widespread in the Balkans. He gives me that impression.
I think we have seen this guy plenty of times before.. Did he do a Y-DNA test in the meantime and found out he is J2b2?? :grin:
I know man !!!That isn't really ancient, what is the earliest v13 we have in europe?
V13 is quite low today in Hungarians, it gets bigger the more south/west we go from there
Based on the questions he posed in the other threads, i can think that he is J2b2 and he hates the fact E-V13 is widespread in the Balkans. He gives me that impression.
Haha no, I'm just trying to understand what has happened throughout history
J2b L283 seems more mysterious, along with some balkan r1b these seem like a group who refused to accept other "cultures" and lived isolated in mountains for a long time
This is a brand new theory for me. Since I am always willing to learn, I am very interested to know how someone might even consider such a theory. So E-V13 entered via (todays) Morocco to later disappear there? How does it work exactly?
From Natufian farmers?
It is not easy to read haplogroups in video because it is like in mirror.It looks like most of EIA Thracians from around the region of Svilengrad (Southern Bulgaria) were E-V13, while EBA was dominated by R1b1a2. Weird.
Albanians have diversity of E-V13 Z5018 subclades starting from MBA, and the lack of E-V13 in EBA Bulgaria makes me think rather a spread from Pannonian-Carpathian basin. Much probably the original Urnfield Illyrians had E-V13 too in a combination with Bell Beaker R1b clades, i expect Ancient Macedonians and Dorians to show E-V13 percentages as well.
Guys where can I read more regarding the culture of proto-Illyrians?
Both L283 and V13 seem to predate both Urnfield and Hallstatt especially deep in the Balkans, I am just looking for sources regarding these claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Southeastern_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture <- Not a single mention of Illyrians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture <- It is commonly associated with Proto-Celtic and Celtic populations in the Western Hallstatt zone and with (pre-)Illyrians in the eastern Hallstatt zone.[1][2]
Yet Hallstatt seems a bit late for both L283 and V13.
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