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You can't get closer to Eastern Urnfielders than Classical Illyrians. So, we should expect several different groups during LBA in Balkans.
Ofc only Eastern Urnfield is realistic for younger V13 clades.
Search for non-wikipedia material, there was heavy Urnfield (pre-Hallstat) influence in Illyrian areas. Celtic proper is Western Hallstat and La Tene culture.Guys where can I read more regarding the culture of proto-Illyrians?
Both L283 and V13 seem to predate both Urnfield and Hallstatt especially deep in the Balkans, I am just looking for sources regarding these claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Southeastern_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture <- Not a single mention of Illyrians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture <- It is commonly associated with Proto-Celtic and Celtic populations in the Western Hallstatt zone and with (pre-)Illyrians in the eastern Hallstatt zone.[1][2]
Yet Hallstatt seems a bit late for both L283 and V13.
It is late for "V13", it is not late for E-CTS9320, for E-L241.. For J-L283 it is not only late but impossible to fit into most of J-L283 because of much weaker presence in Carpatho-Pannonian areas.
I just took a look at this site in Bulgaria where J2a1a1b, and I-L702 (per this ISOGG) were found. This is "Yunatsite" culture, first half of the 3rd millenium BC so this is not where E-V13 is to be expected.. Earliest V13 migrants must come little bit later at least..
Interesting below are the R-L52 and R-Z2103 finds from EBA Bulgaria, it would be interesting to see the exact cultural context. They are not from Yunatsite sites.
I'm trying to get more info on these R1b finds. Trying to catch this guy when he's moving and revealing more of the screen.. That way I already got more info.
In any case V13 is stronk later, at the same time taking this and earlier studies with large Neolithic, Chalolithic and Early EBA sample into account, it is clear V13 is not native there in Neolithic/Chalcolitic/Early EBA (2500 BC and before..) as expected looking at the diversity etc.
So the lone Bulgar tested was Q-L53. Not unexpected at all, though I kinda expected Hunnic Q-L712. He was speaking something about the autosomal, and he mostly spoke about Bulgars hg in general.. As he said this study will be published only in 2021 so it's good we've got this info this early. There is ofc still plenty to wait for (BAM files etc.).