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    Pompeii - Life and Death in a Roman Town (Mary Beard)

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    A Place Called Etruria



    (It doesn’t match all the latest info). I Know. :)
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    History of Italy
    A generalized fundamental account

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    The last two links don't work, Salento.

    Mary Beard is always interesting, although she has some idiosyncratic views.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The last two links don't work, Salento.

    Mary Beard is always interesting, although she has some idiosyncratic views.
    Sorry, hope the links are OK now. :)

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    Found this about my mtDNA.
    H12 Birth 3000 B.C.E. Italy
    H12a Birth 600 Italy

    If it’s correct, originated in Italy more than 5000 years ago.

    H12
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...38953a202.html

    H12a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...9c4501140.html

    Main Page with all the mtDNA Haplogroups
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/individuals.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Found this about my mtDNA.
    H12 Birth 3000 B.C.E. Italy
    H12a Birth 600 Italy

    If it’s correct, originated in Italy more than 5000 years ago.

    H12
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...38953a202.html

    H12a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...9c4501140.html

    Main Page with all the mtDNA Haplogroups
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/individuals.html
    interesting ...............mine just says 8000 BCE ...no place....not even europe or asia or
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

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    H12


    ——————

    H12a


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    interesting ...............mine just says 8000 BCE ...no place....not even europe or asia or
    Not all the mtDNA Haplogroups are posted with a complete set of Info. Many have partial details.

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    some mtDNA In Italy
    H10a1a
    H12
    H12a
    H13a2b1
    H13b1
    H13c1a
    H15b
    H1a3a3
    H1ab1
    H1ak
    H1b1a
    H1ba1
    H1e5a
    H29b
    H31
    H3a1
    H3b5
    H3c1
    H3h2a
    H3r1
    H47
    H4a1c1a
    H5a2
    H5u
    H5v
    H6b1
    H70
    H7a1a
    H7b1
    H7c1
    H7c5
    H7h1
    H8a
    H8a1
    H9a
    HV0a
    HV0f
    HV11a
    HV1a'b'c
    HV22
    HV4a1
    HV4c
    I5a1b
    J1b1a3
    J1c10
    J1c1h
    J1d2
    J2a1a2
    J2a2a
    K1a26
    K1c1a
    N1a3a3
    N1b1a4
    T1a1r
    T2b4g
    T2c1a2
    U1b3
    U2e1b2
    U5a2c2
    U5b1b1+T16192C!
    U5b1d1b
    U5b2a1a2
    U5b2a2a1
    U8b1a1
    V1a1b
    W1e1a
    W4c
    X2n

    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...1f3733057.html

    Italy Calabria
    H13a1a2a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...c45821e27.html

    Italian
    U5b3a1a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...d6991158e.html

    Central Italy
    M1a1b1
    U5b3b
    U6a2
    U6a5
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...499d23402.html

    Southern Italy
    M1a3a
    M1b2b
    U5b3g
    U6a1b4
    U6a7a1b
    U6a7a1c
    U6c1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...94a109a4a.html

    Sicily
    U6a5c
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...8df025f43.html

    Sardinia
    H32
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...19934544c.html

    Isle of Elba
    U7b1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...f7f3e5843.html


    More Italian+ variations:
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/places.html

    It’s a work in progress.
    Things may change.
    Hopefully we’ll have a more detail and complete list soon. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    some mtDNA In Italy
    H10a1a
    H12
    H12a
    H13a2b1
    H13b1
    H13c1a
    H15b
    H1a3a3
    H1ab1
    H1ak
    H1b1a
    H1ba1
    H1e5a
    H29b
    H31
    H3a1
    H3b5
    H3c1
    H3h2a
    H3r1
    H47
    H4a1c1a
    H5a2
    H5u
    H5v
    H6b1
    H70
    H7a1a
    H7b1
    H7c1
    H7c5
    H7h1
    H8a
    H8a1
    H9a
    HV0a
    HV0f
    HV11a
    HV1a'b'c
    HV22
    HV4a1
    HV4c
    I5a1b
    J1b1a3
    J1c10
    J1c1h
    J1d2
    J2a1a2
    J2a2a
    K1a26
    K1c1a
    N1a3a3
    N1b1a4
    T1a1r
    T2b4g
    T2c1a2
    U1b3
    U2e1b2
    U5a2c2
    U5b1b1+T16192C!
    U5b1d1b
    U5b2a1a2
    U5b2a2a1
    U8b1a1
    V1a1b
    W1e1a
    W4c
    X2n

    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...1f3733057.html

    Italy Calabria
    H13a1a2a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...c45821e27.html

    Italian
    U5b3a1a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...d6991158e.html

    Central Italy
    M1a1b1
    U5b3b
    U6a2
    U6a5
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...499d23402.html

    Southern Italy
    M1a3a
    M1b2b
    U5b3g
    U6a1b4
    U6a7a1b
    U6a7a1c
    U6c1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...94a109a4a.html

    Sicily
    U6a5c
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...8df025f43.html

    Sardinia
    H32
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...19934544c.html

    Isle of Elba
    U7b1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...f7f3e5843.html


    More Italian+ variations:
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/places.html

    It’s a work in progress.
    Things may change.
    Hopefully we’ll have a more detail and complete list soon. :)
    U2e2a1, I think. It's been a long time since I checked.

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    U2e2a1
    3000 B.C.E.
    No location yet.
    sorry.
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...04cf296dc.html
    In Italy there’s also some around Naples on another site. (Beside North Europe.)
    I’m sure you know that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    U2e2a1
    3000 B.C.E.
    No location yet.
    sorry.
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...04cf296dc.html
    In Italy there’s also some around Naples on another site. (Beside North Europe.)
    I’m sure you know that already.
    Oldest with this marker I seen is in Sogdria in the latest paper ...sample DA125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    some mtDNA In Italy
    H10a1a
    H12
    H12a
    H13a2b1
    H13b1
    H13c1a
    H15b
    H1a3a3
    H1ab1
    H1ak
    H1b1a
    H1ba1
    H1e5a
    H29b
    H31
    H3a1
    H3b5
    H3c1
    H3h2a
    H3r1
    H47
    H4a1c1a
    H5a2
    H5u
    H5v
    H6b1
    H70
    H7a1a
    H7b1
    H7c1
    H7c5
    H7h1
    H8a
    H8a1
    H9a
    HV0a
    HV0f
    HV11a
    HV1a'b'c
    HV22
    HV4a1
    HV4c
    I5a1b
    J1b1a3
    J1c10
    J1c1h
    J1d2
    J2a1a2
    J2a2a
    K1a26
    K1c1a
    N1a3a3
    N1b1a4
    T1a1r
    T2b4g
    T2c1a2
    U1b3
    U2e1b2
    U5a2c2
    U5b1b1+T16192C!
    U5b1d1b
    U5b2a1a2
    U5b2a2a1
    U8b1a1
    V1a1b
    W1e1a
    W4c
    X2n

    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...1f3733057.html

    Italy Calabria
    H13a1a2a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...c45821e27.html

    Italian
    U5b3a1a
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...d6991158e.html

    Central Italy
    M1a1b1
    U5b3b
    U6a2
    U6a5
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...499d23402.html

    Southern Italy
    M1a3a
    M1b2b
    U5b3g
    U6a1b4
    U6a7a1b
    U6a7a1c
    U6c1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...94a109a4a.html

    Sicily
    U6a5c
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...8df025f43.html

    Sardinia
    H32
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...19934544c.html

    Isle of Elba
    U7b1
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/...f7f3e5843.html


    More Italian+ variations:
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/places.html

    It’s a work in progress.
    Things may change.
    Hopefully we’ll have a more detail and complete list soon. :)
    add
    T1a1e for my paternal grandfather
    T2b17 for my father
    K1a4 for my wife and sons
    myself with H95a with also a friuli named Canderan ..............most are swedes though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    U2e2a1
    3000 B.C.E.
    No location yet.
    sorry.
    http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/...04cf296dc.html
    In Italy there’s also some around Naples on another site. (Beside North Europe.)
    I’m sure you know that already.
    Also, far northwest Tuscany (the Lunigiana), Switzerland, and Ireland.

    I can't find the data, but there's also a group in southeastern France.

    It's more rare than U2e1, which seems to be most frequent today in the Baltics.

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    Adding mtDNA U5a2a1b, Campania, Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Adding mtDNA U5a2a1b, Campania, Italy.
    Salento, you can take a look at the U2e2 sheet. Unfortunately, "national" information isn't provided for everyone, but there's one sequence from the Veneto. Of the ones closest to me, the vast majority seem to be from Denmark, so it looks not "Celtic", but Lombard to me. (Interestingly enough, I get a third cousin or higher match in Denmark on 23andme and we have no connections within a genealogical time frame). Maybe a flow to Britain and Italy from around Switzerland still makes sense, although it might have arrived in Switzerland originally via "Germanic" tribes in the first millennium BC.

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

    KY399182(Italy: Veneto) Olivieri2017

    It's pretty funny how I'm constantly being berated on the grounds that my analysis is somehow tied to my ethnicity, and that's why I'm "anti-steppe", or "anti-Northern European" in their view, when my father's yDna is central European/Italo-Celtic, and my mtDna is northern European. :)

    As I've said, however, logic is not a lot of people's strong suit.

    Oh, for anyone looking it up, there's no Sogdria: it's Sogdia which he meant.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia

    Now I understand why I was getting mtDna hits all the way into China. U2e2 apparently spread west, east and south from the steppe with the original "Iranian" tribes like Andronovo/Sintashta etc. Those steppe groups carrying it who went west are probably the reason I still get that trace .2% East Asian on practically every calculator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    H12


    ——————

    H12a


    —————
    https://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l1...r/r0/hv/h/h12/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Salento, you can take a look at the U2e2 sheet. Unfortunately, "national" information isn't provided for everyone, but there's one sequence from the Veneto. Of the ones closest to me, the vast majority seem to be from Denmark, so it looks not "Celtic", but Lombard to me. (Interestingly enough, I get a third cousin or higher match in Denmark on 23andme and we have no connections within a genealogical time frame). Maybe a flow to Britain and Italy from around Switzerland still makes sense, although it might have arrived in Switzerland originally via "Germanic" tribes in the first millennium BC.

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

    KY399182(Italy: Veneto) Olivieri2017

    It's pretty funny how I'm constantly being berated on the grounds that my analysis is somehow tied to my ethnicity, and that's why I'm "anti-steppe", or "anti-Northern European" in their view, when my father's yDna is central European/Italo-Celtic, and my mtDna is northern European. :)

    As I've said, however, logic is not a lot of people's strong suit.

    Oh, for anyone looking it up, there's no Sogdria: it's Sogdia which he meant.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia

    Now I understand why I was getting mtDna hits all the way into China. U2e2 apparently spread west, east and south from the steppe with the original "Iranian" tribes like Andronovo/Sintashta etc. Those steppe groups carrying it who went west are probably the reason I still get that trace .2% East Asian on practically every calculator.
    Haplogroups are dynamic, they don’t follow a straight line.
    They indicate movement of people, and migrations, and members of the same Haplogroup can separate and take different routes.
    They just prove that this or that people were there, are here now, or they just passed by a place long ago.
    Clearly haplogroups are not always associated with Ethnicity, or proof of it.
    IMHO Haplogroups are overrated when people try to prove an ethnicity.
    Their movements were not Static, and are unreliable for a fool proof ethnic estimation.
    It should be made more clear by the DNA testing companies, the multi path an Haplogroup can take, and not associate it to a race or ethnicity, but only as possible, or remote indication of it.
    If one day the researchers solves all this puzzling routes taken by our ancestors, only then we can say for sure.

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    One found in Italy:

    Haplogroup H6a1b is a branch on the maternal tree of human kind. Its age is between 5,700 and 9,400 years (Behar et al., 2012b).

    https://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l1...6a/h6a1/h6a1b/
    One found in Ireland:

    In my case, my maternal line, traced through mitochondrial DNA that I inherited from my mother (thanks Mom!), told me that I’m a sub-type of a lineage called H6a (specifically H6a1b). H6a is is an offshoot of the broader H maternal line and is found at low levels – 4% or less – in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, France, Sweden… and Ireland! So, although it doesn’t completely verify the story, this one branch of my ancestral tree is at least consistent with claims of Irish ancestry on my mother’s side.


    https://blog.23andme.com/23andme-and...rish-ancestry/

    Haplogroup H2b, H6a1b, H13a1a1a and many other undetermined H subclades (including many probable H1 and H5) turned up among the mtDNA samples from the Yamna culture, which occupied the Pontic-Caspian Steppe during the Early Bronze Age. The Corded Ware culture, which is associated with the expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a from the steppes to Central Europe and Scandinavia, yielded samples belonging to H1ca1, H2a1, H4a1, H5a1, H6a1a and H10e. Ancient DNA from the Catacomb culture, strongly associated with Y-haplogroup R1a, yielded samples belonging to H1, H2a1 and H6. The Unetice culture, which is thought to mark the arrival of R1b in Central Europe (but overlapping with the previous R1a expansion), had individuals belonging to H2a1a3, H3, H4a1a1a2, H7h, H11a, H82a. Haplogroup H5a was found in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture and most probably entered the Steppe gene pool by intermarriage.


    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml
    Here's information on my y-dna:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34035-R1b-F1794

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    More in Italy, Croatia, and Bulgaria.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults
    People move and split.
    Just like our Y T.
    How do we explain that?
    We are few, but we are every where. :)

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    - Mine: H1e* (full sequence by FTDNA; no subclade below labeled yet). MDKA in female line from far western of Pordenone province. We already have four or five H1e in ancient DNA from Europe, if my memory serves me correctly.
    - Father: T1b, apparently rare in Europe. Unkown subclade, since 23andMe hasn't tested further. MDKA in female line from northern of Treviso province.
    - My little one: predicted H1h1. 23andMe v4 says H1. It doesn't test the mutation which defines H1h, however, it does test the one that defines H1h1, as per the raw data. MDKA in female line from far western Pordenone province as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's pretty funny how I'm constantly being berated on the grounds that my analysis is somehow tied to my ethnicity, and that's why I'm "anti-steppe", or "anti-Northern European" in their view, when my father's yDna is central European/Italo-Celtic, and my mtDna is northern European. :)
    Finally you figured out his yDna. :) I presume it's R-U152!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Haplogroups are dynamic, they don’t follow a straight line.
    They indicate movement of people, and migrations, and members of the same Haplogroup can separate and take different routes.
    They just prove that this or that people were there, are here now, or they just passed by a place long ago.
    Clearly haplogroups are not always associated with Ethnicity, or proof of it.
    IMHO Haplogroups are overrated when people try to prove an ethnicity.
    Their movements were not Static, and are unreliable for a fool proof ethnic estimation.
    It should be made more clear by the DNA testing companies, the multi path an Haplogroup can take, and not associate it to a race or ethnicity, but only as possible indication of it.
    If one day the researchers solves all this puzzling routes taken by our ancestors, only then we can say for sure.
    I largely agree. However, we're lucky with this particular group because we have very ancient samples present only on one "continent". U2 is Kostenki man. We then find U2 in the European mesolithic. It disappeared in western Europe from what we can tell so far, but survived in the far northeast. In the case of U2e1 and U2e2 we know that these have shown up only in contexts somehow connected with steppe migrations. For this as for all haplogroups, if you know the precise mutations you carry you can get a rough estimate of age and the known samples can give you the general part of the world.

    The precise routes with the precise historical tribes can't really be known, and given it's so long ago, I don't see why people see them as some sign of how they should identify, but that's me. If other people do, fine with me.

    What's really important about mtDna is not ancestry: it's all the trait and health implications.

    Oh, here's Maciamo's analysis:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...U2_mtDNA.shtml

    "Haplogroup U2 is an extremely old lineage, going back at least 40,000 years, when Homo sapiens first expanded from the Middle East into South Asia and Central Asia, and before they even set foot in Europe. Two of the oldest Homo sapiens DNA samples from Europe tested to date, a 37,000 and a 33,000-year old Cro-Magnons from the Kostenki site on the Don River in the Russia, both belonged to haplogroup U2 (see Krause et al. 2010 and Fu et al. 2016). Their paternal lineages were indentified as Y-haplogroups C1b and CT, two Paleolithic lineages that are now believed to be extinct in Europe. Y-haplogroup C was the first to leave Africa and colonise Eurasia 70,000 years ago. C1b still exists today in the Arabian peninsula, in India and in Polynesia (Hawaii, Micronesia, New Zealand). The extremely wide dispersal of Y-DNA haplogroup C and mtDNA haplogroup U2 attest to their antiquity.More U2 samples were identified among other Paleolithic and Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers, including four Gravettian U2* individuals from Goyet Cave in Belgium dating from 22,000 to 24,000 years ago (Posht et al. 2016), a 11,000 year-old U2e from Blätterhöhle in Germany (Bollongino et al. 2013), two 9,500 year-old U2e individuals from Karelia in Russia (Der Sarkissian 2011), and two 8,000 year-old U2e1 individuals from Motala in Sweden (Lazaridis et al. 2014).Based on these ancient DNA results from Europe and the presence of all basal subclades of U2 in Central Asia, it is likely that U2 people roamed between Central Europe and Central Asia during the Paleolithic and Mesolithic, and perhaps already in other parts of Europe and in South Asia. The steppes of eastern Europe and Central Asia are probably the original geographic location from which such a dispersal was made possible during the Stone Age, and again during the Bronze Age.U2 and the Bronze & Iron Age Indo-Europeans

    U2 became much scarcer among European Neolithic samples, only popping up once in an early Linear Pottery sample from Hungary. In the late Copper and early Bronze ages, U2 made a come back among Proto-Indo-Europeans cultures. U2 samples were found in the Yamna culture(U2e1a), Corded Ware culture (U2e1 and U2e2), Unetice culture (U2e1f), as well as the Andronovo culture (U2e) in Central Asia.Proto-Indo-European speakers from eastern Europe had a higher proportion of Mesolithic European ancestry than Neolithic farmers, so it isn't surprising to find a slightly higher frequency of U2e among samples from that period. U2e actually shows up with surprising regularity in ancient samples from Ukraine and European Russia. For example it was also found in Iron Age Scythian remains from Rostov-on-Don in southern Russia. U2e even showed up in Indo-European bones from the Tarim basin in north-west China, also dating from the Iron Age (possibly Scythian or Tocharian), but also at a Xiongnu (Hunnic) site from the same period in Mongolia."


    The only thing that leads me to speculate about Lombards in particular is that my full mito sequence and those of two people from Britain and Switzerland were compared, and based on mutations and mutation rates, we have a common female ancestor in the late first millennium BC according to the "experts" in these things. How the common ancestor would have identified I have no idea, and as I said, it's too long ago and too little a part of my entire genetic make-up for me to worry about it.

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