Italic peoples

The Italic People of Ancient Apulia
Introduction
“... Much has been written about the Greek colonists in Magna Graecia, but there is almost nothing in English about the Iapygians, the Messapians, or the Peucetians, the Italic (non-Greek) people who inhabited Apulia, the vast region of southern Italy that stretches from the tip of the heel up along the Adriatic to the bulge of the Gargano and inland to the Bradano river.
Ancient authors were aware of the often fraught interactions between Italic peoples and Greek colonists.
Herodotus (7.170) could write that the greatest slaughter Greeks ever experienced was when the combined forces of Greeks from Taras and Rhegium were defeated by the Iapygians of Messapia in 473 B.C.E.1 Thucydides (7.33.4) could write of an alliance between Athens and Artas, a chieftain of the Messapians in 413 B.C.E.
Pausanias, in his Description of Greece (10.10.6 and 10.13.10), tells of two fifth century B.C.E. monuments at Delphi set up by the Tarentines to celebrate victories, one over the Messapians, the other over Opis, king of the Iapygians, who was an ally of the Peucetians.
The Italic people of Apulia, however, left no writings of their own and thus they have essentially vanished from history. Our knowledge of them today depends largely on evidence from archaeology, much of which has come to light during the past half century. ...”
 
Every May 1st, the town of Cocullo in Abruzzo carries out a slithery ritual: the Festa dei Serpari or Serpent Festival, which sees locals parade the streets with scores of specially caught snakes.

Handled by specialist handlers called serpari, the snakes are draped around the statue of San Domenico di Sora, the patron saint of Cocullo and protecter against tooth ache – and, handily enough, snake bites.

But the festival is thought to date back further, to before the time of Christianity. Historians believe that the Marsi people who lived in central Italy in ancient times used to worship a serpent goddess, Angitia, who possessed magical powers to control snakes and protect from poison or sickness.

San Domenico, an Umbrian abbot who lived in Cocullo for around seven years around the end of the 10th century, became associated with the rite when he left the town one of his teeth, which is kept as a holy relic to this day in the local church.

Ever since, the faithful have believed in the saint's powers to protect teeth and heal bites. On the morning of the festival, his devotees pull the church's bell rope with their teeth to seek his blessing for their dental health.

The serpari begin preparing for the festival more than a month earlier, catching wild snakes as the winter snow melts and animals begin to venture out. Four types are the most commonly caught: four-lined, Aesculapian, grass and green whip snakes, all of them non-venomous.

The snakes were traditionally kept in clay pots and fattened up on a diet of boiled eggs and mice while they awaited the ritual.

Their handlers bring them to the central square on the day of the festival – traditionally the first Thursday of May, but nowadays every May 1st public holiday – and proudly display them to the public.

Then, at midday, the procession begins: four people carry the statue of San Domenico from the church and the serpari place their snakes on it.

After a procession through the narrow streets, the serpari retrieve their snakes and release them back into the wild – until next year.

https://www.thelocal.it/20180502/pictures-italy-snake-festival-cocullo

The people of Cocullo, in Abruzzo still emulate the traditions of their Marsic ancestors.

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Witches of Benevento

“... The history or legend of the witches of Benevento is folklore dating from at least the 13th century. Its dissemination is one reason for the fame of this Samnite city. The popular belief that Benevento would be the Italian witches' gathering place has abundant implications, blurring the border between reality and imagination. Various writers, musicians, and artists have drawn inspiration from or referred to it.

- Birth of the legend -
Many hypotheses on the birth of the witches' legend exist. It has probably been the synergy of several elements that gave Benevento lasting fame as the "City of Witches."

- The cult of Isis -
For a brief period during Roman times, the cult of Isis, Egyptian goddess of the moon, proliferated in Benevento; also, the emperor Domitian had a temple erected in her honor.

Within this cult Isis was part of a sort of Trimurti: she became identified with Hecate, goddess of the underworld, and Diana, goddess of the hunt. These deities were also connected with magic.

The cult of Isis probably stands on the basis of some elements of paganism that survived in succeeding centuries: the characteristics of some witches can be connected with those of Hecate, and the same term used for witches in Benevento, janara, arguably could be derived from the name of Diana. ...”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches_of_Benevento
 
Witches of Benevento

“... The history or legend of the witches of Benevento is folklore dating from at least the 13th century. Its dissemination is one reason for the fame of this Samnite city. The popular belief that Benevento would be the Italian witches' gathering place has abundant implications, blurring the border between reality and imagination. Various writers, musicians, and artists have drawn inspiration from or referred to it.

- Birth of the legend -
Many hypotheses on the birth of the witches' legend exist. It has probably been the synergy of several elements that gave Benevento lasting fame as the "City of Witches."

- The cult of Isis -
For a brief period during Roman times, the cult of Isis, Egyptian goddess of the moon, proliferated in Benevento; also, the emperor Domitian had a temple erected in her honor.

Within this cult Isis was part of a sort of Trimurti: she became identified with Hecate, goddess of the underworld, and Diana, goddess of the hunt. These deities were also connected with magic.

The cult of Isis probably stands on the basis of some elements of paganism that survived in succeeding centuries: the characteristics of some witches can be connected with those of Hecate, and the same term used for witches in Benevento, janara, arguably could be derived from the name of Diana. ...”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches_of_Benevento

My husband's maternal grandmother was from near Benevento

She also practiced what I guess you could call white witchcraft: removing the malocchio, getting people out of the house by putting brooms behind the door, and on and on.
However, I don't really see a big difference between that and some of the practices even in my own area:

http://www.lunigiana.net/magia/magia1.htm

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storie_e_leggende_della_Lunigiana#La_magia_in_Lunigiana
 
My husband's maternal grandmother was from near Benevento
Vitulano, Gioia Sannitica.
Wondering if this small Towns means anything to Him, or you.

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Vitulano, Gioia Sannitica.
Wondering if this small Towns means anything to Him, or you.

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No, nothing. All I can see from the map is that his Campanian ancestors come from a village further south, and that this town is just about due west of Circello, near which the exiled Liguri were supposedly settled. Fwiw, she was blonde and blue eyed, and I thought it might stem from her being descended in part from them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circello
 
Today is May 8, Traditionally in Italy is La Festa della Mamma. I know that this year is the 13, in Italy too (maybe she didn’t get the “memo”). Call your Mother before she calls you. :( :( :(
Good Luck!
 
Thank you for sharing the Link.
This new found interest on the ancient Apulians is welcome news, especially after this population has been somewhat Neglected by the Academic Communities.

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I just bought the hard cover from Amazon too. :)

The Italic People of Ancient Apulia
New Evidence from Pottery for Workshops, Markets, and Customs

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No problem, I might get it myself sometime.
 
—- Redundant —-

Caligula - Mary Beard

 
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“Can you hear me now?”
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Some of his Relatives are from the Province of Benevento. (believe me :) )

You're going to have to stop being so cryptic and terse in your comments to me. I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 
Pompeii - Life and Death in a Roman Town (Mary Beard)

 
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A Place Called Etruria


(It doesn’t match all the latest info). I Know. :)
 
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History of Italy
A generalized fundamental account

 
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The last two links don't work, Salento.

Mary Beard is always interesting, although she has some idiosyncratic views.
 
The last two links don't work, Salento.

Mary Beard is always interesting, although she has some idiosyncratic views.
Sorry, hope the links are OK now. :)
 
Found this about my mtDNA.
H12 Birth 3000 B.C.E. Italy
H12a Birth 600 Italy

If it’s correct, originated in Italy more than 5000 years ago.

H12
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/2/0/d420cc64a42527b22438953a202.html

H12a
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/ppl/0/4/d420cc64a426af46a49c4501140.html

Main Page with all the mtDNA Haplogroups
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/individuals.html

interesting ...............mine just says 8000 BCE ...no place....not even europe or asia or
 
H12

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H12a

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interesting ...............mine just says 8000 BCE ...no place....not even europe or asia or

Not all the mtDNA Haplogroups are posted with a complete set of Info. Many have partial details.
 
some mtDNA In Italy
H10a1a
H12
H12a
H13a2b1
H13b1
H13c1a
H15b
H1a3a3
H1ab1
H1ak
H1b1a
H1ba1
H1e5a
H29b
H31
H3a1
H3b5
H3c1
H3h2a
H3r1
H47
H4a1c1a
H5a2
H5u
H5v
H6b1
H70
H7a1a
H7b1
H7c1
H7c5
H7h1
H8a
H8a1
H9a
HV0a
HV0f
HV11a
HV1a'b'c
HV22
HV4a1
HV4c
I5a1b
J1b1a3
J1c10
J1c1h
J1d2
J2a1a2
J2a2a
K1a26
K1c1a
N1a3a3
N1b1a4
T1a1r
T2b4g
T2c1a2
U1b3
U2e1b2
U5a2c2
U5b1b1+T16192C!
U5b1d1b
U5b2a1a2
U5b2a2a1
U8b1a1
V1a1b
W1e1a
W4c
X2n

http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/7/5/d420cc3d1d216323c41f3733057.html

Italy Calabria
H13a1a2a
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/7/2/d420cc665286ffc2fbc45821e27.html

Italian
U5b3a1a
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/e/8/d420cd2966f22a73a7d6991158e.html

Central Italy
M1a1b1
U5b3b
U6a2
U6a5
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/2/0/d420cc13ac64359bbf499d23402.html

Southern Italy
M1a3a
M1b2b
U5b3g
U6a1b4
U6a7a1b
U6a7a1c
U6c1
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/a/4/d420cc13bfe7f52efd94a109a4a.html

Sicily
U6a5c
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/3/4/d420cd2d5cd596a4cc8df025f43.html

Sardinia
H32
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/c/4/d420cc64c58d6af2e19934544c.html

Isle of Elba
U7b1
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/plc/3/4/d420cd3b21b3b8e2af7f3e5843.html


More Italian+ variations:
http://www.thecid.com/mtdnatree/places.html

It’s a work in progress.
Things may change.
Hopefully we’ll have a more detail and complete list soon. :)
 
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