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    E-V22 Here...

    Just saying hi to the community. I participated in the Genographic project 2 years ago and later transferred my results to FTDNA.

    I belong to E-V22 on my paternal side and K1A Maternal.

    My parents are Syrian born and bred. Mom has known to lineage to Turkey through her Maternal side.

    Not too much knowledge on my Dads side. Genographic put me in the Egyptian for reference population.

    It would be cool to learn more about V22...

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    welcome Nshukur, there is lots of useful information here http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...1b_Y-DNA.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by nshukur View Post
    Not too much knowledge on my Dads side.
    Genealogical research should be very helpful. But I don't know syrian possibilities. Do Syrians
    have surnames of do they have long history of civil or religious regestry? Are you descent of
    some small tribe or maybe some clan with known history? Even 100-200 years can be usefull.

    One is sure - you are not descendant of Shem, but of Ham. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Genealogical research should be very helpful. But I don't know syrian possibilities. Do Syrians
    have surnames of do they have long history of civil or religious regestry? Are you descent of
    some small tribe or maybe some clan with known history? Even 100-200 years can be usefull.

    One is sure - you are not descendant of Shem, but of Ham. :)
    Hmm interesting questions. Little is known from my Dads side due to the lack of knowledge or history from his great grandfather. There is a theory that he moved from North Lebanon to Syria, converted to Islam and married. I was interested in reading the thread about v22 in which it was mentioned that v22 mutation came from a man in Northern Syria and eventually spread through the phoenicians. Yes Syrians have surnames but not sure about religious registries

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    Quote Originally Posted by nshukur View Post
    Yes Syrians have surnames


    From how long ago?

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    IMO E-V13 and E-V22 are brother clades
    both came from the Nile Valley into SW Asia, maybe some 10.000 years ago.
    later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia
    it would be interesting to know more about you Syrian ancestors

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    IMO E-V13 and E-V22 are brother clades
    both came from the Nile Valley into SW Asia, maybe some 10.000 years ago.
    later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia
    it would be interesting to know more about you Syrian ancestors
    They both stem from M-78 that was born in Egypt 18,000 BP, (Nile valley in North Africa) they must have both followed an eastern route Then they split from Z1919 taking different routes and probably very different locations. I don't think anyone can say the age of split more and more of when the mutations occurred. later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia (what we term the middle east) is quite a good description in my opinion, although E-V22 seems to be also present in East Africa were E-V13 is totally absent. Im not sure if there has been a re-migration to East Africa from SW Asia (or what we term middle east, I find these terminologies confusing)

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    Here is a good chart of distribution of the various subclades


    frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe. This is discussed in more detail below.
    Region Population n E-M78 E-M78* E-V12* E-V13 E-V22 E-V32 E-V65 Study
    Europe     Kosovar Albanians 114 45.60 1.75 43.85 Peričic et al. (2005)
    Europe     Macedonian Arumanians 57 29.82 29.82 Peričic et al. (2005)
    Europe     Serbians 113 20.35 1.77 18.58 Peričic et al. (2005)
    Europe     Croatians 108 5.60 5.60 Peričic et al. (2005)
    Europe     Crete 193 6.7 6.7 King et al. (2008)
    Europe     Greeks from Nea Nikomedeia 57 15.8 1.8 14.0 King et al. (2008)
    Europe     Greeks from Sesklo/Dimini 57 38.6 3.5 35.1 King et al. (2008)
    Europe     Greeks from Lerna/Franchthi 57 35.1 35.1 King et al. (2008)
    Europe     Sicilians 236 11.43 1.27 5.93 3.81 0.42 Di Gaetano et al. (2008)
    Europe     Huelva Andalusians 167 6.59 1.20 4.19 0.60 0.60 Ambrosio et al. (2010)
    Europe     Sicilians 153 13.07 0.65 7.19 4.58 0.65 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Northern Portuguese 50 4 4 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Southern Portuguese 49 4.08 4.08 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Pasiegos from Cantabria 56 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Asturians 90 10 5.56 4.44 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Southern Spaniards 62 3.23 3.23 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Spanish Basques 55 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     French Basques 16 6.25 6.25 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     French 225 4.44 0.44 4 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     English 28 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Danish 35 2.86 2.86 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Germans 77 3.9 3.9 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Polish 40 2.5 2.5 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Czechs 268 4.85 4.85 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Slovaks 24 8.33 8.33 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Slovenians 104 2.88 2.88 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Northern Italians 94 7.45 5.32 2.13 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Central Italians 356 7.87 0.28 5.34 1.97 0.28 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Southern Italians 141 10.64 0.71 8.51 1.42 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Sardinians 374 3.48 0.27 0.27 1.07 0.8 1.07 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Estonians 74 4.05 4.05 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Belarusians 40 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Northern Russians 82 3.66 3.66 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Southern Russians 92 2.17 2.17 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Ukrainians 11 9.09 9.09 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Moldovians 77 7.79 7.79 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Hungarians 106 9.43 9.43 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Rumanians 265 7.55 7.17 0.38 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Macedonians 99 18.18 17.17 1.01 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Continental Greeks 147 19.05 17.69 0.68 0.68 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Greeks from Crete 215 6.51 0.93 5.58 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Greeks from Aegean Islands 71 16.9 15.49 1.41 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Bulgarians 204 16.67 0.49 16.18 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Europe     Albanians 96 32.29 32.29 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Moroccan Arabs 55 40 3.64 7.27 29.09 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Asni Berbers 54 3.7 3.7 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Bouhria Berbers 67 1.49 1.49 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Moyen Atlas Berbers 69 10.14 10.14 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Marrakech Berbers 29 6.9 3.45 3.45 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Moroccan Jews 50 12 2 2 8 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northwestern Africa     Mozabite Berbers 20 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Libyan Jews 25 8 4 4 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Libyan Arabs 10 20 20 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Northern Egyptians (Delta) 72 23.61 5.56 1.39 13.89 2.78 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Egyptian Berbers 93 6.45 2.15 4.3 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Egyptians from Bahari 41 41.46 14.63 2.44 21.95 2.44 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Egyptians from Gurna Oasis 34 17.65 5.88 8.82 2.94 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Northeastern Africa     Southern Egyptians 79 50.63 44.3 1.27 3.8 1.27 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Dinka 26 15.38 3.85 11.54 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Shilluk 15 13.33 13.33 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Nuer 12 16.67 16.67 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Borgu 26 15.38 3.85 11.54 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Nuba 28 25 3.57 3.57 7.14 10.71 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Masalit 32 71.88 3.13 15.63 53.13 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Fur 32 59.38 18.75 40.63 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Nubians 39 15.38 12.82 2.56 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Fulani 26 34.62 30.77 3.85 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Hausa 32 3.13 3.13 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Copts 33 15.15 15.15 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Beja 42 35.71 4.76 30.95 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Gaalien 50 18.00 6.00 6.00 6.00 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Meseria 28 14.29 3.57 10.71 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Arakien 24 16.67 8.33 4.17 4.17 Hassan et al. (2008)
    Eastern Africa     Amhara 34 8.82 8.82 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Ethiopian Jews 22 9.09 9.09 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Mixed Ethiopians 12 33.33 25 8.33 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Borana/Oromo (Kenya/Ethiopia) 32 40.63 40.63 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Wolayta 12 16.67 8.33 8.33 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Somalia 23 52.17 4.35 47.83 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Nilotic from Kenya 18 11.11 11.11 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Bantu from Kenya 28 3.57 3.57 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Western Africa 123 0.81 0.81 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Central Africa 150 0.67 0.67 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Eastern Africa     Southern Afric 105 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Istanbul Turkish 35 8.57 2.86 5.71 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Southwestern Turkish 40 2.5 2.5 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Northeastern Turkish 41 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Southeastern Turkish 24 4.17 4.17 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Erzurum Turkish 25 4 4 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Central Anatolian 61 6.56 1.64 4.92 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Turkish Cypriots 46 13.04 10.87 2.17 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Sephardi Turkish 19 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Palestinians 29 10.34 3.45 6.9 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Druze Arabs 28 10.71 10.71 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Bedouin 28 3.57 3.57 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Syrians 100 2 2 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Kurds from Iraq 20 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Arabs from United Arab Emirates 40 2.5 2.5 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Omanite 106 0.94 0.94 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Adygei 18 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Western Asia     Azeri 97 2.06 2.06 Cruciani et al. (2007)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68

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    and here is a distribution map for E-V68

    E1b1b1a.jpg

    I agree, IMO E-V68 and E-M78 originated in Nubya, Nile Valley which was populated since 19000 y BP :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfan_culture

    it was followed by Qadan culture :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadan_culture

    but the Nile changed and some tribes started moving north

    if you want to know what happened to the Nile :

    https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j...89381419,d.d24

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post

    I agree, IMO E-V68 and E-M78 originated in Nubya, Nile Valley which was populated since 19000 y BP :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfan_culture

    it was followed by Qadan culture :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadan_culture

    but the Nile changed and some tribes started moving north

    if you want to know what happened to the Nile :

    https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j...89381419,d.d24
    Thanks Bicicleur, very interesting

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    V22 is a brother clade of V13, along with V12 and V65.

    V22 is found in North and East africa, in small amounts in Europe. According to Wikipedia.
    It's found in Sicillians at small percentages, and could have entered europe that way.

    Simplified tree:
    M35>V68>M78>V22

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