expansion of E-V13 : a mystery

[Pip]

If you throw water in the middle of a crossroad soon its gonna cover all the streets meeting there, as each passing car picks up and moves some drops along its way. So I think its likely that it spread many times over and over, with each passing migration, not necessarily only in the Bronze Age. As for the initial expansion, I'm guessing one of the Central Europe/North Balkans cultures that were later at least partially indo-europeanized might have carried it. Which E-V13 subclades are you associating with those R ones you mentioned?

I would say that nearly all E-V13 people would have had significant admixture with R people by the end of the third millennium BC. As is also the case with R, expansion in V13 looks to have been fairly rapid and diverse by this point, making the data difficult to decipher. E-L17 is perhaps one of the clearest subclades, looking like a move of V13 Northwards into Germany, probably along with some predominantly R1b populations.

 

[markod]

Apparently this sample from Moldova falsely classified as R1b was E-V13:

scy197* Glinoe Scythian 2885 - 2632 BCE XY U5a1a1

The authors ofthe paper claim the date is unreliable however.