Your agenda? To oversize the germanic role in Southern Europe.
Overemphasize the role of Germanics in Southern Europe??? Are you serious? What planet are you living in? So you think Germans did little to develop the cultures of Europe?
In fact this silly debate about Goths and Germans began by accident. If you bother to read my introduction to this post I was trying to increase my knowledge of the genetic composition of the Iberian peninsula. I was only interested in 1) what kind of DNA the Celts, Iberians, Basques had, how they might be related, and what was the "true" genetic composition of the Germanics. That is all. Virtually no one here knows anything about it. Maciamo makes vague claims about the Germanics by giving them a 1-10% of the total DNA and he totally ignores the Iberians. Others know absolutely nothing about them. But then I began to get these messages from ignorant persons that claimed the Goths had virtually zero contribution to the Iberian DNA or that they were very mixed, blah blah blah. All I did is to try to reeducate them, but no, guys like Drac, who have some weird complex, tries to constantly prove that he was right, for example, as far as population, he erroneously believed that there were 7 million Iberians during the 8th century (this was the figure from the height of the Roman Empire). Then after I proved to him that, yes 4-5 million is a closer figure, he stubbornly disagreed and went on to the history of the Goths, which by the way he is weak but does not acknowledge, and the argument has keep going on and on until now.
The Germans did contribute immensely in the development of the culture of Europe, especially in Spain (less in Portugal), France, and England. Only in Italy was it less. Either way the Germans ruled your country for 1,000 years (the Ostrogoths, Lombards, Franks, HRE, and Normans) either directly or indirectly. Most of the Italian high nobility was descended from Germans. Plus the Germans introduced the Gothic cathedral, the feudal order, and helped make Catholic religion the dominant religion in Europe (and throughout they helped keep alive the classical knowledge of the Greeks and Romans). In short, the Germans are responsible for creating the culture of the Middle Ages in Europe.
The only drawback to the Germans is in allowing the Pope and Catholicism to get too much power -- The Donation of Constantine, for example -- and in turn made Europeans more stupid. Had the Franks not converted to Catholicism and adopted Arianism (which is more logical) and forced the ignorant population to become more rational instead of mystical, Europe might have had a Renaissance much earlier. But alas the ugly head of ignorance always pops up and threatens societies when you least expect it.
As far as the Goths in Iberia, they kept the Muslims in check and eventually reconquered all of the Iberian peninsula (and ethnically cleansed the Muslim population). Of course the common Goths lost their identity because they had to mix with the Celts, Basques, and whatever Iberio-Romans were left in the north in order to survive and became "Leonese, Castilians, and Aragonese." Either way they did contribute to the development of Iberia and eventually of Southern Europe. For example, they created a centralized government and were tolerant of others. Only the Church made intolerance possible (for example, the case with the Jews and heretics).
For your information if it wasn't for Germans Europe would have been speaking Arabic and worshiping Allah. If it wasn't for the Goths in Iberia and the Franks in France your ancestors would have been conquered very easily (in fact, the Arabs conquered Sicily and parts of S. Italy).
So is this overstating the Germanic role?
