Y-DNA of Arbereshe vs Albanians vs Southern Italians

[Johane Derite]

It seems the Arbereshe represent one end of the scale (southern), and the Ghegs the other end (northern), with the Tosks fitting perfectly in the middle. EV13, J2b, R1b-L51*, are highest in Ghegs, but lowest in Arbereshe. I2, R1a, R1b-M269*, are highest in Arbereshe, they are lowest in Ghegs. Tosks are almost always in the middle.Ironically, southern European markers like EV13 and J2b are a lot higher in northern Ghegs, while northern European markers like I1, I2a2 and R1a are higher in Arbereshe. It's fascinating to see how low EV13 and J2b are in Arbereshe that mark the typical Albanian populations. The high ExV13 shows that they have mixed with other populations.

Yeah, true!

Can anyone help me make sense of this: "The high ExV13 shows that they have mixed with other populations." Since the guy who originally made the comment is banned maybe you
know Pax since you replied?

 

[Ownstyler]

Very interesting results for haplogroups. This is what I got as far as the percentage of the most frequent haplogroups, all samples are on table S3:

Gheg Albanians:
E-V13: 38%
J2b: 25%
R1b-L51 xP311: 12%
R1b-M269 xL51: 4.2%
I2a-xM26,M223: 3.3%
R1a-M17: 2.5%
I1-M253: 3.3%

Tosk Albanians:
E-V13: 29%
J2b: 12%
R1b-L51 xP311: 8%
R1b-M269 xL51: 6%
I2a-xM26,M223: 11.5%
I2a-M223: 5%
R1a-M17: 6%
I1-M253: 3.8%

Arbereshe Albanians (Southern Italy):
E-V13: 15%
J2b: 3%
R1b-L51 xP311: NONE
R1b-M269 xL51: 8%
I2a-xM26, M223: 10%
I2a-M223: 10%
R1a-M17: 10%
E1b-xV13: 13%
I1-M253: 5.3%

Trojet Thank you for the haplogroup info. Unfortunately I don't know how to do what you have done, so I would ask you if you could do the same for the Arvanite groups from the same study? I am very interested to know how the compare since they left Albania even earlier than the Arbereshe.

Thank you!

 

[Trojet]

Trojet Thank you for the haplogroup info. Unfortunately I don't know how to do what you have done, so I would ask you if you could do the same for the Arvanite groups from the same study? I am very interested to know how the compare since they left Albania even earlier than the Arbereshe.
Thank you!

They didn't include any Arvanites in this study, nor have I seen any Arvanite Y-DNA study.

While we're at this specific study, the results I have posted over two years ago, are based on what the paper reported. It seems they have messed up some SNPs for R1b haplogroup, perhaps lab error. So in the case of Gheg and Tosk Albanians, according to STR analysis, the vast majority of R1b is actually R1b-BY611(xL51).

 

[Eldritch]

Very curious the presence of Germanic Y-DNA among Tosk Albanian speakers.

I- M253 - 3.85%
I- M253* - 3.85%
I- M223 - 4.81%

More than 10% which is not typical for southern europe at all.

 

[blevins13]

Very curious the presence of Germanic Y-DNA among Tosk Albanian speakers.

I- M253 - 3.85%
I- M253* - 3.85%
I- M223 - 4.81%

More than 10% which is not typical for southern europe at all.

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[Angela]

Very curious the presence of Germanic Y-DNA among Tosk Albanian speakers.

I- M253 - 3.85%
I- M253* - 3.85%
I- M223 - 4.81%

More than 10% which is not typical for southern europe at all.

It depends on the area. I don't know if you've seen the tables in the thread on the Grugni et al paper on Italian yDna.

The DiGaetano results are in post 30, the Boattini paper results are in post 35, and the Grugni data is post 41.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...sults-from-Italy/page2?highlight=dna+Italians

It's extremely variable in Italy.

 

[Ownstyler]

They didn't include any Arvanites in this study, nor have I seen any Arvanite Y-DNA study.

Sorry, it seems they just had two Greek samples. I thought I read they are Arvatnites but I guess I was mistaken.

 

[Maca]

The ydna "E" lineages were already in the more western Balkans areas in 5000 BC!

Could you direct to me to at least one research that has found E-V13 PRESENCE in western Balkans 5000BC?

 

[Ownstyler]

Could you direct to me to at least one research that has found E-V13 PRESENCE in western Balkans 5000BC?

She said "E" not "E-V13". E-V13 didn't happen until 5700 BC and its TMRCA is at 2800 BC, so it's unlikely anyone will find remains of E-V13 from before that date, anywhere. E1b, on the other hand, was found in Croatia in remains dated around 5400 BC (Methieson et al 2017).