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    Do we know the distribution of Italian EV 13 members? (Z5017, Z5018 and other?)

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    People, please don't encourage this...


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    I don't understand.....

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    From Greece we know that in the North the Z5017 is the common, but in South Greece the Z5018 is the common EV13 subclade. This means that, among the "classical" greek's main EV-13 branch was the Z5018, but among the thracians and the makedons it was the Z5017.

    Similar data are also interested in other countries (for example Italy) from which we can learn more about our EV 13 family.

    I would also interested in Garibaldi's exact subgroup. He was a ligurian if I knew it well.

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    sono in alto mare in giro. Avrebbero ricostruito l'analisi precedente, dove al massimo abbiamo raggiunto il V13. Personalmente provengo dall'area ligure, sono positivo per cts 5856 e negativo sia per Z5017 che per Z5018. Ho un amico in Piemonte che positivo per Z5017 e precisamente EBY4281.
    Deve ancora essere scritto. Ci vorr un po 'di tempo.

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    liguri v13

    Quote Originally Posted by ELIOV13 View Post
    sono in alto mare in giro. Avrebbero ricostruito l'analisi precedente, dove al massimo abbiamo raggiunto il V13. Personalmente provengo dall'area ligure, sono positivo per cts 5856 e negativo sia per Z5017 che per Z5018. Ho un amico in Piemonte che è positivo per Z5017 e precisamente EBY4281.
    Deve ancora essere scritto. Ci vorrà un po 'di tempo.

    “sono in alto mare in giro” ???
    Maybe you made a mistake.
    That’s not how we usually say it.

    More or less this is how we say it:
    Giro in Alto Mare.
    Sto Girando in Alto Mare,
    Sto Girovagando in Alto Mare,
    Sperduto in Alto Mare,
    Perso in Alto Mare,
    Sto in Alto Mare,
    Mi trovo in Alto Mare,
    Mi sto perdendo in Alto Mare,
    .........., .....
    (meaning: I’m unable to find what I’m looking for, I’m clueless, I’m Lost, ...)

    Angela said not to encourage this, is that why you are not writing in English?
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    No, I'm sorry. It was a mistake in the translation. I mean to say that, unfortunately, in an important nation like Italy, they have not yet reached deep levels. And therefore, so many options are still open in order to know better the story of the descendants of our ancestors V13.The interest is still always high and, I hope, to be able to better understand by more competent people. Good day.

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    Grazie, se ci sono nuovi, risultati più accurati, per favore fatemelo sapere.

    Thanks, if there are new, more accurate results please let me know.

    Can we know Garibaldi's exact subgroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzmosi View Post

    Can we know Garibaldi's exact subgroup?
    Garibaldi didn't do SNP's yet but he is 100 % E-FGC11450. Not sure yet which clade under. In Liguria there is a concentration of FGC11450 especially in La Spezia. In study "The Greeks in the West genetic signatures of the Hellenic colonisation in southern Italy and Sicily" on a sample of 43 no less than 5 seem to be FGC11450 so 11.6 % of FGC11450 there.
    To confirm this there is another Italian from Genova that seems FGC11450.

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    Well, so much for all that discussion about how the y chromosome determines men's looks. He looks like an American Civil War general.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzmosi View Post
    Grazie, se ci sono nuovi, risultati più accurati, per favore fatemelo sapere.

    Thanks, if there are new, more accurate results please let me know.

    Can we know Garibaldi's exact subgroup?
    How can we know? That Giuseppe Garibaldi is E-V13 is an assumption based on the self-report data of someone with same surname in FTDNA.


    Anyway this Garibaldi on FTDNA is listed as E-M35, not as E-V13. Has it been changed? Or has it always been so?


    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    How can we know? That Giuseppe Garibaldi is E-V13 is an assumption based on the self-report data of someone with same surname in FTDNA.
    I don't know about their genealogical links, but Garibaldi did descend from Genova, and other than this Garibaldi there is another haplotype that seems to be of same clade from Genova (90196), without surname. Yet they are 17/67 indicating relatively longer presence of FGC11450 in Liguria. Definitely at least late antiquity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Anyway this Garibaldi on FTDNA is listed as E-M35, not as E-V13. Has it been changed? Or has it always been so?


    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    It is probably an old designation, as he never tested SNP's but from today's perspective when we know which STR values determine many clades, it can be said with certainty that as he has dys617=11 (slow mutating, typical value for all FGC11451+, modal for V13 is 13) and GATAH4=10 (typical for FGC11451>FGC11450), he basically is FGC11451+ and also highly likely FGC11450+, considering that a bunch of other Ligurian haplotypes also have GATAH4=10. Additionally there are two other Italian likely FGC11450 on ftdna, there is also one on Yfull one FGC11450* from the large Cagliari sample, might be related to some of them.

    Not sure what the mystery of this clades presence in Liguria is, but one might study the past of La Spezia for some clues as it seems most common there.

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    Could anyone explain how, if the main E1b subclade found in Liguria is V13, Napoleon ended up in subclade M34 when his oldest known ancestor apparently came from southern Liguria?

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