liguri v13

[Pax Augusta]

Grazie, se ci sono nuovi, risultati più accurati, per favore fatemelo sapere.

Thanks, if there are new, more accurate results please let me know.

Can we know Garibaldi's exact subgroup?

How can we know? That Giuseppe Garibaldi is E-V13 is an assumption based on the self-report data of someone with same surname in FTDNA.


Anyway this Garibaldi on FTDNA is listed as E-M35, not as E-V13. Has it been changed? Or has it always been so?


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults

 

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How can we know? That Giuseppe Garibaldi is E-V13 is an assumption based on the self-report data of someone with same surname in FTDNA.

I don't know about their genealogical links, but Garibaldi did descend from Genova, and other than this Garibaldi there is another haplotype that seems to be of same clade from Genova (90196), without surname. Yet they are 17/67 indicating relatively longer presence of FGC11450 in Liguria. Definitely at least late antiquity.

Anyway this Garibaldi on FTDNA is listed as E-M35, not as E-V13. Has it been changed? Or has it always been so?


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults

It is probably an old designation, as he never tested SNP's but from today's perspective when we know which STR values determine many clades, it can be said with certainty that as he has dys617=11 (slow mutating, typical value for all FGC11451+, modal for V13 is 13) and GATAH4=10 (typical for FGC11451>FGC11450), he basically is FGC11451+ and also highly likely FGC11450+, considering that a bunch of other Ligurian haplotypes also have GATAH4=10. Additionally there are two other Italian likely FGC11450 on ftdna, there is also one on Yfull one FGC11450* from the large Cagliari sample, might be related to some of them.

Not sure what the mystery of this clades presence in Liguria is, but one might study the past of La Spezia for some clues as it seems most common there.

 

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Could anyone explain how, if the main E1b subclade found in Liguria is V13, Napoleon ended up in subclade M34 when his oldest known ancestor apparently came from southern Liguria?