Gedrosian+Caucasian - a single admixture?

[Alan]

It's that map
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Gedrosia basically peaks in Balochi territory. Balochistan which was always considered part of the Iranian plateau. Modern state borders do not really play a significant role for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan

The same with Caucasus it peaks in West/Northwest Caucasus and is stretched too far into Northeast Caucasian territory (where Gedrosia has another peak at almost 30%).

 

[Alan]

Btw, do we have 12k for Turkish early farmer? Does he show any Caucasus/Gedrosia?

As a side note Gedrosia shows up in Mesolithic EHGs if I am not mistaken. Long before iron age.

This is why I am saying that R1b and R1a are connected to a pre EHG component which is close to Gedrosia. It doesn't need to be Gedrosia proper but it's a component very similar to it and probably formed Gedrosia. In every ancient R1 and R2 population (expect for maybe the Iberian Neolithic sample) you find a signficant portion of Gedrosia. And since the Iberian Neolithic farmer with R1b V88 had no Gedrosia but Caucasus it seems to me very plausible that this Haplogroup went there from a contact region or even place of common origin of these Caucasus and Gedrosia components.

 

[Hauteville]

Gedrosia basically peaks in Balochi territory. Balochistan which was always considered part of the Iranian plateau. Modern state borders do not really play a significant role for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan

The same with Caucasus it peaks in West/Northwest Caucasus and is stretched too far into Northeast Caucasian territory (where Gedrosia has another peak at almost 30%).

It's a map made by anthrogenica's users not by me.

 

[Hauteville]

Gedrosia peaks in the Southeastern corner of the Iranian Plateau (Balochistan in Western Asia). But take in mind where a component peaks nowadays is not where it originates. Balochis are a NW Iranic speaking tribe and in combination to their oral stories of coming from Kurdistan It seems very likely that this component had it's peak somewhere here.

These are Balochis?
https://camel4all.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/balochi-music-pipe.jpg

 

[Alan]

These are Balochis?
https://camel4all.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/balochi-music-pipe.jpg

Yes, Balochis usually look like Kurds with a significant Indian type admixture in their look. Since they have something between 10-23% (depending on the Calculator) Indian admixture in them from Indian Muslims who fled from India to Balochistan. There is also a very small minority of people of Sub Saharan(among the Makrani group) among the Balochi.

Here some Balochis from Pakistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw0lHUomjWI

 

[Tomenable]

Thanks for all the responses guys!

 

[MOESAN]

I gave my points (non identity between Caucasus and Gedrosia, at the origin) in another thread (maybe in a thread about Corded and today Balts). If of some use.

 

[MOESAN]

effectively, a more Northern position than today Baluchistan, somewhere in southern Steppes or North the Hindu Kush...