Religion Can Muslims live peacefully with Christians, and vice versa?

[Rethel]

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Ok, as you say so... so I answer you later

 

[Rethel]

you are wrong,

search better,
my Gods are alive and rulling the world,
only you can not see them, blinded by monotheists,
but you still pray to them, hope for their help, and wait their right desicions,

Reptilians? etrified:

your God can see all, but his justice is blind, and carries a διστομος ρομφαια (double cut sword/knife), search why?

Why? To kill all pagans and unbilivers of course!

and my culture is not dead,

Only, becasue christians did not do the same with you as Muslims are doing.
Ottomans did not preserve your pagan culture, but westerners did...

at least search why christians drink wine in their ultimate mystery, as a symbol of christ blood (not Bakchos!!!) although it was cursed by Noah, and the house of Ρηχαβιτων (Rehab) in your old testament.

Yes, we drink wine as a sumbol of Christ blood - and what?
I have no idea where you read about cursing the wine by Noah or Rechabites...
Noah was drunk, and Rechabites (non-Israelites) simply did not drink it...

the grape field of God, as told in your new testament

It is even better: And the winepress are trodden without the city, and
there came out blood from the winepress, even unto the bridles of the
horses, as far as a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

but not he

Drunkard, junkie, madman who was eatan by his mother and after that was born from the leg of Zeus? etrified:

or you prefer this

A perfect man, Son of God, some one who die for me?
Of course...

instead of this

Insted of guy who is only a statue which
couldn't defend his cult and himself? Of course

oh yes the Seleykids,
Didn't you did the same to the american originals?
Didn't you force them to christianity?
NO CHRISTIANS GAVE ENLIGHTMENT TO NATURE AMERICANS,
THEY DID NOT FORCE THEM TO CHANGE RELIGION, NEITHER EXTERMINATED THEM,

You was claiming, that christians did some things,
so I rememberd you, what your brothers did.
Dont repeat yourself...

nd you still talk about Seleukids, and just forgot what followed after the discovery of America,
in the name of your monotheistic GOD

I guess, that you would like allow Indians to sacriface people for their imaginary gods...

I hope I gave you an answer on how alive is my religion,

It is still dead... as was last 1500 years...
Even Julian Apostate couldnt help you...

even today, 2000 years after,
but mine is still alive, and active,

Have you a conntact with demons?etrified:

time to regreat your sins, and come to old religion to liberate you,

So, in your pagan belives you have a concept of sin even... wow...
So, your gods probably are sinners... they did so many awfull things...

monotheists only want to enslave you, through the 'law'

But you can do, whatever you wish...

Lebrok if you want you can move that, away from thread
simply could not resist the challenge of christians,

This challange is so weak... :sad-2:

 

[Fire Haired14]

There is no tolerance for intolerant people on Eupedia. I'm predicting it is only a matter of time till your next ban.

There's no reason to ban him. He hasn't been intolerant at all.

 

[Rethel]

According to new title of the thread, I must say, that only one possible way to live with muslims in peace is maximum
1% of muslims among christian society. As it was in Poland for example for many centuries... Every another propotion
leads to conflict because Muslims imitate Mohammed. When he had maximum 100-150 followers during first 12 years of
his so called prophethood, then he was very nice guy. But when he IMMIGRATED and had some big minority he very quick
during two-three years gain majority, and after that no Jew was living in Jathrib any longer. Jews were abot 1/2 of the
population. Three tribes: first go on his own to rescue their life, second was bannishd and after that enslaved in their new
residance, third one had less luck, because 800-900 men were beheded, children were converted to islam, and women were
enslaved as sex-slaves. After that period, when this guy was dying (luckily, was poisoned by jewish [sic!] women [sic!] so,
according to muslim belives he should burn in hell now... ) all Arabia was muslimized, and when the people wanted after
his death go away from Islam, because new religion was boring them, and Mohammed, who was threatening them was dead,
then Abu-Bakr killed thousands of them... and since then noone in Arabia was never ever even thinking about refusing Islam.
Every one knows, what happedned later with naieghbouring countries... they all became a muslim countries...

So, it is not possible to live in peace with muslims. Becasue they have such a theology, and if you
die during jihad you have not only granted paradise and 70 virgins (or grapes) plus some divine boys,
but you can get with you 70 cousins...

 

[Rethel]

There's no reason to ban him. He hasn't been intolerant at all.

Don't worry, he is working very hard to make from me an intolerant person...
If he cannot do this, he's giving me infractions titled: dissrupting/provocating
behavior... It is so silly... at least he can banned me as a racist, because for
him everything is racist - and everyone who dare do not share his wonderfull
views about Brave New World...

 

[LeBrok]

There's no reason to ban him. He hasn't been intolerant at all.

I'm just hoping he can grow up like you did.

 

[Rethel]

Do you wish they were dead or didn't exist at all?

I would prefer them to convert to christianity. Then will be no problem with them

You mean you don't want "them" to teach your kids tolerance, inclusiveness and compassion.

Do you wish muslims teach your children that Islam is the only true view on the world?

Tolerance form islamic point of view...
Inclusivness with Ummah...
Compassion of Allah who is most compationate?

Right, for you every Muslim is jihadist.

Not every muslim. But every jihadist is a muslim.
Btw, why you love so much muslims, but hate christians?

Did Jesus said "There should be only Christians in my neighborhood?

Jesus said: go, and make all nations my followers.
Did not have said: allow muslims to convert my followers.
Did not have said: make higher the probability that your neighbour will be killed.

Give an example of banning Christian beliefs in Europe.

You are joking, right?

So they won't be mental handicaps like you.

And you are always saying that you are for freedom. So why you want to take this freedom from others? Are you a hypocyte?

ude, are you afraid of a knowledge? Are your kids stupid enough not to figure out what is good for them, what works or not? How will they exercise the free will without any temptation?

Why you want use totalitarian method's to promote your views - especially to people who do not wish that? This is your freedom?

People like you burn books with different way of thinking.

But all this books were and are availbe until this day...

Guess what, Muslim fundamentalists like ISIS don't let kids to learn about evolution and atheism either.

But you want do the same thing. You do not allow learn about God and creation in school.
They forced to learn Islam, and you want forced everyone to lern evolution and atheism.

As I noticed before, you are exactly made of the same clay.

So you are from the same clay...

I have no problem with my kids learning everything,

Would you be so glad if they will be learn about pedophile, bestiality aso?

Christianity included, and making their own choices in life.

Learnig christianity and learning about christianity - it is two different things...
btw, this are only words, because your behavior is telling something else.

What did they do good for Polish people?

Nothing, but they were motivated by your philosophy.
They were primarly onest according to what they belived...

They were intolerant racist psychopaths.

Exactly as present day nihilists are...

Are you for real?!!! I think you have a big psychological problem if you see a cannibal and rapist in every not "true" Christian.

Do they not want live?

This was your argument.

Of course, because inclusively all people can go to hell black, white, rich, poor, straight and homosexuals. Hell is for everyone, same as heaven.

He was the one who broke the law, was hated by priests and was killed for this.

He never broke the law.
At least he was broking tradition.
This is not the same.

As I see from this couple of sentences about Jesus, you do not know the Bible.
You maybe know some version of sectarian theology - but it is not the same.

Please, cite Christs saying that homosexuality is a sin.

This is a stupid question, because Jesus in recordings is not talking about everything.
But he said that he came to fullfill the law - in the law, which he was fullfiling was death
penalty for homosexual behavior, and his apostles were preaching against this behavior.

On other hand, he said that slaves should obey masters. So maybe all "true" Christians should have slaves?

Of course, from the biblical point of view there is nothing wrong with having a slave.
The only exclusion is this, that hebrew slave in hebrew owner should be a slave only
6 years (BUT if he wanted he can be a slave whole his life) and that kidnaping a free
citizen is a crime with death penalty. And a slave must be good treated, and if he
escape - he cannot be return to his owner. Slavery this is not sadism as you imagine.

How do you know that your faith is the only true one?

Because I read the Bible.
My faith is not this what you mean.
I belive only that God exists (or rather I am cetain of that).
I do not belive in nothing else, in the sens of "faith".
Everything else is a knowledge and deduction.

Would you be a Christian if you were born in Saudi Arabia?

Probably not, but if I would be true beliver and onest with myself, I would go
to the Bible - as Koran teaches - and I would see, that this is a very different
text. Then I would refuse Islam, as I did twice in my life with others religions.

You would be a devoted conservative Sunni Muslim, probably fighting for ISIS now. Knowing your character, killing and raping the unfaithful.

If someone is beliving in Islam, and Islam teaches such a thing, then he probably would.
But, on my opinion, beliving in Islam is impossible, becasue this religion is anulating itself
very well. They belive in many so absurde things... and Koran is so empty book, that it's
very hard for me to understand, why they belive in such twisted religion.

One is for certain, a tribal instinct is very strong in you.

No, I only respect tradition (BUT NOT RELIGIOUS ONE) aspecially if she's based on rules.
For example, if I would had hg different than R1a, I would be very interesting in customs,
and language of goup of my ancestors... I even wanted have some exotic Y, because this
would be very exiting for me, but I am very normal vistulian indoeuropean... But 10 years
ago I was ready for everything!

Especially for some asiatic of swarthy Y hg.

So, in terms of secular tribe tradition (with very strong revision of it) - yea, I agree.

You believe in your tribe's traditions, ways and religion, just because you were born there, and not by choice or free will.

And you are again wrong, mostly, because you do not read what I am writing, or your assumptions again are stronger than you.
Maybe you was beliving in such religion, but I was/am not. I was born a Catholic, (and I was beliving catholic), my family is nearly
atheistic, but grandma was very devote catholic. I refused both worldviews. After that I was for some time JW, and after that, I
am now an individual christian, and this is really wonderfull expirience.

So I can say, that I refused three times my "tribes" traditions... You're again wrong (as usuall... ).
Or even four, becasue I was also very interested in slavic and germanic mythologies when I was young,
becasue they (especially the first) were seem to be very tribal and very very traditional for me...

Like learning a language from your parents, you also learned traditions and religion. It didn't require logic and analytical thinking. It required pure tribal instinct and memory of learning what they taught you, nothing more. You didn't make a choice, just went on pure instinct and tradition.

You know me soooo weeelll... again you missed.

This tribal instinct also tells you that you and your tribe is the best, knows better ways, is special, unique, and the rest of the world must be stupid, because if the rest were smart like you, they would chose the only true ways and your true religion.

If this is wrong, why are you following your instincts, claiming, that point of view of your atheistic tribe is the best, and that
everyone (including especially me) is so stupid, because he does not belive in that what you belive? If everyone would be so
smart like you, and would be listening in everything allknowing scientists and "dawkinses" and homosexual activists he would
know, that you are the samrt one, and everybody else are stupid... so why are you following this way of your nihilistic tribe?

So tell us, how do you figure that your religion is the true one?

By deduction, historical and material proofs, and by comparing recordings of different
religions/philosophies... Especially I had no problem with religion since I saw stupidity
of atheism and evolusion About evolution I was interested also... until this day I like
and enjoy very much films and programs about cavemen This is a real good fantasy!

I have no problem with my kids learning everything, Christianity included, and making their own choices in life.

If you have no problem, then do you have morality?
If they can learn about everything this means, that
you have no principles, values, and you do not have
higher standarts. You yourself do not know what is
good, and what is bad, what is worth to die for, and
what is need to be fight against...

But muslims do, and they will win with nihilists.

Example?
France.
They are the most secular state in Western world.
Effect?
They take to themselves 5 mln muslims, who are hating... France.
And 50.000 secular and exparachristian per year are accepting Islam.
Why?
Because nihilism is not good enough for them, christianism is destroyed
by secular state (which makes brainwash to children) and of course by
christian denominations as well, which do not belive in Bible any more.

So people are searching something worth to live.
And imams in the mosqes have a very good offer
for them - stupid, poor, twisted, paganized and
savage version of abrahamic faith.

So France must be, and will be, a muslim state in near future. The radical one.
This is the end of your ways... very clever...

Their cleverness - coming from your nihilistic loving equaliting philosophy,
lead them not only to destroing themselves, but also to such a ridiculious
ideas, like banning the genetic reaserch... this is your freedom, and your
open minded world... or like this coproducer (I dont remember his name) of
"Avereges - time of ultron", (one of the most hard fighting man-feminist in
sweden) who was attaced and destroing, and his carier was nearly to end,
becasue people from your religion didn't like some one sentence in this film...
This is your madness secular religion, based on using the brain and equality...

You on the other hand would ban evolution and atheism

But why you must teach them?
For teaching biology iit is not nessecery to teach this things.
You must teach this, because this is a philosophy a religion,
which you want to promote. You do not want to be a neutral
(which secular should mean) but you want your ideology to
be spreading in totalitarian manner.

and many more subjects you consider stupid or sinful,

I see, you are talking about yourself

so pure eyes of your children would never glaze upon this forbidden knowledge.

No, I would teach them about evolution IN HOME, but not as a only true view on the world. They
must know, that something like that exists, and what it is, becasue if they would not know, they
would be a very easy victim for people of your kind. Btw, christianity always was open to every
theory, even if was fighting againt that theory. This is the reason, why you have a heliocentric
theory, not geocentric, why is knowing greek, roman, germanic, slavic or aztec mithology...
This is also the reason why you have science, genetic, and especially archeology and statues
of ancient gods... If in the place of chriostianity would be Islam - everything would be destroy,
and you would be living in totalitarian islamic state walking in every friday to the mosque, and
living like people in VII century in the desert.. maybe with some progress to XIII century...

And you yourself would be promoting the idea to destroy pyramids - they were trying to destroy
them, but they couldn't because had to primitive technology - now they can - they can, becasue
of christian civilization which developed atom... And they will do this, but people of your kind will
of course, by yours ignorace, help them...

True belivers of Yahweh never were stupid or ignorant.
Stupidity and ingnorance are sins. Maybe even the greatest one.

 

[Yetos]

Reptilians? etrified:



Why? To kill all pagans and unbilivers of course!



Only, becasue christians did not do the same with you as Muslims are doing.
Ottomans did not preserve your pagan culture, but westerners did...



Yes, we drink wine as a sumbol of Christ blood - and what?
I have no idea where you read about cursing the wine by Noah or Rechabites...
Noah was drunk, and Rechabites (non-Israelites) simply did not drink it...



It is even better: And the winepress are trodden without the city, and
there came out blood from the winepress, even unto the bridles of the
horses, as far as a thousand and six hundred furlongs.



Drunkard, junkie, madman who was eatan by his mother and after that was born from the leg of Zeus? etrified:




A perfect man, Son of God, some one who die for me?
Of course...



Insted of guy who is only a statue which
couldn't defend his cult and himself? Of course



You was claiming, that christians did some things,
so I rememberd you, what your brothers did.
Dont repeat yourself...

I guess, that you would like allow Indians to sacriface people for their imaginary gods...



It is still dead... as was last 1500 years...
Even Julian Apostate couldnt help you...



Have you a conntact with demons?etrified:



So, in your pagan belives you have a concept of sin even... wow...
So, your gods probably are sinners... they did so many awfull things...



But you can do, whatever you wish...



This challange is so weak... :sad-2:

there is hope for you,
Sorry,

you have just decide to live with the side of rulling class,

or you just take the 10% of your innocent followers,

you drink blood and eat flesh, but no you are not a carnivore !!!
you crusify your lord every day, but no he ressurects, but not pershephone,
if he comes back you will crusify him again,
but no you are 'clean'
you made wars and kill in his name, but no he is the god of 'love'
A WORD UNKNOWN TO CHRISTIANS

THANK GODS,
I WILL NOT TAKE A PIECE OF THAT HOAX,


I HOPE NOTHING
I AM NOT AFRAID SOMETHING
I AM FREE


PS
my religion used to have olympic games, not arenas?
what is the sport of your religion?
NOT WITCHUNTING IN SALEM Mass?
NOT HOLY INQUISITION?
NOT SCYTHOPOLIS
NOT 'kidlove'


PS2

in your bible say that if someone is sick, cover him with oil, and pray, and God will him,
WHY YOU GO TO ASCLEPIUS SONS/ACOLYTE?FOLLOWERS TO FIND CURE?

in your Bible say that if you have any difference speak with God, your apostoloi, etc etc,
WHY YOU GO TO ZEUS SONS/ACOLYTE/FOLLOWERS at the temple of Zeus=Justice


in your bible say that your religion is simple, so simple that spead by fishermen, and peasants,
WHY YOU CREATED HIGH THEOLOGICAL SCHOOLS LIKE THE TEMPLES OF ARTEMIS/ATHENA etc

Why you go to universities? which are the ultimate search of old bibliothekes, which were storage of knowledge of what smaller temples produced?
My Gods are Ηφαιστος And Ποσειδων, and you worship them every day, and every day you ask help from their acolytes, called mechanics or mathematicians etc etc

YOU ARE A BLIND CHRISTIAN, OR YOU WANT TO BLIND US ALL IN ORDER OF PROFIT
THAT DEMON WAS CALLED MAMMON ΜΑΜΜΩΝΑΣ in your bible,

THANK GODS,
I AM NOT AFRAID HIM AND HIS PUNISHEMENT,
I DO NOT HOPE FOR ETERNAL LIFE
SO I AM A FREE MAN,


ps 3
is it true that the priest of your god are pedophiliacs, play the donations at gun industries and stock exchange, got syphilis when conquer America, etc etc?
WHOW YOUR GOD KNOWS WELL TO CHOOSE HIS PRIESTS,
I WONDER HOW ΥΠΟΚΡΙΤΕΣ (hypocrites) THEY CAN CLEAN ME?

Next time pray and wait for your god to bring Justice,
Do not go to the court of ZEUS, THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING DEITY.

 

[Rethel]

Forgive Yetos, but it is a one big nonsense
without any leading thought or cohesion...
I dont even know, what do you want to tell me.

THANK GODS,
I AM NOT AFRAID HIM AND HIS PUNISHEMENT,
I DO NOT HOPE FOR ETERNAL LIFE
SO I AM A FREE MAN,

So, you are sooooooooo dead...

Do not go to the court of ZEUS, THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING DEITY.

And if he is living, where is he?
On the mount Olymp? :useless:

Or if he's living, why the whole
world do not belive in him, but
his cult is dead since 1500 y?

Christianity 100 years ago conquerd actualy the whole globe.
And go even to another worlds... like Moon... Mars... Tytan...
Why Olympians didn't do that, but instead, they allowed their
belivers to be convert to christianity, and their statues to be
destroyed... or at least being an exponate in museum...

 

[Piro Ilir]

It seems you became a high level işn Islamic doctrine and can decide who is muslim and who is not,

Thanks to share your own ideas, but let's turn back reality.

Totally agree. No one has the right to do that. According to the Islamic religious doctrine: if one believes that there is only one God and Mohamed is his prophet, that person is a Muslim.

 

[Piro Ilir]

I do not decide, neither you, but Mohammed and at least islamic scholars...
You can of course claim that you are a muslim and secular. I saw even a
homosexual activist who was claiming that he is a muslim... But it is not
a matter of personal choice... but of following the rules.

If I create today society of Q-men, and I make a rule, that Q-men can be only
lefthanded and wearing red shirts, and everyone, who is righthanded and wearing
shirts in different colour is not a Qman - then who will decide, who can be a Qman???
Someone who want to wear blue shirt? No. I will decide, because I am the one making
the rules deciding who can be a Q-man and who can be not.

So this is not a matter of personal describing who can be a muslim, but matter of rules.

Btw, if there will be such a thing like secular normal muslim, then on the West were
be no need for muslims gettos, for banning the burka, there will be not problem with
burning cars and blowing buses, and people woudnt be wearing themselves as Arabs.

When you don't have knowledge on the matter, better don't talk.

If I would follow your logic, there are no more Christians in this world

 

[Piro Ilir]

you know the history, probably even better than me
but you give the answer yourself, correct me if i'm wrong
indeed the example we always get of tolerant and openminded Muslims in history were the Morish Omayades in Spain, but they forget that they were replaced by the very strict Almohads
weren't the Almohads themselves replaced by the rather fundamentalistic Christian reconquistadores?
and you state yourself that the - contrary to his predecessors - very strict Aurangzeb left the country in chaos till the British came
i don't want to relive this all again in Europe
the fact that ISIS is able to recruit so easily so many of its warriors in Europe by some preachers with a radical vocabulary of hatred doesn't make me optimistic at all
and the fact that many of them are 'converts' and adventurers doesn't make it better, it's the vocabulary that does it

and yes, most non-Muslims don't know about the century-long history of divide and hatred between Sunni and Shia
but as I told, Muslims are embarrased by this and don't talk about it, neither do they want us to talk about it
it seems to me they themselves cannot explain this if Islam is realy 'the religion of love and peace'

Yes: according to the Shia imams, the Sunni people are not Muslims , indeed they are the true enemies if Islam, and vice versa . [emoji23] .

The person on the photo is an Albanian cleric of Muslim- Sufi religion. The statue is of Scanderbeg. The Albanian lord of Albania. If you know his story, you know what I mean. Scanderbeg is the national hero of Albanians. The majority of Albanians are Muslims.

 

[Rethel]

When you don't have knowledge on the matter, better don't talk.

If I would follow your logic, there are no more Christians in this world

This is a muslim logic, and I didnt develope her.

Christians... there are 2.4 bln christians... nominal, but they are still christians.
Mostly bad christians of course, but we do not have the same logic as you have.
But practicly they are not christians of course, and if they do not change their
behavior they maybe will be in the worst sitiuation than pagans. About muslims
do not complain to me - complain to your teachings and teachers...

Islam by your teachings is eternal, perfect and complete.
You cannot change something what is unchangeable and
you can't make better something what is already perfect
and cant add to or take from something what is complete.

Everyone who claims that he is a "light" muslim is lying or is
an apostate - there is no third option. You cannot change
this, that Mohammed was a necrophile and pedophile...
This is your "prophet" - and he was a messenger or not.
There is no other option...

 

[Piro Ilir]

I think Bicicleur, that this is generaly a false assumption at all.

Islam is at first a religion of Mohammed who claimed to have the true message.
And what it menas love and peace must be filter by his definitions of this words and of goal of Islam.

Love and peace is only for Muslims. Shias are not muslims for sunnis, and sunnis are not muslims for shias.
They are even worse than jews and christians, because they are apostates. That's all.

Islam is from the beginnig going to take the world. But by the world they mostly mean Christendom.
And from the beginning they are doing this by the sword. So, why should they be a religion of peace?
And btw, why at all religion MUST be a religion of peace? Why religion cannot be a religion of war? If
someone expected that, then he will be certainly decived by muslims, who have in their theology so
called taqiyya which allow any muslim to decive unbelivers for spreding Islam.

First- Islam is much more a recently religion than is Christianity. The difference is more than 600 years.
2- Don't forget that during middle age, the three branches of Christianity didn't recognised each other. The first who conquered Constantinople, were the Catholics.
3- The problem of middle east and north Africa, is not Islam. Indeed it's the ignorance and not tolerance against the other, who is not as the same as themselves.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Boreas you are from Turkey,

A country that started as Shia with Seljouks, become Suni, populated by taqqiya, expelled Bektasi muslims,
and finally today is trebling among Kemalic state, and Sultan-Erdogan state,

I guess you know the difference among Con/polis muslims, to far East/South Turkey radical Islam,

just answer your shelf,
for you, you are maybe a true muslim,
for radical Islamists like Daesh, are you a true Muslim?
and can you live, study, work with a Kufar/.Cafir?

just answer your shelf,
when your imams, say women must not drive,
how will you react?
will you allow your wife to drive?
and if you would, how will you feel, if someone throw a stone to her, cause she drives?

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] .

 

[Rethel]

The person on the photo is an Albanian cleric of Muslim- Sufi religion. The statue is of Scanderbeg. The Albanian lord of Albania. If you know his story, you know what I mean. Scanderbeg is the national hero of Albanians. The majority of Albanians are Muslims.

Scanderbeg wasn't a christian?

Btw - this imam is an apostate.
Every nationalist is an apostate.
There is only one Ummah, and
in Islam, there is no place for
more than one nation and one
state - Arabs and Caliphate.
Everyone who claims different
is an apostate and should be kill.
Like Kurdi and Syrian nationalists
are killing by salafits. This is Islam.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Good point. Both world wars brought only disaster, distraction, death and suffering to all Europeans, and nobody truly won and benefited of it. Well, except Americans, because European firms were in ruins and without capital, American companies could easily expend worldwide (and in Europe) catching biggest share of the market. Europeans had to kill each other in tens of millions to finely notice that nobody can rally win, got smarter and try peaceful way for a change. With great benefits as we can see these days.
This killing, arm wrestling of various groups, is going on today in Near East. Many might be killed and massacred till they learn, as well as Europeans, that this is not the right way to go about. In mean time this creates a brain drain, because most talented and with money go to Europe to find a safe place to live. This might in turn slow down economic growth and cause lack of professionals in the region in the future.

That's why Churchill at the end of WWII said to the American president: we should spread the democracy throughout the world, because doing so, we prevent other wars. A great man he was.

 

[Piro Ilir]

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One must ask the question of why 80% of muslim who are sunni want to kill off 20% shia muslim ..................or is it the sunni arabs against the shia Persian
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Indeed you are wrong. That's not true.

This is a picture after the massacre at Charlie hebo. It's from France. The leaders of the four main religions of Albania.

 

[Rethel]

First- Islam is much more a recently religion than is Christianity. The difference is more than 600 years.

This is a nonsensical argument.
There is no such universal thing
like "timeline of religions age".
Btw, where have you 300
years of persecutions, like
we? Do you forget about that?

2- Don't forget that during middle age, the three branches of Christianity didn't recognised each other. The first who conquered Constantinople, were the Catholics.

It was for greater good - rescue Konstantinopole from you.
And what? Does it mean, that you could take whole Middle
East, northern Africa and Balcans and muslimized it by force? etrified:
You could convert christians in your antychrist religion, because
some group of Frenchmen and Italians take Konstantinopole in 1204?

What a nonsense!

3- The problem of middle east and north Africa, is not Islam. Indeed it's the ignorance and not tolerance against the other, who is not as the same as themselves.

No, not at all... Islam is wonderfull... all muslims in Africa are equal, rich, and
tolerant... especially for christians, who are behending in african coastlines...
They even wnat european christians to come to them and teach them christianity,
and are very gladly when Europeans are going in boats to this paradise on earth... :useless:
Nothing is happening like that... and never will... why? Because of Islam...

Do you know how many people was in Egypt when Omar came? about 15 mln.
Do you know how many people was in Egypt when Napoleon came 1200 later? 1-3 mln.
Really, Islam is not a problem at all...

Do you know why people from Middle East and Africa are coming to Europe?
Because of Islam... they want live there, where is no Islam at all...
Why... because Islam is sooooo good...

And do you know, why Kosovo, Albania, Bosia and Bulgaria
are the most poor countires where no one want to live, and
where crimes have so high level? Becasue there is the most
higher percentage of muslims...

And do you know, why in the Middle East is so horrible enviroment?
Because of Islam... This philosophy is degradating and devastating
everything what can... and in the West muslims are presenting the
same savage behavior as in their original homelands...

Why? Because of Islam...

 

[Piro Ilir]

It was very simplified - but you even do not understand that.



That should decide shias and sunnis.
They both have different hadiths, so - probably this ones, who will kill the others at all?.
But becuse of many bizzare (more than sinnis) teachings of shias, I suspeced that sunnis are right theologicaly.
But in the case of succession - who knows, mabe shias are right? No one can know exactly now.



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Secular Jews who do not even belive in Tora - certainly are.



So I see you do not understand Christianity.
We do not have so many rules as muslims and jews for every aspect of life.
We have no need to wearing some cloths - but it not means, that cultural customs are not different in different countries.
Even monogamy is a cultural thing based on Roman Law - not a biblical necessery thing.

But in Islam everything is regulating by holy and halfholy scriptures.
Even which hand you must use to which thing, how to sleep, how to eat, how to wear...
So do not compare Christianity to Islam, becuase there is a huge abyss between them.

Btw, we, by principle, are free - you by principle are slaves.
And this is pattern in every kind of life and teachings.
We can do whatever we want to - exept some necessery borbidden things.
Muslims cannot do nothing exept things which are allow by Koran or Sunna.

Our first (and second) comandment is to love God the Father, and love neighbours.
Yours is to be obidient to Allah-slave-owner, hate the unbelivers and be not so bad for another muslim.



So you are an apostate, becuase you do not want to be a muslim by name.
This is not personal choice. You are not a definer of Islam, but Mohammed is.
Read his life - and you'll see, how should behave a true muslim.
Mohammed is a perfect muslim. Not you.

He killed 800 jews in Jathrib, and two another tribes exiled.
He had sex with dead body in grave.
He had sex with nine year old girl.
He killed every non beliver in Arabia.
He is the example - and he was not secular at all.

You cannot be a muslim without Mohammed and Koran.
You cannot define what you want Islam to be, or not.

I think you are not a Christian. This is totally clear [emoji23].