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    150+ dead after Terrorist attacks in Paris



    I've gotten all my information from this CNN article.

    Paris attacks: At least 153 killed in gunfire and blasts, French official says

    But of course this is all over the news and all of you already heard of it. You can post your thoughts here.

    What I've learned from the article is that on Friday 11/13/2015 in and around Paris.

    >2-3 men dressed in black, with no face coverings, and with AK 47s shot and killed over 100 people in Bataclan hall of Paris.
    >There were also Bombings in Stade de France, a northern suburb of Paris. At least some were suicide bombings.
    >In total 6 shootings and 3 bombings in Paris area today. The article didn't give details where all bombings and shootings took place. Over 150 dead have been found so far.

    Meanwhile in a refugee camp in France caught on fire: Calais migrant camp 'on fire' as France reels from Paris terror attacks. My guess is the fire was commited by angry French as a response to killings in Paris.

    I'm disappointed in some quotes I've seen from world leaders. It's all generic "My condolences to France" and "Peace to the world". What they should be saying is "We need to kill anyone involved in anyway. And prevent this from happening again". They have no aggression.

    IMO, there's no doubt this was done by Muslim terrorist. This attack hurts Europeans and Muslim immigrants/refugees. It hurts European in that innocent people are threatened and killed. It hurts Muslim immigrants/refugees in that European countries are more likely to instate strict laws on access to their countries, which will not allow Muslims simply looking for a better life to live in European countries.

    Hopefully this attack will wake-up Europe. Countries like Germany are gullible and too open to refugees. Wanting your country to be safe or well of economically, doesn't make you anti-Muslim it makes you smart.

    EDIT: BBC is giving very good coverage: Paris Attacks live coverage

    Here are all of the attack sites and amount found dead or injuried in the sites.
    Bataclan: at least 100 dead, seven people in a critical condition, four others injuredRue Charonne: 19 dead, 13 people in a critical condition, 10 others injured
    Rue Bichat: 14 dead, 10 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
    Avenue de la Republique: Four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
    Stade de France: four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 39 others injured
    Rue Beaumarchais: three people in a critical condition, four others injuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Meanwhile in a refugee camp in France caught on fire: Calais migrant camp 'on fire' as France reels from Paris terror attacks. My guess is the fire was commited by angry French as a response to killings in Paris.
    And this is very wrong - but this is only a result of stupid and blindy madness politics from many years.


    IMO, there's no doubt this was done by Muslim terrorist. This attack hurts Europeans and Muslim immigrants/refugees. It hurts European in that innocent people are threatened and killed. It hurts Muslim immigrants/refugees in that European countries are more likely to instate strict laws on access to their countries, which will not allow Muslims simply looking for a better life to live in European countries.
    I am fully agree.

    Hopefully this attack will wake-up Europe.
    But I am affraind, that this wake up will be with no happy ending either for muslims, and either for us...

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    my thoughts are with the families of the victims. 150 dead people. And this after the recent loses of ISIS. They must be very desperate and on the end.

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    Meanwhile in a refugee camp in France caught on fire: Calais migrant camp 'on fire' as France reels from Paris terror attacks. My guess is the fire was commited by angry French as a response to killings in Paris.
    I know the people are angry but that is not the right way. The refugees fled from ISIS. And I bet my last cent that the terrorists, just like the Hebdo terrorists are not refugees but radicalized residents mostly from African countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I know the people are angry but that is not the right way. The refugees fled from ISIS. And I bet my last cent that the terrorists, just like the Hebdo terrorists are not refugees but radicalized residents mostly from African countries.
    I agree. But I still think this event should lead Germany and other to have stronger borders. Vast majority of refugees are fleeing war but a significant enough minority wants to bring war. A US anti-terrorism official suspects the terrorists were from Syria or Iraq. You living in Germany, are you going to ave second thoughts about going to any big gathering of people?

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    Here are a few meangliss quotes responding to the attacks....

    U.S, President Barack Obama
    This is an attack not just on Paris, not just on the people on France, but an attack on all humanity and the universal values we share
    U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter
    an assault on our common human dignity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I know the people are angry but that is not the right way. The refugees fled from ISIS. And I bet my last cent that the terrorists, just like the Hebdo terrorists are not refugees but radicalized residents mostly from African countries.
    it is very sad that this happens but I can tell you, in Calais there are zero refugees, only adventurers and fortune seekers
    genuine refugees can apply for refugee status in Europe and if granted, they will not be send back
    in Calais there are only people trying to get to illegality in the U.K. because they know that if they would apply refugee status they have no chance to get it
    the camp in Calais should have been cleaned allready long time ago
    it shows the incompetence of European governments to handle this stream of so-called refugees
    it is very sad that this happens but I understand the frustration of many Europeans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Here are a few meangliss quotes responding to the attacks....

    U.S, President Barack Obama


    U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter
    this was about to happen
    the attack on the Thalys train from Brussels to Paris failed
    but you could be quite certain other attempts would follow
    now politicians are reacting as if this comes out of the blue

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    I don't think we know yet whether the perpetrators were recent "refugees" or long time residents. or even French born citizens radicalized into Muslim extremism. My instinct, given that they were speaking in French, their evident familiarity with Paris, and the fact that supposedly more than 1000 French residents went to Syria to join ISIS, is that they are French residents.

    It is even more tragic in a way if that is the case. Somehow, a lifetime spent in the west has failed to result in any meaningful assimilation.

    I would agree that this doesn't bode well for the acceptance of "refugees" in Europe, however. While a country may have home grown terrorists, who would want to import unvetted people when some, at least, might also be terrorists?

    It's just terrible what is going on. Are Europeans really prepared to see their countries turn into Lebanon or Afghanistan or Iraq, and their cities into Beirut and Baghdad?

    The really difficult question, however, is what are they, what is the west, going to do about it, not only internationally, but internally?


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    I've just heard that one of the terrorists was indeed a French national.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I've just heard that one of the terrorists was indeed a French national.
    one of the 8 terrorists in Paris would be a man with French Nationality who became ISIS fighter and returned to France last month via Greece as a 'Syrian refugee'

    two or three would be from Molenbeek, I'm totaly not surprised
    Molenbeek is a Brussels suburb with North African Muslim majority
    there is high unemployment, but that is mainly because of a very generous social security and lasser-faire
    some places are ghettos and it is a safe haven for criminals
    this is the kind of electorate that guaranteed the walloon socialist Phillipe Moureaux to be reelected for 20 years till 2012

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    Come on Guys

    Arena with lions is expecting,

    Who burned Rome?
    Nero to write his 'Ilias'
    Christian to create the 'new world' of Paul?

    Who is behind Terror in Paris?
    Olant releashed bombers and terrorists, in order to 'close the borders'
    Muslims in order to create the new Chaliphate? (new world)

    I say Olant is Burning Paris

    @ Rethel
    what do you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't think we know yet whether the perpetrators were recent "refugees" or long time residents. or even French born citizens radicalized into Muslim extremism
    At least one of the attackers is a Syrian that was registered as asylum seeker in Greece:

    https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/statu...55110467084289

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    At least one of the attackers is a Syrian that was registered as asylum seeker in Greece:

    https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/statu...55110467084289
    As information is learned how he got the country, Merkel might be accused of being partially responsible for attacks. This attack is a big slap in the face to the ultra-nice and gullable people in Europe who said nothing like this would happen as a result of refugees coming to Europe. Of course I'm not enjoying the attack, but I'm enjoying that this is exactly what was prediced and exactly what many said wouldn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela
    I don't think we know yet whether the perpetrators were recent "refugees" or long time residents
    Islamic extremism is even more prevalent among descendants of Muslim immigrants, than among first generation Muslim immigrants:

    (according to Maajid Nawaz):

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...op-terror.html

    Jihadism has well and truly taken root among an entire generation of angry young Muslims. This is particularly the case in Europe, where thousands have left to join ISIS. This insurgency is incredibly hard to tackle, because its recruits remain invisible in our very own societies, born and raised among us, fluent in our languages and culture, but full of venom for everything they have been raised into.

    (...)

    Unfortunately for France, though not unique to it, between 5 and 10 percent of its population is Muslim. Real, serious problems with economic and social integration prevail in this group, fuelling resentment on a scale that baffles most expert policy makers. Even if hundreds, out of millions, take this resentment to its deadly conclusion, France has a huge problem on its hands, as we saw on Friday. But so do we all.

    (...)

    Up until now the bitter truth that our Muslim populations have been subjected to decades of sustained Islamist propaganda by those who live among them has gone almost totally ignored. The long term solution cannot continue to ignore this truth, and cannot continue to neglect those few Muslims, and others, attempting to take on this threat within their own communities.

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    One attacker has been confirmed to be a recent refugee. ISIS said they were bringing soldiers to Europe, so this shouldn't be a surprise. Yes, some were not recent immigrants, but this was planned by ISIS and they brought soldiers to help with the attack.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...to-immigration

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    Yes, from Hollandes' comments about foreign control it would make sense that one or more of them recently arrived in Europe.

    I must say, though, I don't understand why these men had their passports on them. You don't need one to go to Paradise. Unless they were like calling cards. In other words, they were a way of saying, we can come in and get you, and even your own will turn on you.

    Or maybe they want to goad the French into going full bore into the Muslim neighborhoods in hopes of fomenting a religious/ethnic war. There's a report that a plot to attack Catholic churches was foiled.

    Also seems very sloppy to leave a rental car behind rented to a "real" person who can be picked up and sweated for information.

    We'll have to see what the French propose to do now. I hope they don't have any expectations that this American administration will be of any help at all. The President thinks ISIS is contained. If they're contained what could they accomplish if they were unleashed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    At least one of the attackers is a Syrian that was registered as asylum seeker in Greece:

    https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/statu...55110467084289
    The one who had already french citizenship? Why he didn't fly to Paris?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, from Hollandes' comments about foreign control it would make sense that one or more of them recently arrived in Europe.

    I must say, though, I don't understand why these men had their passports on them. You don't need one to go to Paradise. Unless they were like calling cards. In other words, they were a way of saying, we can come in and get you, and even your own will turn on you.

    Or maybe they want to goad the French into going full bore into the Muslim neighborhoods in hopes of fomenting a religious/ethnic war. There's a report that a plot to attack Catholic churches was foiled.

    Also seems very sloppy to leave a rental car behind rented to a "real" person who can be picked up and sweated for information.

    We'll have to see what the French propose to do now. I hope they don't have any expectations that this American administration will be of any help at all. The President thinks ISIS is contained. If they're contained what could they accomplish if they were unleashed?
    They want to turn Christians against Muslims, and by tone of most posters here they are succeeding. Divide and rule...
    Their preferred tactic is to hit places with tourists, to wreck havoc on economy. They've attacked tourists in Tunisia, Tourists from Russia in Egypt, tourists in restaurants in Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I've just heard that one of the terrorists was indeed a French national.
    Nationality alone can be very misleading information. There are millions of French citizens of Maghreban descent. In this case the man identified was Omar Ismail Mostefai, who is obviously not of ethnic French descent.

    When you think that the majority of France's 5 million+ Muslims are poor and have values that clash with French or European values, I am actually surprised that terrorist attacks like this happen so infrequently. The last serious one was on Charlie Hebdo in January. Considering the heavy and constantly increasing tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe, if blood bathes like this do not happen at least once a month it means that the authorities are actually doing a a pretty good job at thwarting other planned attacks. I suppose that most of them are quietly muffled and go unreported so as not to scare the population. Only those that were thwarted in public, like the one in the Thalys train in August, make the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    one of the 8 terrorists in Paris would be a man with French Nationality who became ISIS fighter and returned to France last month via Greece as a 'Syrian refugee'

    two or three would be from Molenbeek, I'm totaly not surprised
    Molenbeek is a Brussels suburb with North African Muslim majority
    there is high unemployment, but that is mainly because of a very generous social security and lasser-faire
    some places are ghettos and it is a safe haven for criminals
    this is the kind of electorate that guaranteed the walloon socialist Phillipe Moureaux to be reelected for 20 years till 2012
    I concur. Molenbeek and some other parts of north and west Brussels are ghettoes of fomenting Islamist extremists. You are right that this is partly possible thanks to the overly generous social security. I explained 4 years ago how the Belgian social security helped fund Islamic terrorism.

    I am always surprised how lax Belgium can be with immigrants. Brussels Airport is a good example. I have travelled to about 50 countries on all five continents, but nowhere else have I witnessed an international airport where there is no passport check whatsoever on arrival. I have used Brussels Airport for flights from outside Europe dozens of times and not once have I seen a passport control for any passenger from any flight. Anybody can enter the country from anywhere without any control. It's hardly unbelievable, especially after 9/11. In countries like the US and Japan, any foreigner must fill an arrival form (answering questions relating to the purpose of visit, place of stay, etc.) and have their fingerprints and photograph taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Their preferred tactic is to hit places with tourists, to wreck havoc on economy. They've attacked tourists in Tunisia, Tourists from Russia in Egypt, tourists in restaurants in Paris.
    I am not really sure why Islamist extremists would want to destroy the economy of Muslim countries like Egypt and Tunisia. The attacks in Paris were not in particularly touristy neighbourhoods either. I think they just attack places that are easier to access for them.

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    Great point Maciamo. French nationality doesn't tell you who the attacker was. Do you think Europe will create stricter laws on crossing borders now?

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    A second one went via the refugee route

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/665643361748066306

    BREAKING: Second suspected Paris attacker very likely to have passed through Greece - Greek government source http://reut.rs/1NT7mPY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Great point Maciamo. French nationality doesn't tell you who the attacker was. Do you think Europe will create stricter laws on crossing borders now?
    The EU can't do that. The EU has treaties which the member states HAVE to oblige to. One of them states that ALL citizens from a war area are allowed asylum - which may never be temporary.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4L0083:EN:HTML

    This will be the end of the EU. Although it will probably linger on for a while, the utter and complete fecklessness of this bureaucratic monster will eventually be the death of it. I hope people on both sides come to their senses and save what can be saved. But that would mean complete dismantling of what exists now and rebuilding it.

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