Please, you have no reason to offend me. Here we are talking about a nation, probably the most ancient of this continent. We are not talking about an acronym called FYROM. Stop quoting from your so-called "macedonian truths". We know what kind of truths you produce there. Let me show one of them:
So it`s easy to understand who are liars here.
Arberesh dont exist as self-proclaimed identity.
Arberesh is of Norman origin.
When the Normans arrived in Albania during the thirteenth century they called the region Arborea and reffered to the people as forest dwellers.
"The Italo-Albanian Villages of southern Italy,
by George Nicholas Nasse"
Let`s make an short timeline:
The first time that Arber is mentioned, is in an inscription, III century BC, in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finiq in South Albania:
It is writen
arbaios for
arber.
In the second century AD,
Ptolemy the ancient geographer and astronomer from Alexandria shows the city of Albanopolis in the northeast of Durrës.
Source:
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ
At the same period it is a grave found in Gorno Sonje near Shkup, today capital of FYROM, where someone named Mikat from Albanopolis is mentioned:
Original text of the inscription:
POSIS MESTYLV F FL DELVS MVCATI F DOM
ALBANOP IPSA DELVS
/...../
The inscription transcribed
OSIS MESTYLU F(ILIUS) FL(AVIA) DELUS MUCATI
F(ILIA) DOM(O)
ALBANOP(OLI) IPSA DELUS
/...../
The inscription translated version in English:
Posis Mestylu, son of Flavia Deluse his daughter Mucatus residing in Albanopolis/...../
The name Mikatus is conisdered an Illyrian name. It appears in the inscription of the village Middle Konjare
SHkup (Dragojevic-Josifovska 1982: 133).
For further information about this inscription see: (Dragojevic- Josifovska, 1971: 513-522)
In another grave of IV century AD found in Stobi Southeast Shkup today capital of FYROM, is found the name
Albanos.
see: (Spasovska-Dimitriovska 1993-1995:123-135)
In the 6th century AD, Stephanus of Byzantium, in his important geographical dictionary entitled Ethnica (Ἐθνικά),[30] mentions a city in Illyria called Arbon (Greek: Ἀρβών), and gives an ethnic name for its inhabitants, in two singular number forms, i.e. Arbonios (Greek: Ἀρβώνιος; pl. Ἀρβώνιοι Arbonioi) and Arbonites (Greek: Ἀρβωνίτης; pl. Ἀρβωνῖται Arbonitai).
Source:
https://archive.org/details/stephanibyzanti00meingoog
Now i want ot repeat one of my previous posts because a couple of members have expressed difficulty to understand this post.
Nicholas Hammond in his book:
Migrations and Invasions in Greece and Adjacent Areas
Chapter:
Albanian Ethnogenesis says:
The gap between Ptolemy and Acropolites is bridged by the mention of "Ducagini d'Arbania" in a seventh-century document at Ragusa (Dubrovnik). These Ducagini instigated a revolt against Byzantine rule in Bosnia and in particular at Ragusa, but they had to submit after the second unsuccessful intervention at Ragusa, to which they were said to have come "de terra ferma," i.e overland (15). The name 'Ducagini' is evidently derived from the Latin 'dux' and the common Albanian name 'Ghin'; indeed an Albanian chieftain in 1281 was referred to as "dux Ginius Tanuschus"(16). Moreover, the leading family of northern Albania from the thirteenth century to the Turkish invasion in the fifteenth century was called 'Dukagjin' (Lek Dukagjini the codifier was one of them), and their properties lay between Lesh (Lissus) and the bend of the Drin. It is here then that we should put the ‘Arbania' of the seventh century. The conclusion that 'Albanians' lived there continuously from the second century to the thirteenth century becomes, I think, unavoidable (17).
And this is the comment of Garrick:
You can see, your sources are before 1990. I give sources after 2000.
Let me explai something Garrick. The historical documents are not like the cars, the new version is always the best. Hammond refers to an old document of the seventh century AD from the archives of Ragusa(Dubrovnik). The document is published
by V. Makusev, Pamiatniki Dubrovnika (Petrograd, 1867), pp. 307 and 373.
This document is what is usually called primary source. What is an primary source, because you probably don`t have any idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source
In the study of history as an academic discipline, a primary source (also called original source or evidence) is an artifact, a document, diary, manuscript, autobiography, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study. It serves as an original source of information about the topic.
Now i think you have an better idea. Dont`t forget, new car good car, old document good document.
I do not know what you mean ?
do you mean the earliest Albanian ancestors are from the 7th century?
No sile. The ancestors of the Albanians are not from the seventh century. This document confirms us what we have read in other documents quoted by me in this post, the existence of this country mentioned by different ancient authors as Albanopolis or Arvanon. Also, the most interesting fact is that we find here mentioned this leader of the uprising named Ducagini d`Arbania. This Dukagjini(Alb), are probably the most famous family in the history of Albania. This Ducagini arrived in Ragusa from
terra ferma, i.e Arbania. And we have still today in the Tirana County, northeast of Durres this village named
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arban%C3%AB
But it`s interesting also the name of this Albanian lord. Hammond explain very well it:
The name 'Ducagini' is evidently derived from the Latin 'dux' and the common Albanian name 'Ghin'; indeed an Albanian chieftain in 1281 was referred to as "dux Ginius Tanuschus" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dux
That an title became part of the surname need some time. Probably, to one of the ancestors of this Dukagjini, was given this title of Dux and his name was Gjin. Probably after generations that this title was use by this family, this title became part of their surname and we have this noble Albanian family of middle age, The Dukagjini Family. The most famous from the members of this family was Lek Dukagjini, the codifier of the Kanun, the most famous of different Albanian Kanuns, the ancient Constitution of the Albanians.
I remember that i asked Garrick that meanwhile the Albanians were an consolidate ethnic group, with their nobilty and abble to put in difficulty the East Roman Empire with their uprisings, where were the ancestors of the today serbs? He did not answer to my question. Well is high probabile that in this period of time, the ancestors of the serbs were among Pashtun tribes in today Afganistan, this is one of the different theories. Other theories speak for different locations of the serbs, Caucasus, beyond the Ural mountain in Siberia, etc, etc, etc.
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