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    "Hand" and "Winter" in different IE languages. From Sanskrit, to Celtic, Slavic, Albanian, etc.


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    Based on these innovations lacking in other IE languages, Matzinger argues Albanian, Armenian, Greek, Phrygian, and even Tocharian on the fringe, were part of the Balkan IE group:



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    We have a very limited confirmed glossary for the Phrygian language. Only 3 words out of a handful of words of that language, we can say with certainty we know the meaning of them:

    bek---bread
    Herodotus (Histories 2.2) [Pharaoh Psammetichus experiment]

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    udor--water
    kyne---dog

    Plato Dialogues Cratylus
    : Yes, certainly. SOCRATES: Well then, consider whether ... tongue, and the. Phrygians may be observed to have the same word slightly changed, just as they have udor (water) and kunes (dogs), and many other words.
    This very 3 words are basically 3 modern Albanian words:
    bek~buk
    kyne~qeni
    udor~ujtë

    So the distance betwen Phrygian and Albanian is much closer than the one shown in the graph above, and judging by these essential words, I would say that Albanian and Phrygian are the same language.

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    As for the Greek language, being a cultivated language, its dictionary was built based on the vernacular languages of that territory, Albanian first of all, and possibly every non-mythological language of that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    As for the Greek language, being a cultivated language, its dictionary was built based on the vernacular languages of that territory, Albanian first of all, and possibly every non-mythological language of that time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    We have a very limited confirmed glossary for the Phrygian language. Only 3 words out of a handful of words of that language, we can say with certainty we know the meaning of them:

    bek---bread
    Herodotus (Histories 2.2) [Pharaoh Psammetichus experiment]

    &
    udor--water
    kyne---dog

    Plato Dialogues Cratylus


    This very 3 words are basically 3 modern Albanian words:
    bek~buk
    kyne~qeni
    udor~ujtë

    So the distance betwen Phrygian and Albanian is much closer than the one shown in the graph above, and judging by these essential words, I would say that Albanian and Phrygian are the same language.



    now she abbandon his own theories about linguistics
    and providing his shelf as expert of Brygian


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    In the Iliad, the Dardanians and Mysians are two seperate peoples and always referred to as such. Mysia neighbours Troy/Dardania. In the Aeneid, the Dardanians come to Italy where they meet the Italics already there. Hence the myth is not about the Italics origins.

    Strabo says the Dardanian tribe called the Galabri gave Calabria its name. This is where we see the Messapic languages. The Messapic languages, like Albanian, are not satem or centum, they have 3 dorsal rows. They are Illyric languages.

    Thracian is a satem language, not like messapic or albanian. It has only 2 rows.

    Dardanian, as we see in Messapic inscriptions, is not like thracian.

    The most proximate people to thracians are balts, not slavs. So Latvians and Lithuanians have more claim to being close to them linguistically than any slav.

    Hence, Messapics called themselves Dardanians, Strabo called them Dardanians, their language is not thracian, it is Albanoid, it preserves the 3 rows.

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    " Among the Illyrians the Autariatae, Ardiaei, and Dardanii, and among the Thracians the Triballi; that is, they were reduced in warfare by one another at first and then later by the Macedonians and the Romans.


    Be this as it may, after the seaboard of the Ardiaei and the Pleraei come the Rhisonic Gulf, and the city Rhizo, and other small towns and also the River Drilo, which is navigable inland towards the east as far as the Dardanian country.

    This country borders on the Macedonian and the Paeonian tribes on the south, as do also the Autariatae and the Dassaretii different peoples on different sides being contiguous to one another and to the Autariatae.

    To the Dardaniatae belong also the Galabrii, among whom is an ancient city, and the Thunatae, whose country joins that of the Medi, a Thracian tribe on the east. "

    - Strabo, Geography

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    I wonder if the Geganii noble family of the Albans, the Dardanians that founded Alba Longa, have any etymological relation Geg Albanians, as we refer to northerners.

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