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    Early Medieval aDNA from Poland coming soon

    English translation:

    966 is a special year in Polish history. The Archaeological Museum in Poznań and the Archaeological Reserve "Genius Loci" will actively participate in commemoration of the 1,050th anniversary of the Baptism of Mieszko I. We are preparing a number of attractions for the inhabitants of Poznań and for guests. (...) These will include: (...) an exposition "The oldest inhabitants of Poznań in the eyes of modern medicine". (...) Thanks to well preserved skeletal remains from the cemetery at Poznań Śródka, as the result of comprehensive research we have obtained a lot of valuable information about people living by the end of the 10th century and in the early 11th century in Poznań. Our research on skeletal remains has been interdisciplinary. We have been carrying out anthropological and identification, odontological, medical-judical, genetic and radiological examinations with use of modern methods of medical imaging (computed tomography), as well as studies in virtual engineering. Modern anthropological methods and professional identification research allows us to reconstruct faces of the past inhabitants of Poznań. In our research on skeletal material specialists from the Medical University and the University of Technology in Poznań participate. (...) Based on research done on skeletal material excavated in Poznań, a professional exposition presenting the results of medical and genetic studies on population inhabiting the Ostrów Tumski of Poznań in the 10th century will be created. This is an amazing opportunity to take a look at people living in a crucial period of Poland's history from the point of view of modern medicine.
    Poznań was among the most important centers of power of Early Poland and its Piast Dynasty:



    About Ostrów Tumski (the oldest district of Poznań):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrów...#Early_history

    The first known fortified settlement (gród) on Ostrów Tumski dates from the 8th or 9th century. In the 10th century the settlement on the island became one of the main political centres of the Piast domains, which in turn formed the hub of the early Polish state. Archaeological work carried out in 1999 revealed that the ducal palace stood on the site now occupied by the Church of the Virgin Mary (west of the cathedral). The palace was joined to a chapel, believed to be the first Christian temple in Poland. It was probably first used by Dobrawa, the wife of Mieszko I, and her Bohemian attendants – Mieszko himself was baptised in 966
    Website of the Archaeological Reserve "Genius Loci":

    http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/en/activ...e-genius-loci/

    Anthropological material and aDNA from 10th century and 11th century Poznań coming soon (Autumn 2016):









    Trepanated skull:



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    Sources:

    http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/rezerwat...chrztu-polski/

    https://www.facebook.com/15838654218...type=3&theater

    http://epoznan.pl/news-news-63054-Z_...ladamy_Ciebie_

    http://chrzest966.pl/najstarsi-miesz...go-w-poznaniu/

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    ^ Pre-Migration Period DNA will probably follow, because it seems to be part of the same research project as Early Medieval DNA:

    "Dynasty and population of the Piast state in view of integrated historical, anthropological and genomic studies":

    https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-...cz?language=en

    http://ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-nauki...cz?language=pl


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    I'm excited about this. :) Any info about the date of publication?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Any info about the date of publication?
    Probably October 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm excited about this. :) Any info about the date of publication?
    the 1,050th anniversary of the Baptism of Mieszko I
    why 1050th, shouldn't they wait another 950 years ?

    just kidding
    it should be intersting to learn about the formation of this dynasty

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    OK, here is a recent interview with this research Project's leader, prof. Marek Figlerowicz:

    In Polish: http://www.naukaonline.pl/nasze-teks...-zebach-skryte

    Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translat...-zebach-skryte

    Excerpt:

    "(...) Dotychczas mamy już mniej więcej tyle, ile potrzebujemy przesekwencjonowanych próbek z okresu rzymskiego – około 50, i są całkiem niezłe. Z czasów piastowskich około 100. (...)"

    He says they have already sequenced ca. 50 samples from the "Roman period" (Wielbark & Przeworsk cultures, pre-Migration Period samples) and ca. 100 from Early Poland (Early Middle Ages). Of course these are whole-genome samples, not just haplogroups.

    He says that all 50 of Late Iron Age (= "Roman period") genomes are of decent quality.

    This study alone will probably have more of Iron Age samples than is the total amount of IA samples published so far:

    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ironagedna.shtml

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    Tomenable wrote on Anthrogenica that samples are uploaded:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ng-soon/page47


    And the direct link:
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brennos View Post
    Tomenable wrote on Anthrogenica that samples are uploaded:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ng-soon/page47


    And the direct link:
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503
    Thanks mate!
    Cant wait till their y-dna results are revealed :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkanite View Post
    Thanks mate!
    Cant wait till their y-dna results are revealed :)

    EEF remained dominate in some parts of Central Europe till less than 2,000 years ago...I've been told the Germanic-speaking Wielbark genomes from Poland are similar to Bronze age genomes from Hungary. That means they were probably over 50% EEF, over 20% WHG, and 20-30% Steppe. Two have I1, which supports the idea they were Germanic speakers.

    PCA0027 G2a2b-CTS11324/M3419/PF3279+


    PCA0050 I2a2-L35/PF3862/S150+


    PCA0060 I1a2a1a1d1a1a1b1~S14669+, Y23135+, Y23136- (or I1a3a1a1~FGC9520/Y6626+)


    PCA0158 I1~CTS5887/Z2792+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    EEF remained dominate in some parts of Central Europe till less than 2,000 years ago...I've been told the Germanic-speaking Wielbark genomes from Poland are similar to Bronze age genomes from Hungary. That means they were probably over 50% EEF, over 20% WHG, and 20-30% Steppe. Two have I1, which supports the idea they were Germanic speakers.

    PCA0027 G2a2b-CTS11324/M3419/PF3279+


    PCA0050 I2a2-L35/PF3862/S150+


    PCA0060 I1a2a1a1d1a1a1b1~S14669+, Y23135+, Y23136- (or I1a3a1a1~FGC9520/Y6626+)


    PCA0158 I1~CTS5887/Z2792+
    Sounds interesting.
    Do you know which period these 4 samples are from?
    If they are early then it would make perfekt sense if they spoke germanic.

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    It looks like hobbyists are downloading the files for each sample and analyzing it to determine the Y-DNA hg. That will take some time.

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