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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    Yeah, easy to speak... from Greece.

    edit: that was about the Russia not a threat, blah, blah.
    Yes, it's easy to speak from Greece.

    Now you tell me, where had you been during the last 3 times Greece was at the brink of war with Turkey, whether you have suffered any genocides from the Russians as we have suffered from the Turks, and whether you have any territorial disputes with Russia like we have with Turkey, or even if any part of Latvia is under the Russian boot as 37% of Cyprus is under the boot of Turkey, and above all, inform me of the status of military service in Latvia and whether you still have conscription as Greece does and whether you have served 23 months in the Latvian military as I have served in the Greek military.

    Because you are so smart, you figured out the Russians are after you...

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    Now, come on...this is what Democrat conventions are supposed to be like...I've always liked the theater. The music is great, too. :)

    I still think that when push comes to shove 90% of them will vote for Hillary. How the 10% who will bolt will factor in, along with the "Never Trump" people, remains to be seen.

    To some extent, the nationwide polls are irrelevant of course, given the electoral college system. It's the state by state polls that are important. The most significant are Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, maybe Pennsylvania. Guess where he's been holding rallies? That Pennsylvania is in play is huge. When was the last time Pennsylvania was red? Florida is essential, and with all the recent Puerto Rican migration I really think it's going to be a cliffhanger until the very end. I actually doubt he's going to get it. There have been a lot of demographic changes in Florida.

    You can see how close the states are, here:
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

    He came out with another doozy...

    "Russia, I hope you have those 33,000 e-mails." Now the Democrats are foaming at the mouth saying he's encouraging Russian espionage.

    He shouldn't have said it, but to be fair, he isn't encouraging them to hack her server; in fact, it's already been wiped. I know it's a lawyerly distinction, but it's true nonetheless. The Democrat Party is also not the U.S. If someone indeed hacked it in the past and has the e-mails, I don't think they should be rewarded, but on the other hand I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I'd love to see them. If it happens and there's something terrible in them, all bets are off.

    On another topic, the prosecutors dropped the charges against the so far untried police officers in the Freddie Gay case. They really had no choice since the Judge had dismissed so many of the prosecutions.

    IMO, Prosecutor Moseby should be impeached and if that doesn't happen, she should be reported to the Bar Association for disciplinary action.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...727-story.html

    Not that it should matter, but here is the Judge.
    http://www.northstarnewstoday.com/ne...en-handedness/

    Here he goes...let's talk about the convention...they didn't honor our police, and there were no flags...

    It's his kind of town, Scranton, gritty, scrappy and blue collar.


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    Russia, I hope you have those 33,000 e-mails.


    I think the "he's encouraging Russian espionage!" thing is a pretty pathetic attempt at distracting from their own obvious corruption.

    "Who cares if we're liars, criminals and cheats...THE RUSSIANS OMG IVAN'S SPYING ON OUR SUBVERSIONS OF DEMOCRACY!"

    Edit: oh, wow. Trump says the Russians probably have her deleted mail, so CNN's top headline right now?

    Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

    Our media are absolutely clownshoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    Yeah, easy to speak... from Greece.

    edit: that was about the Russia not a threat, blah, blah.
    personally I prefer a stronger EU with strong trade agreements with Russia,
    a common logic umbrella of fair treaties, than a stupid embargo uppon which both Greece and balts lose,
    as long as EU is healthy and strong balts have nothing to fear,
    NATO military existance is like scratch skin with hard nails,
    In Greece we know it from Junda times,
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Yes, it's easy to speak from Greece.

    Now you tell me, where had you been during the last 3 times Greece was at the brink of war with Turkey, whether you have suffered any genocides from the Russians as we have suffered from the Turks, and whether you have any territorial disputes with Russia like we have with Turkey, or even if any part of Latvia is under the Russian boot as 37% of Cyprus is under the boot of Turkey, and above all, inform me of the status of military service in Latvia and whether you still have conscription as Greece does and whether you have served 23 months in the Latvian military as I have served in the Greek military.

    Because you are so smart, you figured out the Russians are after you...
    Well, I hope I have access to Western internet at the end of year 2017 to tell that you are right. Really, I try to admit when I am wrong.

    I admire Greek fighting spirit and for 10 million nation to stand up against 80 millions is great. The last time was Imia/Kardak?

    Even then I do not understand your point. Isolationist America if only in rhetoric is not good for either Greece or Latvia. They played a role in not escalating Imia/Kardak crysis.
    "The immediate military threat was defused primarily by American officials—in particular, US envoy Richard Holbrooke, working by telephone with officials of both sides during the final hours of the crisis. The Greeks and Turks did not speak directly to one another, but were responsive to Washington's assistance as an informal intermediary. Agreement was given by both sides to the United States to return to the "status quo ante"—i.e., differing views on sovereignty and no military forces on the islets. Greek and Turkish officials provided assurances to the United States that their military forces on and arrayed around the islets would be removed, with the U.S. agreeing to monitor the withdrawal.[8] While US engagement was instrumental in defusing the crisis, the fundamental territorial issue has remained unresolved since that time."

    Now imagine Erdogan backed by Putin (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/putin-and-erdogan-the-start-of-a-beautiful-friendship-54742) trying a provocation in Aegean.
    Clinton would react in predictable US manner.
    How would Trump react? Would he care of some distant tiny island issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    Well, I hope I have access to Western internet at the end of year 2017 to tell that you are right. Really, I try to admit when I am wrong.

    I admire Greek fighting spirit and for 10 million nation to stand up against 80 millions is great. The last time was Imia/Kardak?

    Even then I do not understand your point. Isolationist America if only in rhetoric is not good for either Greece or Latvia. They played a role in not escalating Imia/Kardak crysis.
    "The immediate military threat was defused primarily by American officials—in particular, US envoy Richard Holbrooke, working by telephone with officials of both sides during the final hours of the crisis. The Greeks and Turks did not speak directly to one another, but were responsive to Washington's assistance as an informal intermediary. Agreement was given by both sides to the United States to return to the "status quo ante"—i.e., differing views on sovereignty and no military forces on the islets. Greek and Turkish officials provided assurances to the United States that their military forces on and arrayed around the islets would be removed, with the U.S. agreeing to monitor the withdrawal.[8] While US engagement was instrumental in defusing the crisis, the fundamental territorial issue has remained unresolved since that time."

    Now imagine Erdogan backed by Putin (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/putin-and-erdogan-the-start-of-a-beautiful-friendship-54742) trying a provocation in Aegean.
    Clinton would react in predictable US manner.
    How would Trump react? Would he care of some distant tiny island issue?
    Excellent points, Arvistro, and you're indeed a very fair and balanced poster. I enjoy your posts very much.

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    They've been listening to the criticism: Invocation which mentions the gunning down of the police, Presenting of the Colors, The Pledge of Allegiance, and The Star Spangled Banner. Nice touch...an eleven year old Hispanic kid singing.

    Oh dear, almost no cheers at the end. Maybe it would have been better not to do it. Did someone mention "tone deaf"?

    Switched over to the Trump rally: He referenced all the hub bub over his comments about the Russians and the e-mails, going into a rif about how he was watching the news when it first broke, and heard some newscaster say...Russia hacked the Democrats...it must be Trump too, or something like that. " I was half asleep because this guy is like the most boring guy in the world, but I jumped up and said what the hell did I do now?" He then said the guy is as much of a pathological liar as Jon Lovitz playing The Pathological Liar on Saturday Night Live.

    See, this is the problem for people like me who are afraid he'll win...he's quick and he's funny and he has his finger on the pulse of American media.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4

    Why did we have to wind up with these two at the end of the day? I've got agita.

    Oh, and somebody tell David Gergen it's time to hang up his spurs. The man's been wrong, by my estimation, about absolutely everything, and yet CNN keeps paying him to appear. He famously said, remember, that Clinton would be removed from office for lying under oath about his sexual peccadillos. Now he's saying this quip of Donald's will sink him. Er...I'm thinking not. Plus, he's congratulating the Democrats that viewership for the first two nights is bigger than the Republican's had. God, David, I'm watching most of it, but for the music; it's like a Concert for America. You know what it would normally cost to watch all these people?

    Why are so may stupid, clueless people paid to give their opinions on TV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    Well, I hope I have access to Western internet at the end of year 2017 to tell that you are right. Really, I try to admit when I am wrong.

    I admire Greek fighting spirit and for 10 million nation to stand up against 80 millions is great. The last time was Imia/Kardak?

    Even then I do not understand your point. Isolationist America if only in rhetoric is not good for either Greece or Latvia. They played a role in not escalating Imia/Kardak crysis.
    "The immediate military threat was defused primarily by American officials—in particular, US envoy Richard Holbrooke, working by telephone with officials of both sides during the final hours of the crisis. The Greeks and Turks did not speak directly to one another, but were responsive to Washington's assistance as an informal intermediary. Agreement was given by both sides to the United States to return to the "status quo ante"—i.e., differing views on sovereignty and no military forces on the islets. Greek and Turkish officials provided assurances to the United States that their military forces on and arrayed around the islets would be removed, with the U.S. agreeing to monitor the withdrawal.[8] While US engagement was instrumental in defusing the crisis, the fundamental territorial issue has remained unresolved since that time."

    Now imagine Erdogan backed by Putin (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/putin-and-erdogan-the-start-of-a-beautiful-friendship-54742) trying a provocation in Aegean.
    Clinton would react in predictable US manner.
    How would Trump react? Would he care of some distant tiny island issue?
    I cannot imagine Erdogan backed by Putin in any universe, this one or a parallel one. Russia has been constantly on the Greek side on virtually every issue since it was Soviet Union and even earlier, while Greece and Russia have a very long relationship in the past, Russia was instrumental at securing the Greek independence against the Ottoman empire in the early 19th century, the first Greek prime minister was the foreign minister of Russia who also helped draft the Swiss constitution.

    The U.S. of A. has taken a VERY LONG TIME tolerating the mishaps of Turkey, and even today it remains a member of NATO. Meanwhile the EU is supposed to defend European territory just as NATO does, which means that the EU army (which was opposed by Britain until now) is a far better alternative to NATO.

    Meanwhile, if you want to know Trumps' opinion on Turkey, why don't you just listen to him personally. (after 2:03):



    Did I mention that Erdogan is an Islamist and everyone from Putin to Trump is converging on them as targets of their rhetoric, if not military actions?

    Did I mention that Erdogan supported ISIS, colluded with Saudi Arabia and Qatar to destroy Syria and so on?

    Do I need to explain to you that Clinton makes decisions based upon the funds received by the Clinton foundation, and that the Clinton foundation is heavily financed by the Muslim states while Turkey spends a hell lot more for lobbying than Greece shall ever do?

    P.S.

    I am sorry if the Russians cut off your internet connection, but do me a favor, don't make it an issue of importance....

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    Well, I hope I have access to Western internet at the end of year 2017 to tell that you are right. Really, I try to admit when I am wrong.

    I admire Greek fighting spirit and for 10 million nation to stand up against 80 millions is great. The last time was Imia/Kardak?

    Even then I do not understand your point. Isolationist America if only in rhetoric is not good for either Greece or Latvia. They played a role in not escalating Imia/Kardak crysis.
    "The immediate military threat was defused primarily by American officials—in particular, US envoy Richard Holbrooke, working by telephone with officials of both sides during the final hours of the crisis. The Greeks and Turks did not speak directly to one another, but were responsive to Washington's assistance as an informal intermediary. Agreement was given by both sides to the United States to return to the "status quo ante"—i.e., differing views on sovereignty and no military forces on the islets. Greek and Turkish officials provided assurances to the United States that their military forces on and arrayed around the islets would be removed, with the U.S. agreeing to monitor the withdrawal.[8] While US engagement was instrumental in defusing the crisis, the fundamental territorial issue has remained unresolved since that time."

    Now imagine Erdogan backed by Putin (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/putin-and-erdogan-the-start-of-a-beautiful-friendship-54742) trying a provocation in Aegean.
    Clinton would react in predictable US manner.
    How would Trump react? Would he care of some distant tiny island issue?
    the Imia-kardak case was a setup case,
    every year fighting airplanes drop at sea,
    I served at marines special forces,
    believe me every time Turks had a military exercise, I was spitting rust sleeping at open sea ships, like this one LST-1076 for weeks, 6 persons at a troop chamber 3,2 x 2,2 x 3,2 m and tooth brush and shave with salt water, and knowing that at my troop/bed, dead corpses from vietnam were transfered.
    but fear is not a good advisor, fear shows weakness,
    you must be always prepaired for war, but always give your best shelf at diplomacy and treaties first, commerce is no 1,

    Imia was a set case, for inner Turkey public-media consume.
    only we lost some good and honoured man there by the stupidity of politicians,
    if you know the story well Yavuz would be rust at the bottom today,

    Putin is not Stupid,
    he wont backed neither Turkey, neither Greece, do not hear what they say,

    as also is not stupid to take or enter baltic lands,
    just give him fair treaty, and prepair for war,
    Russia today has the both exits she wants, to Baltic sea, and to Black sea,
    the only exit she lust for, is the forbiden one, the mediterrenean sea, although she controls Lattakeia,

    after finish my military obligations I faced the other face of Nato, the good one,
    I worked as scientific advisor for 'big Nato plans' such as constructions in countries that needed help,
    that is the other face of Nato, the good one, roads, hospitals, powerplants etc etc are build by Nato designers, under umbrella of donations or straight use or developement plants,

    but Nato has also other face, the ugly one, like Jundas, economical killers, assasins, media control, etc etc.



    that happened at end of April 2016



    want more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    I cannot imagine Erdogan backed by Putin in any universe, this one or a parallel one. Russia has been constantly on the Greek side on virtually every issue since it was Soviet Union and even earlier, while Greece and Russia have a very long relationship in the past, Russia was instrumental at securing the Greek independence against the Ottoman empire in the early 19th century, the first Greek prime minister was the foreign minister of Russia who also helped draft the Swiss constitution.

    The U.S. of A. has taken a VERY LONG TIME tolerating the mishaps of Turkey, and even today it remains a member of NATO. Meanwhile the EU is supposed to defend European territory just as NATO does, which means that the EU army (which was opposed by Britain until now) is a far better alternative to NATO.

    Meanwhile, if you want to know Trumps' opinion on Turkey, why don't you just listen to him personally. (after 2:03):



    Did I mention that Erdogan is an Islamist and everyone from Putin to Trump is converging on them as targets of their rhetoric, if not military actions?

    Did I mention that Erdogan supported ISIS, colluded with Saudi Arabia and Qatar to destroy Syria and so on?

    Do I need to explain to you that Clinton makes decisions based upon the funds received by the Clinton foundation, and that the Clinton foundation is heavily financed by the Muslim states while Turkey spends a hell lot more for lobbying than Greece shall ever do?

    P.S.

    I am sorry if the Russians cut off your internet connection, but do me a favor, don't make it an issue of importance....
    I'm wondering why you go to such great lengths to defend Russia and Putin. Yes, what the American government has done is wrong on many levels, but can't we criticize both? Every time someone criticizes Putin, this crowd will accuse them of distracting from the American government's corruption. Also posting videos from Alex Jones probably doesn't leave the best impression online.

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    My favorite speech from Democratic Convention.
    https://youtu.be/M3jq_cFo6n8
    I'm in tune with Bloomberg.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    He came out with another doozy...

    "Russia, I hope you have those 33,000 e-mails." Now the Democrats are foaming at the mouth saying he's encouraging Russian espionage.
    This is wrong of him on many levels. His words exactly:
    “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’ll be able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”
    I think he is really stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    I'm wondering why you go to such great lengths to defend Russia and Putin.
    I didn't defend Putin and Russia. I merely pointed out that Russia does never attack towards the west but rather towards the south of Russia. By acknowledging that Russia does attack somewhere, I acknowledge that neither Putin nor Russia are saints.

    Yes, what the American government has done is wrong on many levels, but can't we criticize both?
    When did I prevent you from criticizing anyone? I merely stick to the facts.

    Every time someone criticizes Putin, this crowd will accuse them of distracting from the American government's corruption. Also posting videos from Alex Jones probably doesn't leave the best impression online.
    I didn't blame anyone of criticizing Putin. I merely pointed out that the Russian threat towards any European member state is at best fictitious, at worst limited to cyberwarfare. This is a fact.

    I can't help it if Trump spoke about Turkey on Alex Jones' channel, and I never asked from anyone to see the entire video, merely the point after 2:03 where they discuss Turkey. I am fully aware that Alex Jones is a clown, but still far better than Cenk Uighur... Alex Jones, much like Donald Trump, could occasionally speak the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    I cannot imagine Erdogan backed by Putin in any universe, this one or a parallel one.
    Hittler and Stalin made a pact before WW II and that was not in another universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    Hittler and Stalin made a pact before WW II and that was not in another universe.
    Putin is neither Stalin nor Hitler, and the modern world is a far cry from WWII.

    Furthermore, Putin and Erdogan have already clashed fiercely over Syria, Chechnya, and the Tatars of Crimea. Hitler and Stalin had a long history of cooperation, going as far as Germany copying the concept of the paratroopers from the Soviets, before the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and no clashes outside of ideology.

    What you are clearly missing though, is that Stalin preferred to make a pact with Britain instead, but the British representatives were not authorized to conclude an agreement. Since he was in a rush, he picked the agreement that Hitler gave him:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloto...nich_Agreement

    Starting in mid-March 1939, in attempts to contain Hitler's expansionism, the Soviet Union, Britain and France traded a flurry of suggestions and counterplans regarding a potential political and military agreement.[42][43] Although informal consultations commenced in April, the main negotiations began only in May.[43] At the same time, throughout early 1939, Germany had secretly hinted to Soviet diplomats that it could offer better terms for a political agreement than Britain and France.[44][45][46]The Soviet Union, which feared Western powers and the possibility of "capitalist encirclements", had little faith either that war could be avoided, or faith in the Polish army, and wanted nothing less than an ironclad military alliance with France and Britain[47] that would provide a guaranteed support for a two-pronged attack on Germany;[48] thus, Stalin's adherence to the collective security line was purely conditional.[49] Britain and France believed that war could still be avoided, and that the Soviet Union, weakened by the Great Purge,[50] could not be a main military participant,[48] a point that many military sources were at variance with, especially Soviet victories over the Japanese Kwantung army on the Manchurian frontier.[51] France was more anxious to find an agreement with the USSR than was Britain; as a continental power, it was more willing to make concessions, more fearful of the dangers of an agreement between the USSR and Germany.[52] These contrasting attitudes partly explain why the USSR has often been charged with playing a double game in 1939: carrying on open negotiations for an alliance with Britain and France while secretly considering propositions from Germany.[52]
    By the end of May, drafts were formally presented.[43] In mid-June, the main Tripartite negotiations started.[53] The discussion was focused on potential guarantees to central and east European countries should a German aggression arise.[54] The USSR proposed to consider that a political turn towards Germany by the Baltic states would constitute an "indirect aggression" towards the Soviet Union.[55] Britain opposed such proposals, because they feared the Soviets' proposed language could justify a Soviet intervention in Finland and the Baltic states, or push those countries to seek closer relations with Germany.[56][57] The discussion about a definition of "indirect aggression" became one of the sticking points between the parties, and by mid-July, the tripartite political negotiations effectively stalled, while the parties agreed to start negotiations on a military agreement, which the Soviets insisted must be entered into simultaneously with any political agreement.[58]
    ...And of course there has never been a military cooperation between Russia and Turkey under Putin and Erdogan respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Just for some clarity...

    Donald Trump is sui generis for our times, in my opinion. If I had to describe him I'd say that he's a populist and a nationalist. He certainly isn't a Republican, and his positions aren't those of the Republican Party. I have no idea whom he's been voting for over his lifetime, but he's given more money to Democrats. He doesn't believe in small government, has expressed no desire to tackle the problems of Social Security, or to reign in spending and lower taxes. He's socially progressive and always has been. In all those ways he's like another billionaire New York businessman: Bloomberg.

    The difference is that he's an isolationist, nationalist, and nativist who identifies with working class and lower middle class Americans, probably because he's spent his life working with them and has always seen himself as a kid from Queens taking on the elites in Manhattan. He's against illegal immigration because he believes that a constant influx of undocumented workers drives down the wages of American born workers. In that he reflects the views of his working class and lower middle class employees. I think he also is genuinely concerned about the violence and drug trafficking along our southern border and in our inner cities. I don't believe that it stems from actual racism. He's certainly not an anti-Semite, not with a beloved daughter and grandchildren who are Jewish. He's a known quantity in New York. If he were expressing racist sentiments or treating people of different races with contempt, we would know. There certainly hasn't been a hint of it in his dealings with all his thousands of Hispanic employees. However, his unrestrained and bellicose rhetoric, with his talk of building walls and deporting millions of people have alienated Hispanics. He's also genuinely a law and order type person and a strong supporter of the police. That has alienated blacks.

    So, with blacks and Hispanics out of reach, that leaves him with a totally white base of support. If he got most of them, he'd win handily, but regardless of whether he hires and competitively pays a lot of women, and promotes them much more than Hillary does, his rhetoric toward them turns white women, especially educated white women off. He also has a big problem with millennials. In my opinion, they've been so indoctrinated by their Marxist teachers that they're turned off by what he would undoubtedly say to them, which is get off your duffs and get a job, stop bashing capitalism and make it work for you.

    Just when I think that he might actually have a shot, like after his speech at the convention, he steps all over his own message by engaging in another petty rampage against Ted Cruz and Kuchinic. I mean, take a look at this clip. Look at his facial expressions and listen to his voice. The man is temperamentally unfit to be president of the United States. Would anyone sleep well at night knowing that he has his finger on the nuclear button? That's over and beyond the fact that I don't think he understands the complexities of any of the issues he'd be facing, not even the domestic ones, much less the foreign policy ones.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOgj9upo8Eo

    As to Ted Cruz, there's nothing honorable or courageous, in my opinion, about giving someone your word you'll endorse him, agreeing to speak at his convention, and then showing up and sticking a knife in his back. The double dealing that anyone who had dealt with him personally knew about was suddenly out in the open, and I don't think it will stand him in good stead. As for his expressed politics, he's far to the right of anyone else who ran, and that's socially and economically and politically.When he talked about "voting your conscience" he wasn't at all implying that he had any problem with Trump's views on immigration; far from it, he was often competing for who could be more against illegal immigration. He was alluding to the fact that Trump isn't conservative enough.

    As for the voting patterns of black Americans, the huge majority of black Americans support Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders. You don't need to look at polls; all you need to do is look at Bernie rallies versus Clinton rallies. They're astonishingly white, maybe even more white than Trump rallies.

    As for Hillary, just to be clear I don't "hate" her personally, not even the way I "hate" Ted Cruz. Neither do I subscribe to all those old conspiracy theories about Vince Foster and on and on. I just think she's incredibly corrupt, the embodiment of "politics as usual", crony capitalism, take money and support from every lobby, minority and special interest group, and to hell with what's in the best interest of the country. She's also incompetent in my opinion. That's all over and above the fact that on fiscal matters she's way too liberal for me.

    Just saw that Wiki Leaks has announced that their next e-mail dump will "ensure that Hillary Clinton is arrested." I doubt it; the fix is in. One can hope, however. Then, Tom Kaine would be at the head of the ticket. He sure doesn't make my heart go pitter-patter, but he's infinitely better than Clinton.
    I find it hilarious that American "nationalists" would be in bed with the Kremlin…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    I find it hilarious that American "nationalists" would be in bed with the Kremlin…
    Its a threesome actually, you left out Europe's far right. They are madly in love with each other..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    Its a threesome actually, you left out Europe's far right. They are madly in love with each other..........
    It seems contradictory that due to their ethnocentrism they would want to embrace Eurasianism. It's because they see Western values such as tolerance and freedom as self-destructive, so naturally they would embrace one of the most backwards, primitive (partially) European nations in terms of social values. As a European nationalist who is quite clearly to the right of the political spectrum, I see liberal values as one of the greatest European and American achievements, and something to be protected from external invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    It seems contradictory that due to their ethnocentrism they would want to embrace Eurasianism. It's because they see Western values such as tolerance and freedom as self-destructive, so naturally they would embrace one of the most backwards, primitive (partially) European nations in terms of social values. As a European nationalist who is quite clearly to the right of the political spectrum, I see liberal values as one of the greatest European and American achievements, and something to be protected from external invaders.
    Both Le pen and Trump admires Putin, and the other way round. Both Le pen and Trump want EU dismantled, watch Russian TV and feel its attitude towards the EU. Just some bond factors. There are more.... such as boasting of non political correctness (whatever that means) and anti Establishment (whatever that means)..........and more. Its a love affair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    Both Le pen and Trump admires Putin, and the other way round. Both Le pen and Trump want EU dismantled, watch Russian TV and feel its attitude towards the EU. Just some bond factors. There are more.... such as boasting of non political correctness (whatever that means) and anti Establishment (whatever that means)..........and more. Its a love affair
    I'm against political correctness because I support freedom of speech. No freedom of speech = Russia. Therefore, totalitarianism would arrive in a different form if European nations embraced the Russian system of governance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    I'm against political correctness because I support freedom of speech.
    Political correctness does not relate to lack of freedom of speech. There are ways and ways to say exactly the same thing.

    *)One can encourage someone to reflect on what they are doing without resentment and anger through the way something has been said to them.

    *)The other way is using fighting words and aggressive speech and body language saying EXACTLY the same thing, automatically releasing a state of anger protection approach steering up emotions and sentiments getting in the way to any compromise towards what is being said on an individual /s and so on.

    Very often this is the pattern it follows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    Political correctness does not relate to lack of freedom of speech. There are ways and ways to say exactly the same thing.

    *)One can encourage someone to reflect on what they are doing without resentment and anger through the way something has been said to them.

    *)The other way is using fighting words and aggressive speech and body language saying EXACTLY the same thing, automatically releasing a state of anger protection approach steering up emotions and sentiments getting in the way to any compromise towards what is being said on an individual /s and so on.

    Very often this is the pattern it follows.
    Being able to use "fighting words and aggressive speech and body language saying EXACTLY the same thing, automatically releasing a state of anger…" is still legal. It is part of free speech to say whatever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I have to admit, I don't really like any of them. I voted Rubio, as the one closer to the center, still having some chance of winning if super delegates choose so, and as a lesser evil. I don't think any of them is a good material for a leader. I would rather pick Obama or Romney from last election. On brighter side we have one billion dollar worth of reality show for a whole year paid by candidates and their faithful.
    Every since Obama became president, the middle class suffers, they have to pay for the lower class for something they work very hard for. My aunt and uncle have to pay $US600 medicare per month and the poor pays nothing. This is for US citizens over age of 65. If you are the upper class you got heaps of money to give away you don't feel the pain, but if you are not this is very unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    Being able to use "fighting words and aggressive speech and body language saying EXACTLY the same thing, automatically releasing a state of anger…" is still legal. It is part of free speech to say whatever you want.
    Indeed, but what is the point? what is the intent? what is the outcome? what are the consequences? one needs to be wise enough to justify one over the other. Its not just a cool fashion trend. This also a denial of the many shades of grey concept, which is the reality of life. Some people are made up in a way that they cannot digest much information so the many greys of shade between black and white feels cumbersome and maybe unnecessary in their psyche, so a mantra of simple lines can give a sense of comfort just like a magic potion. Works well on the mind. But we ALL know life is not that simple and the many different grades of shades between the Black and White are very much a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minty View Post
    Every since Obama became president, the middle class suffers, they have to pay for the lower class for something they work very hard for. My aunt and uncle have to pay $US600 medicare per month and the poor pays nothing. This is for US citizens over age of 65. If you are the upper class you got heaps of money to give away you don't feel the pain, but if you are not this is very unfair.
    when we say poor probably its people who are unemployed, who are disabled and cannot really hold a job. Most of the times there are good reasons but you can also get people who abuse a system. What is the alternative? dump people who for genuine reason cannot make a proper living onto a trash heap? or care for those that for some good reason cannot at least be entitled for basic things in life? In Europe we pay national Insurace besides tax that covers free health and many other services. If a person is disabled they get a minimal pension and very often unless helped by charity organizations and family they can easily fall under the poverty lines. Every year locally we collect Millions of Euros to help those who genuinely need help. Mostly helping those who need treatment overseas which are not covered by health insurances both private and government. Why not?

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