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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
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    A New York (Italian !?) mayor going for Bernie!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new...bernie-sanders


    the background of de Blasio winner of the Da Vinci Award:
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    ... Reminder: Bernie Sanders a ... Who Didn’t Earn His First Steady Paycheck Until He Was 40 Then Wormed His Way Into Politics ...

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    https://twitter.com/Italians4Trump


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    As if Italian Americans only support leftists. What about Antonin Scalia, one of the greatest justices of the Supreme Court EVER, as well as one of the most conservative? Alito is pretty good too.

    I guess people also haven't heard of Giuliani, or all the other Italian-Americans who surround Trump, including one of his lawyers at the Senate Trial. Of course, the latter makes sense: Trump is a New Yorker. We're a strong presence in the Metropolitan area and he's been around Italian Americans all his life. Obviously, some are going to wind up being friends and allies.

    For the record, De Blasio is half Italian, having taken his mother's surname when his worthless father left him. He's also, in my opinion, and I interact constantly with the city, one of the worst mayors New York has ever had, almost as bad as Dinkins, when the city was turning into a cesspit. The city is deteriorating under my eyes, with all the petty crime intervening mayors got rid of making an appearance again, infrastructure not being maintained, businesses leaving again because of his insane taxation policies, the police force demoralized because of his lack of support and on and on.

    Plus, his woke b.s. is a constant embarrassment, as is his obvious stupidity.

    The only reason he's mayor is because of the minority vote. God willing he'll be out next time around, or New York runs the risk of turning into another Detroit. That goes for our mayor, Andrew Cuomo, as well. Mario Cuomo, his father, was also a liberal, but he never believed in the far left woke b.s. that his son espouses. Clearly, the intellectual brilliance got watered down.

    If Bernie gets the nomination, I personally can't wait until they start running the ads showing him in Central America supporting the "Revolution", or praising Castro and Communist Cuba, or speaking in front of the radical left groups he loves. That's the problem when you've been a "public servant" for so many years. There's tons of media material. :)

    Same goes for that phony Bloomberg. Look at him when they bring up Stop and Frisk and Red-lining. What does he do? Is he honest and does he explain what he did and why for so many years? Of course not. He squirms and lies and finally says "Forgive me, I was so wrong". What a disgusting display of cowardice and lack of convictions. He'll say anything to get elected.

    I don't know which one I dislike more.

    At least I got one present this week: Elizabeth Warren is going bye-bye. Another phoney.



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    Hahah I see the mud-throwing campaign machine is already running over times....

    I can rationalize that Bernie is too "niche" for the US and in the crucial swing states he is not going get support of the older -not sure rep or democrats- voters....ok all right that's cool calculation.

    But don't underestimate Bernie, you may dislike his policy.....but I think he is going to make his opponents in the Democratic Party and eventually Trump very tough.

    Because Bernie Sanders is authentic, he has a very clear "why " that transcends it's own ego; he is grassroots, not a man where you can expect dirty stories, no machinations like is associated with the Capitol Hill etc etc. People can feel that by intuition.

    So no Slikky Willy ruled by the opinion poles and speaking like a script talking head....no deplorable speeches like Clinton, because his commitment is always been there, and what he says he is convinced of. And that makes him hard to get! Mark my words.....

    If it's enough to resist the "red scarce" and the mud campaign, we will see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Hahah I see the mud-throwing campaign machine is already running over times....

    I can rationalize that Bernie is too "niche" for the US and in the crucial swing states he is not going get support of the older -not sure rep or democrats- voters....ok all right that's cool calculation.

    But don't underestimate Bernie, you may dislike his policy.....but I think he is going to make his opponents in the Democratic Party and eventually Trump very tough.

    Because Bernie Sanders is authentic, he has a very clear "why " that transcends it's own ego; he is grassroots, not a man where you can expect dirty stories, no machinations like is associated with the Capitol Hill etc etc. People can feel that by intuition.

    So no Slikky Willy ruled by the opinion poles and speaking like a script talking head....no deplorable speeches like Clinton, because his commitment is always been there, and what he says he is convinced of. And that makes him hard to get! Mark my words.....

    If it's enough to resist the "red scarce" and the mud campaign, we will see!
    Bernie needs the “Real Men and Women“ and the mothers of boys, to win a General Election,
    and These people :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Bernie needs the “Real Men and Women“ and the mothers of boys, to win a General Election,
    and These people :

    Congrat. Salento, I must admit you 've got sense of humor!

    The reality is even worse than the stereotype! ROFLOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Hahah I see the mud-throwing campaign machine is already running over times....

    I can rationalize that Bernie is too "niche" for the US and in the crucial swing states he is not going get support of the older -not sure rep or democrats- voters....ok all right that's cool calculation.

    But don't underestimate Bernie, you may dislike his policy.....but I think he is going to make his opponents in the Democratic Party and eventually Trump very tough.

    Because Bernie Sanders is authentic, he has a very clear "why " that transcends it's own ego; he is grassroots, not a man where you can expect dirty stories, no machinations like is associated with the Capitol Hill etc etc. People can feel that by intuition.

    So no Slikky Willy ruled by the opinion poles and speaking like a script talking head....no deplorable speeches like Clinton, because his commitment is always been there, and what he says he is convinced of. And that makes him hard to get! Mark my words.....

    If it's enough to resist the "red scarce" and the mud campaign, we will see!
    Mud is in the eye of the beholder; they throw mud at my candidate, we tell the truth about theirs.

    And yes, Bernie is doing well because he's authentic, but also because he stands for something. It's not something I support, but he doesn't lie like Warren, deny or apologize for his former positions like Bloomberg, or obfuscate like Buttigieg (that man can talk longer while saying nothing . . .). And, like Trump, he challenges the current (fixed?) system of job-seeking politicians who seem concerned only with keeping their personal gravy train going (i.e. Biden).

    I don't believe Bernie transcends his ego. No person who claims he's the best candidate to be President (in a country of over 300 million!) is anything but driven by his ego. I also don't think he stands a chance in the general election. Socialism has never had a hold in this country, not even during the Depression, and in the current economy I doubt the voters will be looking to dramatically transform the country as Sanders appears to want to do. This country tends towards incrementalism. It's safe and doesn't threaten all the good things we already have.

    As for Trump, like many Americans I don't like the man himself (he's a blowhard, a bully, and know-it-all), but I like that he has kept the promises he made on the campaign trail (mostly) and I like what he has accomplished on the economy, the border, and our relations with NATO, the Middle East and China. Now, if he'd just stop tweeting . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Mud is in the eye of the beholder; they throw mud at my candidate, we tell the truth about theirs.

    And yes, Bernie is doing well because he's authentic, but also because he stands for something. It's not something I support, but he doesn't lie like Warren, deny or apologize for his former positions like Bloomberg, or obfuscate like Buttigieg (that man can talk longer while saying nothing . . .). And, like Trump, he challenges the current (fixed?) system of job-seeking politicians who seem concerned only with keeping their personal gravy train going (i.e. Biden).

    I don't believe Bernie transcends his ego. No person who claims he's the best candidate to be President (in a country of over 300 million!) is anything but driven by his ego. I also don't think he stands a chance in the general election. Socialism has never had a hold in this country, not even during the Depression, and in the current economy I doubt the voters will be looking to dramatically transform the country as Sanders appears to want to do. This country tends towards incrementalism. It's safe and doesn't threaten all the good things we already have.

    As for Trump, like many Americans I don't like the man himself (he's a blowhard, a bully, and know-it-all), but I like that he has kept the promises he made on the campaign trail (mostly) and I like what he has accomplished on the economy, the border, and our relations with NATO, the Middle East and China. Now, if he'd just stop tweeting . . .
    hahah indeed....but that's his toy....and a way to send his messages in the world.... I don't think he throws it away!

    Mind you I'm from oversea sisshem so no real candidate in the race. I find it rather interesting that someone who is sort of ideological related can have a chance to be the nominee of the Democrats. But let's see of the powers that be will prevent this or not.

    He reminds me very much of on old Dutch prime minister Joop Den Uyl, the same drive, but oh so serious! It's like if the problems of the world is on their shoulders....like a task.

    But anyhow it keeps surprising me that you see the disadvantages of Trump, but keep a kind of a-moral stance (Angela spoke already in the same way), like in a saying: 'if the cat is black or white doesn't matter if he catches mice it's ok... ' By the way this is from Mao, you wouldn't lik to end up like a Maoist don't you

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    uncomfortable tweets? ... swamp (old status quo) outrage? lol

    I wish all the Candidates were that transparent expressing real unfiltered thoughts/positions!

    nobody reads lame scripted tweets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    hahah indeed....but that's his toy....and a way to send his messages in the world.... I don't think he throws it away!

    Mind you I'm from oversea sisshem so no real candidate in the race. I find it rather interesting that someone who is sort of ideological related can have a chance to be the nominee of the Democrats. But let's see of the powers that be will prevent this or not.

    He reminds me very much of on old Dutch prime minister Joop Den Uyl, the same drive, but oh so serious! It's like if the problems of the world is on their shoulders....like a task.

    But anyhow it keeps surprising me that you see the disadvantages of Trump, but keep a kind of a-moral stance (Angela spoke already in the same way), like in a saying: 'if the cat is black or white doesn't matter if he catches mice it's ok... ' By the way this is from Mao, you wouldn't lik to end up like a Maoist don't you
    Amoral? Well, I don't know about that, but we tried a morally-preening President with Carter and what we got was chaos and incompetence. As I remember the Europeans disliked him as much as any other of our Presidents. You just can't win I guess.

    I don't have to like a leader as long as he accomplishes the things I want him to accomplish, see above. So far Trump has and unless the Democrats field a serious candidate that isn't closer to Mao than I am (you see, I don't intend to end up like a Maoist), I'm voting for him. My Navy experience tells me that it's better to have a right bastard in charge who can lead than a nice guy who just means well.

    And I do know why Trump uses tweets, it is the only direct unmediated line he has to the people (and it drives his opponents and the media crazy, but I repeat myself). It's not unlike Roosevelt's fireside chats on the radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    uncomfortable tweets? ... swamp (old status quo) outrage? lol

    I wish all the Candidates were that transparent expressing real unfiltered thoughts/positions!

    nobody reads lame scripted tweets.
    I suppose if I like Sanders at all it's because he has been transparent, expressing unfiltered support for a lot of awful things I don't want to have happen to this country. But, none the less, he is honest, terrifying so. That's why he's been resonating with the left; finally, an honest politician. That's not something you can say about the rest of the Democratic field.

    BTW, I also think Sander is a blowhard, a bully and a know-it-all.

    I'm not sure Trump is honest. The views he's expressing now are very different to those he held in the past. However, I like where the country is now on the economy, foreign affairs, and defense (I'm a veteran and I'm tired of us fighting other peoples' battles). I can't see into the man's head or his heart so that's what I have to go on. He's got my vote at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Amoral? Well, I don't know about that, but we tried a morally-preening President with Carter and what we got was chaos and incompetence. As I remember the Europeans disliked him as much as any other of our Presidents. You just can't win I guess.

    I don't have to like a leader as long as he accomplishes the things I want him to accomplish, see above. So far Trump has and unless the Democrats field a serious candidate that isn't closer to Mao than I am (you see, I don't intend to end up like a Maoist), I'm voting for him. My Navy experience tells me that it's better to have a right bastard in charge who can lead than a nice guy who just means well.

    And I do know why Trump uses tweets, it is the only direct unmediated line he has to the people (and it drives his opponents and the media crazy, but I repeat myself). It's not unlike Roosevelt's fireside chats on the radio.
    Twittering is more easy for him. He can only send. No difficult questions in return. Just sending no receiving no justification.

    I mean that you have in this respect an amoral stance regarding Trump as long as chimney smokes.....hey what the heck if he is a basterd!

    I guess compared to may be all the previous presidents Trump is the most "un-European one". Certainly compared to Obama.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Amoral? Well, I don't know about that, but we tried a morally-preening President with Carter and what we got was chaos and incompetence. As I remember the Europeans disliked him as much as any other of our Presidents. You just can't win I guess.

    I don't have to like a leader as long as he accomplishes the things I want him to accomplish, see above. So far Trump has and unless the Democrats field a serious candidate that isn't closer to Mao than I am (you see, I don't intend to end up like a Maoist), I'm voting for him. My Navy experience tells me that it's better to have a right bastard in charge who can lead than a nice guy who just means well.

    And I do know why Trump uses tweets, it is the only direct unmediated line he has to the people (and it drives his opponents and the media crazy, but I repeat myself). It's not unlike Roosevelt's fireside chats on the radio.
    By the way thanks I don't share all your views but at least you argue in a clear but agreeable way!! Not as a machine gun burst.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    By the way thanks I don't share all your views but at least you argue in a clear but agreeable way!!
    Thanks, I try. It's not much fun (arguing, disputing, having a conversation) with someone who agrees with everything you write.

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    One of the most unappealing traits in a person, especially in a man: passive aggression.

    Personally attack someone and then feign innocence and hurt when presented with facts you can't refute. Not a good look, buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    One of the most unappealing traits in a person, especially in a man: passive aggression.

    Personally attack someone and then feign innocence and hurt when presented with facts you can't refute. Not a good look, buddy.
    I understand what you are saying vis-à-vis Northerner, but I prefer to accept the thing as stated and move on. Your duty as a Moderator probably won't allow you to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I understand what you are saying vis-à-vis Northerner, but I prefer to accept the thing as stated and move on. Your duty as a Moderator probably won't allow you to do that.
    If it gets bad enough the person insulting other members loses posting privileges.

    Hasn't reached that stage yet. You should see some of the pms I've gotten. You seem like a very decent guy, so I'm sure they'd turn your stomach, as they turn mine. This is nothing in comparison, although I do even in general find it offensive having Europeans who don't understand this country presuming to judge us and our system. Still, unless it gets really personal, I let it go.

    I find that ignoring the lesser offenders works pretty well. Without the attention they crave they often go elsewhere.

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    @Northerner, why wouldn't Italian-Americans (mostly southerners) be Republican? They're one of the higher income earners, as an ethnicity, in the U.S.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

    Italians are clannish by nature, which works out very well in the USA. We don't give a damn about people outside of our families, usually.

    Also, as Angela said Italian-Americans, come out very strong in support for Trump. Not to mention all of the Italians he surrounds himself with, Giuliani, Manaforte, Bossie, Christie, Pompeo. Some people even accuse Trump of acting like a stereotypical Italian-American. He's from NYC, it is a different ball game here, than what people in other parts of the world may think they know about Italians...
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    One of the most unappealing traits in a person, especially in a man: passive aggression.

    Personally attack someone and then feign innocence and hurt when presented with facts you can't refute. Not a good look, buddy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    If it gets bad enough the person insulting other members loses posting privileges.

    Hasn't reached that stage yet. You should see some of the pms I've gotten. You seem like a very decent guy, so I'm sure they'd turn your stomach, as they turn mine. This is nothing in comparison, although I do even in general find it offensive having Europeans who don't understand this country presuming to judge us and our system. Still, unless it gets really personal, I let it go.

    I find that ignoring the lesser offenders works pretty well. Without the attention they crave they often go elsewhere.
    I leave the floor on this specific topic, to "entre nous" obviously seeking self-assertion. That's exactly the atmosphere I see in the US today (especially regarding Europeans, the gap is widening).

    A last remark in this respect:

    "having Europeans who don't understand this country"

    the preambule of the rules:
    The Eupedia Forum is a community of people who share a deep interest in Europe and European culture.
    So I would say if you don't want that Europeans are discussing about the US why start this kind of discussion on an European orientated Forum.
    I bet there are in the US forums enough were you can discuss about this subject without European disturbers ;)

    The remarks about my personality I leave them for what they are. But I want to make clear I never PM'ed you Angela!

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    Well, I watched the debate, first one I've watched this cycle, and it was worth it! It was like mud wrestling, with all the candidates jumping on Bloomberg. As any New Yorker could have predicted, Mike was a disaster in a public debate format; too freaking arrogant to prepare, too unused to being attacked, unlike Trump, and boring as hell on top of it.

    There's a great twitter hashtag "did Bloomberg", which is very funny. Of course, most of the comments probably come from Bernie and Warren supporters. We'll see if dumping another couple of hundred million in ads will overcome his performance in the minds of the general public. Then, who knows how many of them watched the debate or even have been watching the news programs which highlighted parts of it.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Did%...rc=trend_click

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I suppose if I like Sanders at all it's because he has been transparent, expressing unfiltered support for a lot of awful things I don't want to have happen to this country. But, none the less, he is honest, terrifying so. That's why he's been resonating with the left; finally, an honest politician. That's not something you can say about the rest of the Democratic field.

    BTW, I also think Sander is a blowhard, a bully and a know-it-all.

    I'm not sure Trump is honest. The views he's expressing now are very different to those he held in the past. However, I like where the country is now on the economy, foreign affairs, and defense (I'm a veteran and I'm tired of us fighting other peoples' battles). I can't see into the man's head or his heart so that's what I have to go on. He's got my vote at this point.
    Not that I want to really get involved with a political discussion. I am curious, as an outsider looking in on the US, can you describe what it is you think would happen if Sanders became president? I don't mean this in a rude way at all, just genuinely curious.

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    Nothing good has ever come out by answering Hypothetical political questions. (traps!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Nothing good has ever come out by answering Hypothetical political questions. (traps!)
    Yeah, that was my thought . . .

    And the last thing I want to do is get in a back and forth about what some candidate said (or really meant).

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    Who’s the top 1% (a millionaire) self-declared Socialist candidate for President?

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