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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^^
    Foreign Powers Buy Influence at Think Tanks

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/u..._r=1&referrer=
    Kathleen Hicks is one of them.

    https://www.newsweek.com/half-joe-bi...st-one-1546541

    So I guess China et al. will have their (agents) representation in the US gov't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    You know that they do studies for those governments? They are a consulting group just like the Heritage Foundation. Where does the Heritage Foundation gets its funding? The Koch Brothers? There have been plenty of government functionaries that came from the Heritage Foundation and other such right wing groups during the last administration and previous Republican administrations. Should we investigate them also?
    I don't think they are getting them from China, our greatest rival for world hegemony.

    a snippit from the NYTimes. They're supposed to be credible, right?

    "Some scholars say the donations have led to implicit agreements that the research groups would refrain from criticizing the donor governments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post

    Words have consequences:
    Members of a Michigan militia group had more planned than just kidnapping the state's governor.

    Last month, the FBI discovered a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and try her for "treason," arresting 14 militia members allegedly involved in the effort. But beyond that task, court filings also reveal the men planned to publicly execute other public officials, or if all else failed, burn down the state house entirely, ABC7 Chicago reports.
    While just 14 men have been arrested in the plot so far, they had a "Plan B" that "involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials," ABC7 reports. Plan C involved burning down the statehouse with its legislators locked inside, "leaving no survivors," ABC7 continues. These plots all unfolded as Whitmer and Michigan's government implemented lockdowns to stop the spread of COVID-19.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-...180819334.html

    Do NOT WORRY, BE HAPPY.

    do not know what they discovered there, but such organisations existed many the last Century, and many were silently political protected. and some manage to assasinate great politicians.
    the problem is that until state eliminates them, they do enough damage, like the assasinationd done in Greece,
    STATE MUST inform and educate people what is Democracy, via Media, Advertising etc, so people recogn and know and avoid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    You know that they do studies for those governments? They are a consulting group just like the Heritage Foundation. Where does the Heritage Foundation gets its funding? The Koch Brothers? There have been plenty of government functionaries that came from the Heritage Foundation and other such right wing groups during the last administration and previous Republican administrations. Should we investigate them also?

    I have no problem labeling all of these Washington think tanks as lobbyists. If they accept money from organization or countries then they should be labeled as such.
    Thanks to people like John McCain, money equals speech. Now foreign-governments have more speech in the United States, than US citizens.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... it’s more of a counter coup ... to restore the will of the people
    Except didn’t more people clearly vote for Biden? It’s not a “counter coup”, it’s an attempt at a coup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^^
    Foreign Powers Buy Influence at Think Tanks

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/u..._r=1&referrer=
    Now you understant when I spoke about Defence affairs with names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Kathleen Hicks is one one them.

    https://www.newsweek.com/half-joe-bi...st-one-1546541

    So I guess China et al. will have their (agents) representation in the US gov't...
    China has owned Biden for years, way before his bag man, his son, went to get the latest collections.

    A couple of decades ago a senior editor at the Times, I think, was overheard answering the question "Who's the dumbest man in the Senate"? The answer was Biden. Another one that has become well known in Washington is that there isn't a foreign policy issue for the last thirty years about which he's been right. I'd add corrupt to stupid.

    He's typical of the old style politicians who didn't go to a good enough law school, didn't do well there (76th out of 87 in a mediocre school is pathetic, but then he never did well in school), weren't good enough to make a really prosperous living as lawyers, so they joined the local machine, did everything they were told, went to all the dinners, volunteered for everything, made all the right contacts, and if they were presentable, affable, good at the glad handing and back slapping and baby kissing, and could read a speech, they got a shot. Once in office, what with all the perks and freebies and sage investment advice and "gifts", they get prosperous. I saw people of my own era doing it, not just Biden's.

    If you look at his record as a whole, the push for increased globalization and the pro-China policies is clear. That's why when I hear the "Scranton" crap about the poor workers of the northeast start I have to turn off the tv. I couldn't listen to Trump either. So there you go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Except didn’t more people clearly vote for Biden? It’s not a “counter coup”, it’s an attempt at a coup.
    Yes but then it's probably the argument it's 'stolen' so the 'real will of the people' is served by this....or such like nonsense....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Except didn’t more people clearly vote for Biden? It’s not a “counter coup”, it’s an attempt at a coup.
    It's not clear at all, ... we will find out.

    it makes total sense to investigate alleged wrongdoing.

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    ... Democracy (Constitutional Republic) at work):


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    @Northerner,


    You made a mistake; lost your temper and stepped over the line. You're the only one who does, and this time it's really egregious. Why do you think the rules don't apply to you?

    You call me a liar again; you make one more Mafia reference when addressing me, and you're out of this thread. Am I clear?

    To all members: post any opinion you please, but if you can't keep it civil you don't belong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Northerner,


    You made a mistake; lost your temper and stepped over the line. You call me a liar again; you make one more Mafia reference when addressing me, and you're out of here. Am I clear?

    To all members: post any opinion you please, but if you can't keep it civil you don't belong here; in fact, you don't belong on any site discussing politics.
    Not true. I didn't call you a liar. I say you don't show evidence, do you?

    Here is the fact check.

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...na-politifact/

    Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest.
    You can throw me out of here, but that is based on?

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    No one else behaves the way that you do on this thread; not that we can understand, anyway.

    If you can't discuss politics without this sort of incivility and insults, stay off the thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Is the Nazi a right or left wing ......as they term themselves as socialists National Socialist German Workers' Party

    seems left wing to me ...................but extreme left and extreme right are neighbours in the circle of politics
    I guess your last conclusion is right the extremes come close to each other. Nevertheless the NSDAP is usually positioned on the extreme right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Not true. I didn't call you a liar. I say you don't show evidence, do you?

    Here is the fact check.

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...na-politifact/



    You can throw me out of here, but that is based on?
    You need to regain your cool. You seem obsessed with your hatred for Trump. Don't let that hatred spill over into interactions with people.
    If you search this forum for "blood type", "rhesus negative" or "rh negative", you will probably see my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post

    Words have consequences:
    Members of a Michigan militia group had more planned than just kidnapping the state's governor.

    Last month, the FBI discovered a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and try her for "treason," arresting 14 militia members allegedly involved in the effort. But beyond that task, court filings also reveal the men planned to publicly execute other public officials, or if all else failed, burn down the state house entirely, ABC7 Chicago reports.
    While just 14 men have been arrested in the plot so far, they had a "Plan B" that "involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials," ABC7 reports. Plan C involved burning down the statehouse with its legislators locked inside, "leaving no survivors," ABC7 continues. These plots all unfolded as Whitmer and Michigan's government implemented lockdowns to stop the spread of COVID-19.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-...180819334.html
    Agree with you big snake. And deep respect for the GOP people in Georgia who simply state: 'numbers don't lie' and rectify the outcome of the election, although the outcome is not favored. That's the deep democratic attitude IMO. A deep bow for the governor of Georgia!

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/20/p...ger/index.html

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    Non white population has grown as many teenagers turned 18 this month.
    And Trump did lose some of his voters considering he did not build the wall and not to mention the COVID. He did also lose the popular vote in 2016 too.
    It's probable dead people voted for Trump instead of Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It's not clear at all, ... we will find out.

    it makes total sense to investigate alleged wrongdoing.
    Well judging by how the recounts are going it seems it is quite clear that Biden is still favoured, no?


    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Non white population has grown as many teenagers turned 18 this month.
    And Trump did lose some of his voters considering he did not build the wall and not to mention the COVID. He did also lose the popular vote in 2016 too.
    It's probable dead people voted for Trump instead of Biden.
    I don't think he lost votes for not building the wall (if anything he kept a large number of his voters), it's definitely deeper than that and includes the current administrations handling of this pandemic and other events have certainly not helped this president's image. A significant number of people have died and the president said "it is what it is" that seems quite dismissive of the plight of the people, not to mention the fact that McConnell has yet again called a recess when people need relief funds. Or that time that Trump said that if you "removed" blue states from the COVID-19 count things were good. That's ridiculous.

    I read somewhere in passing that some of those voters who were allegedly dead were still very much alive and they were speaking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Well judging by how the recounts are going it seems it is quite clear that Biden is still favoured, no?
    I don't think he lost votes for not building the wall (if anything he kept a large number of his voters), it's definitely deeper than that and includes the current administrations handling of this pandemic and other events have certainly not helped this president's image. A significant number of people have died and the president said "it is what it is" that seems quite dismissive of the plight of the people, not to mention the fact that McConnell has yet again called a recess when people need relief funds. Or that time that Trump said that if you "removed" blue states from the COVID-19 count things were good. That's ridiculous.
    I read somewhere in passing that some of those voters who were allegedly dead were still very much alive and they were speaking out.
    When I said COVID I meant his handling of it.
    But it's likely only a negligible percentage did fall from it as most of his voters do not care about it. Many even refuse to wear masks. So that explains a lot.
    When you behave bad you are supposed to get blackflash from media which is what happened to him. Plain and simple. I don't know why so many think it's unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    When I said COVID I meant his handling of it.
    But it's likely only a negligible percentage did fall from it as most of his voters do not care about it. Many even refuse to wear masks. So that explains a lot.
    When you behave bad you are supposed to get blackflash from media which is what happened to him. Plain and simple. I don't know why so many think it's unfair.
    Sorry if it came across like I was disagreeing with you, I wasn't.

    Yeah, one should expect, especially in such a position as president to be under heavy scrutiny for their performance, both good and bad. I think many think it is unfair because the news about Trump over the past 4 years has been overwhelmingly negative and far outweighed any positive things he may have done. However, it would seem that his negatives far surpass his positives in both number and frequency.

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    The final vote count is going to be something like 80 million people voting for Biden versus 74 million for Trump.

    There are lessons to be learned from this election, but this was neither a blue, Democrat, Biden wave and a mandate to "change" America, nor a resounding defeat for Trump, much as some people might like to cast it that way.

    He's an obnoxious boor, and, imo, a man of bad character, and the media has pointed out each and every one of his flaws or mistakes for four years, even if they had to make them up, but facts are facts. This was not the "change" election the Democrats wanted; we've had more than a few, but this wasn't one of them.

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    a few months ago, my Town was proclaimed as one of the best places to live in the US (in the top 15),

    the America where I live is magnificent!

    under President Trump we did amazingly well, and we still do in spite of COVID-19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The final vote count is going to be something like 80 million people voting for Biden versus 74 million for Trump.

    There are lessons to be learned from this election, but this was neither a blue, Democrat, Biden wave and a mandate to "change" America, nor a resounding defeat for Trump, much as some people might like to cast it that way.

    He's an obnoxious boor, and, imo, a man of bad character, and the media has pointed out each and every one of his flaws or mistakes for four years, even if they had to make them up, but facts are facts. This was not the "change" election the Democrats wanted; we've had more than a few, but this wasn't one of them.
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    This is my biggest issue with this entire circus. Why the need to make things up? This creates the need to find "balance" not mentioning the biggest deal breaker when it comes to Biden. i know plenty of democrats who didn't vote for Biden after seeing footage of a him making children feel uncomfortable (to put this the mildest way possible). They didn't vote for Trump either, but decided this was not "their election". A sad reality to be in, but imo it beats voting against your intuition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    a few months ago, my Town was proclaimed as one of the best places to live in the US (in the top 15),

    the America where I live is magnificent!

    under President Trump we did amazingly well, and we still do in spite of COVID-19.
    We all need to focus on what we can be. Not what is bad. This is the Animal Farm syndrome or the movement that led to the Weimarer Republic. The masses are easily convinced that what they have is responsible for whatever is bad in their lives so after they are manipulated into support, they find themselves in much deeper misery having made decisions based on hatred and jealousy.

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