Vote for a president of USA. 2016 election.

[Northener]

... the vast majority of the about 75 million Trump-Pence ticket voters are totally against the storming of Congress.

... everyone knows that rhetorical political speeches are not meant to be taken literally, ... Politicians of all ideological colors do it.

... imo the main reason Congress was breached is the constant lack of security.

The security details between White House and Congress are not only visible, but also obvious

no photography sign :)
open door of the Speaker of the House, ... no people, no security (though, I’m people too, ... I think)

That's very downsizing.
Face it Salento, 'words do matter' as your almost new president has said.
During the inauguration there are 25.000 military people in DC more than there are in Iraq.
This has signs of a civil war...

[toteu]

(...) During the inauguration there are 25.000 military people in DC more than there are in Iraq. This has signs of a civil war...

It's really worrying. It may not be a joke soon. Europeans should gather their ranks.

[Salento]

That's very downsizing.
Face it Salento, 'words do matter' as your almost new president has said.
During the inauguration there are 25.000 military people in DC more than there are in Iraq.
This has signs of a civil war...

... those are Weekend Warriors (National Guard), ... not to be confused with the Armed Forces of the United States, ... though generally both Patriots.

... regardless, the massive show of force is due to over precaution, just to prevent the shameful repeat of recent events.

[Angela]

I just read there are threats against Trump's life as well, although I'm sure there were many over the last four years. Maybe Maxine Waters should be charged with incitement to violence.

[Salento]

I just read there are threats against Trump's life as well, although I'm sure there were many over the last four years. Maybe Maxine Waters should be charged with incitement to violence.

she’s a hypocrite + phony, and she lives in a multimillion-dollar mansion outside the District she represents (or which she claims to represents).

https://news.yahoo.com/navy-vet-joe-...142557705.html

[Salento]

... those are Weekend Warriors (National Guard), ... not to be confused with the Armed Forces of the United States, ... though generally both Patriots.

... regardless, the massive show of force is due to over precaution, just to prevent the shameful repeat of recent events.

Ironically the majority of them voted for Trump,
but they're there to defend the Constitution and to provide a peaceful transfer of power.

... and that's what I expect to happen even though I disagree with the new President's ideas,
but he'll be my new President and I respect the President's Office,

... political disagreement does not make us enemies,

I believe the new President Loves the Country, just as much the previous President.

[Northener]

Ironically the majority of them voted for Trump,
but they're there to defend the Constitution and to provide a peaceful transfer of power.

... and that's what I expect to happen even though I disagree with the new President's ideas,
but he'll be my new President and I respect the President's Office,

... political disagreement does not make us enemies,

I believe the new President Loves the Country, just as much the previous President.

That's more than irony because the FBI said to screen the members of the National Guard.

I wish I would have your 'light approach' about this things. I have a kind of (über) serious approach....

If I had voted for Trump right know I would shame myself very deeply, because his obvious authoritarian way of acting, the constant spin (fraud, fraud, fraud about 2/3 of the Republicans still think the election is stolen even if all cases in this matter are lost) and firing up the mob.

But obviously some say what the heck the weather is nice ;) ....so were's the problem. Ok that's an approach too....

[Salento]

That's more than irony because the FBI said to screen the members of the National Guard.

I wish I would have you 'light approach' about this things. I have a kind of (über) serious approach....

If I had voted for Trump right know I would shame myself very deeply, because his obvious authoritarian way of acting, the constant spin (fraud, fraud, fraud about 2/3 of the Republicans still think the election is stolen even if all cases in this matter are lost) and firing up the mob.

But obviously some say what the heck the weather is nice ;) ....so were's the problem. Ok that's an approach too....

... Theoretical-You that voted for Trump should walk with his head held high,
... Trump said to peacefully protest,
... Theoretical-You didn't storm the Capitol, and he wasn't there,
... and I don't think Trump wants to do a Coup at all!

[toteu]

Dr. John Gartner: “We Have a Duty to Warn the World About Donald Trump” Mar 22, 2017 Everywhere you go, regardless of who you talk to, President Donald Trump and his cabinet come up. Not only does news related to the Trump Administration — whether delivered personally from him or not — clutter news feeds and social media timelines, it also might be damaging to our health. I’ve been interested in this because my mother had significant mental health issues that were undiagnosed and, for much of her life, untreated. My young life was changed in ways big and small by her mental health issues. She could be pleasant, funny and entertaining on her best days. But on her worst days, she was a bully who could spew hateful, damaging words that were usually the precursor for the physical breaching of boundaries. So I was intrigued by the conversations around President Trump’s mental health that began circulating recently. I started reading about the ongoing conversation among psychiatrists who have been debating the ethical appropriateness of diagnosing the President without having personally conducted an interview to evaluate his mental health, citing the Goldwater Rule. Dr. John Gartner, who works both in D.C. and in New York, started a petition that now has more than 38,000 signatures. He has been practicing psychiatry for 30 years. I talked to him to get a sense of why he felt it was important to go against the conservative members of his organization and diagnose President Trump as a malignant narcissist, as well as what actions he wants to take next. Tell me about your petition and how it came to be. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is very clear about having a clear behavioral diagnostic material for every disorder. Things like frequently lying — the level and massive amount of lying from President Trump is unprecedented. And the DSM criteria is very objective and cadent. You don’t need to have an interview to know if someone has frequently lied or has violated the rights of others. The psychiatric interview is hardly the gold standard, by the way. If you have massive amounts of information about a person’s behavior, that can be more accurate. And we have that. If the question is whether we can form a diagnosis from that information, I think it’s clear that we can. In our field, we have a duty to warn. If a patient says they might harm someone, you’re mandated by law to violate constitutionality to warn that person. We’re talking about a need to warn all people that this person is a threat to world peace because of his psychiatric disorder because of our training and experience. For us to see the danger would be like being on a train and seeing someone with a bomb and not saying anything. But as professionals, we’re being told (by other psychiatrists) if we see something, say nothing. I don’t want to have to answer my grandchildren who ask me what I did to respond to the war with China. What responses have you gotten? We’re getting a combination of responses. Letters of gratitude. People saying, “Thank you for doing this.” Our Facebook Group, Duty to Warn has more than 650 people in it. The conservative element of the psychological community has hunkered down and pushed back, with letters going back and forth in the New York Times. I debated someone on NPR. There are the keepers of the orthodoxy and then there are the abusive, crazy, angry voicemails from ordinary Trump supporters. I get threatening messages and people putting negative reviews online about my practice. A kind of “We’ll get you” kind of thing, but that’s happening nationally, that kind of intimidation and virtual lynch mob against anyone who tries to go against Trump. Basically, I posted it on some mental health groups on Facebook. Half of them deleted it because they thought it wasn’t ethical. In a group of 50/60 people, I’ve only had one really disagree with me. The question of whether we’re allowed to say something about this doesn’t mean they don’t feel the same way. This is really the predominant impression of the people in our field, even the people who think you shouldn’t say anything. What do you think your chances of success are? I’m well aware that I’m devoting my life to a fairly hopeless cause. I think it just goes back to my Jewish roots. Never again. We must speak out. We must be a witness to the truth. Whether that will change policy, I’m not that optimistic. Is this Congress going to impeach him? I’m not optimistic about that either. We have been trying to actively make contact with the Congress — there is a third measure, including (House Oversight Committee Chairman) Jason Chaffetz, saying the President should be required to take a mental health test. I was gratified to see that a member of Congress was citing our petition in the need for a law requiring the President to have a mental health exam. Ted Lieu has essentially said, “I’m no psychiatrist, I can’t know for sure, but he seems to be acting crazy to me.” Al Franken has said that many of his Republican/Senatorial colleagues have privately expressed concerns about Trump’s mental health. We are all exposed to this behavior. Are there ways that we can protect ourselves emotionally/mentally so that we mitigate the impact? The most effective coping mechanism is meditation. I use mindfulness meditation in my practice, I’ve been practicing for 30 years. It has been the only thing keeping me sane. What is your next course of action, if the debate continues? We don’t really expect that he’ll be removed by his cabinet under the 25th amendment. We’ve formed an organization called Duty to Warn, a technical term from psychiatry. (The term means that professional therapists have a duty to warn the authorities or others if they have client who is a danger to herself or others.) We have a duty to warn the public about the danger that Donald Trump’s mental health poses to the world. We don’t have the answer. We do feel a professional obligation to be witnesses. The person who is in control is out of control. Our duty to warn is more important than the Goldwater Rule. Our job is to make people aware. Where they go with it, we don’t have control over.

[Salento]

If that's the case, ... these people must be so happy with Uncle Joe's sharp mental state

[toteu]

youtube.com/watch?v=NsQ2hX_noNw In my opinion, the biggest problem is those who support his delusional statements! This is how totalitarian dictatorial regimes were born all over the world.

[Northener]

... Theoretical-You that voted for Trump should walk with his head held high,
... Trump said to peacefully protest,
... Theoretical-You didn't storm the Capitol, and he wasn't there,
... and I don't think Trump wants to do a Coup at all!

Strange....
Mc Connell until last week one of the major and very influential Trump supporters....a quote from Fox News today:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., placed blame on President Trump for the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6 that left five people dead, including a Capitol police officer.
McConnell addressed the insurrection during a floor speech Tuesday afternoon and said Trump "provoked" the mob that tried to use "fear and violence" to stop the Joint Session of Congress from certifying President-elect Joe Biden's win.

"The mob was fed lies," McConnell said. "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people.""...But we pressed on. We stood together and said an angry mob would not get veto power over the rule of law in our nation, not even for one night.

https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/mitch-mcconnell

[toteu]

Americans have had to choose between a delirious man and an old man with memory leaks. Delirium is more dangerous I think. Very strange... youtube.com/watch?v=zMlvfow3YLc

[Salento]

You're “free” to believe you have moral superiority over me, and I’m free to reject this notion.

... imho some of you enjoy throwing jabs at the United States and resent its super power status,

... the US is a free and tolerant Nation, and America is still able to keep the Rising Powers at bay,
... if they get the chance, those Rising Powers will crush you like a bug,

... you’re free to thanks America if you choose to do so, ... or trash it.

... I doubt that other powers would give you a choice to dissent.


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[Angela]

You're “free” to believe you have moral superiority over me, and I’m free to reject this notion.

... imho some of you enjoy throwing jabs at the United States and resent its super power status,

... the US is a free and tolerant Nation, and America is still able to keep the Rising Powers at bay,
... if they get the chance, those Rising Powers will crush you like a bug,

... you’re free to thanks America if you choose to do so, ... or trash it.

... I doubt that other powers would give you a choice to dissent.


.

I only wish I could give you many upvotes. :)

As I said on another thread, it's all jealousy mixed with anger at their dependent, second rate status, instead of gratitude they're not all speaking German or Russian and living in a real totalitarian state. The next danger will be China, and in my opinion, let them fend for themselves for once. Christ, they couldn't even stop the war in the Balkans and all the atrocities that were going on.

It amazes me how foreigners think they know the nuances of American public opinion and political processes.

I'm done discussing it with them; there's nothing to learn, no opportunity to grow closer in understanding. You might as well try to debate with AOC (whom they're keeping muzzled for awhile) or BLM people or Antifa in Seattle. It's a waste of time.

Over and out fellow patriot. Let's hope and pray our new president will listen to good counsel, not to people like that, or to his opportunistic vice president for that matter.

[Salento]

I only wish I could give you many upvotes. :)

As I said on another thread, it's all jealousy mixed with anger at their dependent, second rate status, instead of gratitude they're not all speaking German or Russian and living in a real totalitarian state. The next danger will be China, and in my opinion, let them fend for themselves for once. Christ, they couldn't even stop the war in the Balkans and all the atrocities that were going on.

It amazes me how foreigners think they know the nuances of American public opinion and political processes.

I'm done discussing it with them; there's nothing to learn, no opportunity to grow closer in understanding. You might as well try to debate with AOC (whom they're keeping muzzled for awhile) or BLM people or Antifa in Seattle. It's a waste of time.

Over and out fellow patriot. Let's hope and pray our new president will listen to good counsel, not to people like that, or to his opportunistic vice president for that matter.

thanks Angela,

Political debate is no longer political when they question the mental health and morality of half of the American population, and the transition into attacks to our character, shows something much darker hidden in the innuendos of their arguments.

[Northener]

You're “free” to believe you have moral superiority over me, and I’m free to reject this notion.

... imho some of you enjoy throwing jabs at the United States and resent its super power status,

... the US is a free and tolerant Nation, and America is still able to keep the Rising Powers at bay,
... if they get the chance, those Rising Powers will crush you like a bug,

... you’re free to thanks America if you choose to do so, ... or trash it.

... I doubt that other powers would give you a choice to dissent.


.

Yes I guess this was aimed at the Romanian guy. This is a EU kind of forum so you will meet a diversity of opinions and notions from all over the EU that's not weird IMO. You can expect that from a EU based and orientated forum.

As to free and tolerant nation. That's very much the notion American themselves do have. And I support this, of course. My country the Netherlands has one of the oldest ties with the US, the Dutch lent money to the embryonal US. And the founding fathers looked at the Dutch declaration of independence. Up to now the ties are close (Dutch companies are still big investors in the US).

But it were exact those democratic values that were at stake at 6. jan......this goes beyond left and right, democrat or republican.

McConnell goes on the distance towards Trump, he knows very well that the road Trump has taken will only lead to an extreme fringe....dead end street?

[Salento]

... whatever ...

[Jovialis]

I think it is time we close out the thread, and continue the conversation on a new one:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40845-Joe-Biden-s-Presidency?p=618189&viewfull=1#post618189