Vote for a president of USA. 2016 election.

[sparkey]

why would he?

Because he is ambitious and has no principles.

[LeBrok]

Because he is ambitious and has no principles.

I have no doubt that he will behave like a normal politician, or even in worse hypocritical form than average would, and say and do anything to win. I just asked the question to see what the poster had in mind exactly.

[Angela]

Well, he kept on saying that as soon as it looked like he had the nomination he would start acting so "presidential" that we wouldn't believe it. Well, I'm still waiting. :) Last thing I heard, he was citing the National Enquirer rag that poor Ted Cruz's father was in a picture standing next to Lee Harvey Oswald. Really, the man has no shame.

As to the outreach to Hispanics he needs, so far it's limited to tweets saying "I Love Hispanics"! Would he dare dump "The Wall" promise? I don't think so.

On the other hand, the economy numbers were bad, China is stumbling, and thanks to the environmental lobby, Clinton is against the pipeline and for more controls on coal production, while Trump keeps promising more jobs, and wants to dig, baby, dig, which is why the Coal Association is now backing him.

Of course, he's still a loose cannon in terms of foreign policy.

So, will people vote what they think is in their economic interest, or will they be more afraid of a lunatic like this having his finger on the nuclear button.

Bottom line, how can people vote for someone when it's clear we have no idea what he would really do as president?

It's too depressing. That's why I'm barely watching the news.

[LeBrok]

As to the outreach to Hispanics he needs, so far it's limited to tweets saying "I Love Hispanics"! Would he dare dump "The Wall" promise? I don't think so.

He was very quiet on this one when presenting his foreign policy, I mean his foreign dribble, recently. And quiet on many more of his loud and outlandish early promises.

On the other hand, the economy numbers were bad, China is stumbling, and thanks to the environmental lobby, Clinton is against the pipeline and for more controls on coal production, while Trump keeps promising more jobs, and wants to dig, baby, dig, which is why the Coal Association is now backing him. Of course, he's still a loose cannon in terms of foreign policy.

On one hand he might be good for my province Alberta rich in oil. However, he might mess up the world's economy so much, spinning it into another recession, that oil will not be worth much anyway.

So, will people vote what they think is in their economic interest, or will they be more afraid of a lunatic like this having his finger on the nuclear button.

Bottom line, how can people vote for someone when it's clear we have no idea what he would really do as president?

It's too depressing. That's why I'm barely watching the news.

Amen, sister.

[sparkey]

I'll be voting for one of these guys:

[bicicleur]

I have no doubt that he will behave like a normal politician, or even in worse hypocritical form than average would, and say and do anything to win. I just asked the question to see what the poster had in mind exactly.

exactly, they are all hypocrits

[Angela]

exactly, they are all hypocrits

Hillary Clinton is already making her pivot toward the center, and trying to remind people that Bill will be back in the White House too. (I wonder if she's still throwing lamps at his head. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us...arty.html?_r=0

[Maleth]

Oh! Jerry springer was blamed for the present verbal violence during the party nomination race.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDS1NUsqXNM

[LeBrok]

Oh! Jerry springer was blamed for the present verbal violence during the party nomination race.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDS1NUsqXNM

LoL, voice of reason from Jerry Springer. He is smarter that I gave him credit for.

[bancroft]

I think all of them are same that making promises and most of their promises will remain in their lips.

[Piro Ilir]

In my opinion Trump is not a real candidate. He is infiltrated by Clinton. . Clinton it's trying everything to win these elections. Trump is a puppet of Clinton. Trump declared that if he will be not the official candidate of republican party, he will be an independent candidate . This means that he is playing the game in Clinton's interests

Above my post of 23 March.

I still stand on this. Clinton is the new president. The republicans should reorganize or reforms their party. Really, really a strong woman.

After she get the presidency, for his job well done, Trump will be rewarded with millions of dollars by the signing of new contracts with the new administration.


This is my conspiracy imagination .

[Yetos]

Hillary Clinton is already making her pivot toward the center, and trying to remind people that Bill will be back in the White House too. (I wonder if she's still throwing lamps at his head. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us...arty.html?_r=0

Bill will be alone? or with Monica?

[bicicleur]

the Orlando shooting proves a point Trump made :

blind hatred against western values exists in Islam communities but Obama and Clinton always go into denial on that subject
Trump will not go into a rational discussion, he'll play on sentiments
but as long as Obama and Clinton have such taboos, Trump will gain from that

[Maleth]

the Orlando shooting proves a point Trump made :

blind hatred against western values exists in Islam communities but Obama and Clinton always go into denial on that subject
Trump will not go into a rational discussion, he'll play on sentiments
but as long as Obama and Clinton have such taboos, Trump will gain from that

That is exactly what makes Trump an extremely dangerous person. When you are president and a leader you need to be rational otherwise simply not fit for the job. There are two sides of the argument not a prompt reaction on sentiments.

[bicicleur]

That is exactly what makes Trump an extremely dangerous person. When you are president and a leader you need to be rational otherwise simply not fit for the job. There are two sides of the argument not a prompt reaction on sentiments.

the majority of the Muslims is not extremist, but the Muslims that sympathise with extremism are not a tiny minority either
it is time to face it, and these American Muslim leaders should acknowledge that too, now it looks more that they are doing dammage control with their excuses
the dangerous people are those political correct people that go into denial all the time
they came up with statistics that the majority of victims of violent attacks in the US are non-Islam related
if you watch closely all these statistics started in 2002, the year after 9/11, why?
now with San Bernardino and Orlando they will have to find another excuse
they try to twist the truth but in the long run they can't get away with it
that is when people like Trump show up

because these political correct people are as irrational in their arguing as Trump

[Maleth]

the majority of the Muslims is not extremist, but the Muslims that sympathise with extremism are not a tiny minority either
it is time to face it, and these American Muslim leaders should acknowledge that too, now it looks more that they are doing dammage control with their excuses
the dangerous people are those political correct people that go into denial all the time
they came up with statistics that the majority of victims of violent attacks in the US are non-Islam related
if you watch closely all these statistics started in 2002, the year after 9/11, why?
now with San Bernardino and Orlando they will have to find another excuse
they try to twist the truth but in the long run they can't get away with it
that is when people like Trump show up

because these political correct people are as irrational in their arguing as Trump

I think the Islamic mentality on a number of affairs is quite well known with everyone and I dont get the feeling that someone is in denial. The challenge is how to solve it without collective punishment and without measures that will make things much worse then what they are. In regards to this particular case my mind does not register Islamist terrorist (although its so easy to say so).

Firstly I would say a psychopath, as only psychopaths are able to do such a thing and they can be from any creed or race like so many others we have around the world.

Secondly I would say his disorder is fueled (and all the others who commit crimes of this nature) by the background of the individual and the obsessions that such people will be affiliated with. In this case would be Islamic fundamentalism. I also doubt if we would ever be able to know the full story of what has driven this terrorist to become one and what demons he had to wrestle with. I would not exclude that he would have had homosexual tendencies himself and the circumstances would have made his life impossible full of guilt and resentment. But those are deeper things we will never find out. He had a very short marriage and beated up his wife for not doing the laundry example. In return suppression and depression would make you cling to something. Some commit suicide quitley to get away from an unbearable situation. Others want to bring down the world with them. In a shooting in the army quarters some years back was just a question of jelousy for not getting a promotion or something....I have to go back and look for the case.

Regarding western values just have a look at the tone of this post from someone who is not from Iran or Saudi Arabia but born in the USA

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...=Homosexuality

and dont forget that a poster on Eupidia (not from an Islamic country) who I have not seen for some time now had said I would shoot homosexuals. If I will find the post (unless it was removed) and post in here.

Yes I agree with you with Islamic teachings in general and their stubborn rhetoric will push psychopaths to carry out these despicable evil crimes and that what needs to be tackled.



and the probability is that this Imam is Gay, this is the physiological state these people get into through perverted 'religious' teachings. I have seen this behavior in different grades not only with Muslim people but even other conservative religious groups. Is this Imam still in the USA?. Is he arrested for inciting not only hate but death?

On the other hand collective punishment does not work and firebacks with more horrendous results. We also know that many muslims do not agree with this kind of perversion. We know that from not so distant history what generalization does.

[Yetos]

I have said it before

All MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS,
BUT
ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS

why? cause they do not isolate the extremist preachers.

[LeBrok]

On the other hand collective punishment does not work and firebacks with more horrendous results. We also know that many muslims do not agree with this kind of perversion. We know that from not so distant history what generalization does.

Exactly the point. Trump and other short sighted people to fall prey to these terrorists acts creating phobia against all Muslims. This is exactly what IS wants, what this terrorist act was for, to start global war of all Muslims against all unbelievers, Armageddon and global Califat.

[Angela]

I think this will help Trump, unfortunately. I also agree that this man was probably psychotic, or at least suffering from depression and bi-polar disorder.

On the other hand, in a broader sense, anyone who joins ISIS and does these kinds of horrendous acts is borderline psychotic in my opinion. Also, he made two trips to Saudi Arabia, and was questioned twice by the FBI, so this is not just some crazy who snapped and latched on to the ideology to commit suicide by cop.

So, definitely, the ideology itself has to be fought. We also have to stop with the political correctness. If the most current reports are correct, he was talking about killing people in the name of Islam to co-workers, who reported it, but the company allegedly refused to call the police or FBI for fear of profiling Muslims. This has got to stop.

How must the FBI agent who closed this case, or the company officers feel when they look at the footage of that poor mother outside the club screaming, "Where's my son? Nobody can tell me where my son is."

@Yetos,
No, all terrorists are not Muslims, or they didn't use to be. We've had IRA Irish terrorists for a long time, although they've recently been quiet.

In the U.S. we've had skin head white racist terrorists, extreme Christian terrorists, black terrorists and white Communist/Socialist terrorists in the sixties, American Indian extremists or terrorists.

In Europe there was the Red Brigades and the Baader-Meinhof group. Communism came to power through the admitted use of terror.

It goes on and on.

[bicicleur]

Exactly the point. Trump and other short sighted people to fall prey to these terrorists acts creating phobia against all Muslims. This is exactly what IS wants, what this terrorist act was for, to start global war of all Muslims against all unbelievers, Armageddon and global Califat.

For starters these American Muslim leaders could and should have acknowledged that Muslim fundamentalism is a worldwide problem and that even some American Muslims are also prone to the fundamentalist rhetoric. They should have warned for this allready before there was an attack. This is to little to late. They are washing their hands in innocence after harm has been done.
Even Obama never dared to criticise Islam.
It is this silence that makes Trump stronger.
Not all short sighted people are in the Trump camp.

[bicicleur]

@Yetos,
No, all terrorists are not Muslims, or they didn't use to be. We've had IRA Irish terrorists for a long time, although they've recently been quiet.

In the U.S. we've had skin head white racist terrorists, extreme Christian terrorists, black terrorists and white Communist/Socialist terrorists in the sixties, American Indian extremists or terrorists.

In Europe there was the Red Brigades and the Baader-Meinhof group. Communism came to power through the admitted use of terror.

It goes on and on.

Yes, these were dispicable.
But none of them (I mean terrorist groups) have ever had so much support worldwide.
None of them have had the opportunity to commit the atrocities Muslim extremism has done so far.
None of them wanted to conquer the world and persecute everyone that don't want to subject to their ideologie.
Boko Haram is killer n° 1 worldwide, ISIS is killer n°2.
If they'd find even more support and means, they'd start WW III.

It is not an American problem, it is a worldwide problem which will ultimately also affect America.

[bicicleur]

On the other hand, in a broader sense, anyone who joins ISIS and does these kinds of horrendous acts is borderline psychotic in my opinion. Also, he made two trips to Saudi Arabia, and was questioned twice by the FBI, so this is not just some crazy who snapped and latched on to the ideology to commit suicide by cop.

So, definitely, the ideology itself has to be fought. We also have to stop with the political correctness. If the most current reports are correct, he was talking about killing people in the name of Islam to co-workers, who reported it, but the company allegedly refused to call the police or FBI for fear of profiling Muslims. This has got to stop.

How must the FBI agent who closed this case, or the company officers feel when they look at the footage of that poor mother outside the club screaming, "Where's my son? Nobody can tell me where my son is."

In Europe the problem is even worse. There are thousands or ISIS fighters coming back to Europe.
Politicians claim they are all followed and monitored. That is bullshit, that would require a manpower nobody can afford.
Putting all of them in jail, that is 'against there rights', there is to little proof, lawyers are ready and happy to defend these guys.
Furthermore the jails would be overcrowded.
Someone in jail costs the Belgian taxpayer 50.000 € every year.
Monitoring and following some one 24/24 costs some 450.000 €/year in Belgium.
So, why not admit that the system as it is organised today is unable to controll the situation?
These guys who go to another country to murder and torture other people, or these guys that preach that hatred ideology simply have to many rights.

[Angela]

I've been a long time supporter of James Comey, the FBI director, but I was very disappointed with his public statement. He doesn't see any cognitive dissonance between on the one hand telling tell people to report anything suspicious, and on the other hand revealing that the FBI interviewed him as the result of a complaint about his behavior from an employer, but closed that investigation.

I don't see how anyone could think, albeit in hindsight, that this was the correct decision.

There's also the access to guns question. When someone has this many red flags, he should not have been able to buy firearms. His name should have been flagged.

[bicicleur]

I've been a long time supporter of James Comey, the FBI director, but I was very disappointed with his public statement. He doesn't see any cognitive dissonance between on the one hand telling tell people to report anything suspicious, and on the other hand revealing that the FBI interviewed him as the result of a complaint about his behavior from an employer, but closed that investigation.

I don't see how anyone could think, albeit in hindsight, that this was the correct decision.

maybe there are far more such lunatics walking around in America than you can imagine ..

[bicicleur]

There's also the access to guns question. When someone has this many red flags, he should not have been able to buy firearms. His name should have been flagged.

the free arms law in America is uncomprehensible for Europeans

on the other hand possesion of arms is forbidden or very strict regulated in Europe, yet all big criminal organisations and terrorist groups posses arms