Politics Vote for a president of USA - 2016 election

Pick a president.

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 11 20.8%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 11 20.8%
  • Ted Cruz

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Marco Rubio

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 24 45.3%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
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The USA Government says it wants to take care of me :petrified:

since the spread of Covid-19, I've been living in a “temporary” form of Socialism,

... the Right and the Left redistributed my money left and right, the Executive (Trump) invoked War-Time powers and he’s forcing businesses and factories to Do as he says, and Governors tell us what to do and what not to do.

... all it took was a Chinese Virus to test the strength of US Democracy and to suspend Capitalism!

I say come to Sweden they have, in your way of thinking, lifted socialism during Corona! :grin:
 
I say come to Sweden they have, in your way of thinking, lifted socialism during Corona! :grin:

We will restore the pre-Covid America, and we're gonna make and keep America great, ... again :)
 
We will restore the pre-Covid America, and we're gonna make and keep America great, ... again :)

When your POTUS had acted more adequate and alert it would have saved thousands and thousands of lives as many people would have kept their jobs, that's the bitter reality no that of cheap slogans.
 
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When your POTUS had acted more adequate and alert it would have saved thousands and thousand of lives as many people would have kept their jobs, that's the bitter reality no that of cheap slogans.

... not just a slogan, we already made America Great, and then China unleashed its Virus to the World!
 
... not just a slogan, we already made America Great, and then China unleashed its Virus to the World!

Salento do you only speak in slogans? Because I can't detect the substance beneath it, I know that POTUS likes to make frames but this is harsh reality:
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Salento do you only speak in slogans? Because I cant't detect the substance beneath it, I know that POTUS likes to make frames but this is harsh reality:
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Your chart confirms my “slogan” and what I said, ... POTUS made America Great until the China Virus!

and about the Pandemic:

POTUS has no absolute power, he does what he can on a Federal Level,

The governors of the states are in charge!
 
Your chart confirms my “slogan”, ... POTUS made America Great until the China Virus!

and about the Pandemic:

POTUS has no absolute power, he does what he can on a Federal Level,

The governors of the states are in charge!

Thanks for the illustration...in one thing you resemble the Chinese already, they also had some yells about the great progress during Mao's cultural revolution.....

Even when the figures were bad the grand leap forward was on it's way. And the big leader was never in question:grin: the local governors were.....:grin:
 
After all the riots in Wisconsin, Biden's polling advantage in Wisconsin has shrunk from 8 to 3. Let's see what happens after the ads.

I haven't been watching either convention. Politicians of all stripes make me sick, but I see there's a clip on youtube of Rudi and the heading is "Don't let the Democrats do to the whole country what they did to New York". That's absolutely damn brilliant imo. If Trump's campaign has any brains they'll run that over pictures of Macy's being looted, people being attacked in the streets, and a montage of moving vans rolling out of the city.

New York will collapse from loss of tax revenue, and it's going to happen in every major urban center because they're all run by "progressive" Democrats like DiBlasio. New York will become Detroit. It was already happening, but turning a blind eye to rioting, refusing to call in the National Guard etc. was the last straw. People have had enough, and that includes some people who voted for Hillary last time around.
 
After all the riots in Wisconsin, Biden's polling advantage in Wisconsin has shrunk from 8 to 3. Let's see what happens after the ads.

I haven't been watching either convention. Politicians of all stripes make me sick, but I see there's a clip on youtube of Rudi and the heading is "Don't let the Democrats do to the whole country what they did to New York". That's absolutely damn brilliant imo. If Trump's campaign has any brains they'll run that over pictures of Macy's being looted, people being attacked in the streets, and a montage of moving vans rolling out of the city.

New York will collapse from loss of tax revenue, and it's going to happen in every major urban center because they're all run by "progressive" Democrats like DiBlasio. New York will become Detroit. It was already happening, but turning a blind eye to rioting, refusing to call in the National Guard etc. was the last straw. People have had enough, and that includes some people who voted for Hillary last time around.

Ohw yes my intuition says Trump is going to win. Biden is not a wisecrack. Not witty enough. Too old to give a good vibrant reply.
And the massive mud campaign will roll on. Facts don't matter, images, frames, labeling to the max.

But the reelection will sharpen the crisis in the US. Like I said previous here Trump lacks empathy to unite the US in stead he is heading towards deprivation, internal clashes, dark clouds above the US.
 
Thanks for the illustration...in one thing you resemble the Chinese already, they also had some yells about the great progress during the Mao's cultural revolution.....

Even when the figures were bad the grand leap forward was on it's way. And the big leader was never in question:grin: the local governors were.....:grin:

I told the truth, and your chart confirms it,
before Covid America was roaring loud,

and I don't apologize for American Exceptionalism :)

The irony is that you refuse to believe your own chart,

... and there's only truth!
 
Salento, just ignore him. He's just an anti-American t-roll. We know what WOKEDOM is about and what these Marxist Socialist radicals in the Democrat party stand for and propose in terms of policies. They're not shy about giving us the precise blueprints.

I don't care what people in Sweden or anywhere else who carry that political label propose, whether it's the same or different. I know what's being proposed here and I don't want it, and I take it you don't either.

It's great he likes his country and its system so much. Too bad he has to be so rude about other people's. Since he is, I'll return the compliment: from everything I've heard about it, and from the view of it I've gathered from watching way too many Swedish movies and tv series I wouldn't live there if you paid me to do it, although that has more to do with the culture than the politics.

Of course, I wouldn't necessarily want the U.S. judged by its films either, but their's seem to be much more low key and realistic seeming, and anyway I'm talking more about just human to human interaction, family relationships, etc.
 
No I am not an anti-American, I always saw the US as a keystone in the Western world. May be that declares my 'sorrows' more than an anti-American attitude tout court.

As you read it well you will see no critical remarks on Americans as such, I do criticize the view of some US people or the US policies (of POTUS) here. That's a major difference. I hope you can see that.

But I must admit it easier to label it as anti-American, then you are easy done with that.

It's great he likes his country and its system so much. Too bad he has to be so rude about other people's. Since he is, I'll return the compliment: from everything I've heard about it, and from the view of it I've gathered from watching way too many Swedish movies and tv series I wouldn't live there if you paid me to do it, although that has more to do with the culture than the politics.

Duh. First of all I'm no Swede (although in some calculators I come in auDNA close to them ;)
And I don't say Dutch first or something like that :puke
Nevertheless I experience that the quality of life is on average good here so in that sense it's nice to life here. That's true.

I wouldn't live there if you paid me to do it
Relax! I didn't see a crowd funding yet: help Angela to get to midwinter Sweden! ;)

Nice though!
 
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I told the truth, and your chart confirms it,
before Covid America was roaring loud,

and I don't apologize for American Exceptionalism :)

The irony is that you refuse to believe your own chart,

... and there's only truth!

I never denied that the US had some growth the last years, but partly due to tarifs etc kind of bubble like, not because the US has (invested in) a strong economy.

But that is gone now we have to deal with the corona crisis it's 2020 not 2019.....
 
Thanks for the advice Angela :)
 
Thanks for the advice Angela :)

Yeah just ignore..if the arguments stop then that is the ultimate weakness.....

Who dears to question or even to criticize, immediately: 'who is not for us, is against us'

And the pretorian garde is nodding.
 
Who said I'm a fervid Trump supporter, or Bannon supporter, for that matter? For the first time in my adult life I didn't vote on the Presidential line in 2016; I just couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them.

i didn't. or was there something i said that made you believe i was talking about you?



As for immigration, I'm an immigrant here, so I can speak from experience. We were on a list for years before my father was allowed to come, and he couldn't bring us for close to another year, and that's with both of his parents and brothers and sisters already here, and the siblings were born in the U.S. They checked him for disease (TB, venereal diseases, as they did us), connections to Communist organizations, whether he had a valuable trade and skills, whether he had enough money to support himself and us for a few months, and affidavits from family members that should he be unable to get a job they would support us so we didn't go on the welfare rolls.

We went through it, why shouldn't everyone else?
you said somewhere else your parents were working in switzerland to get the money for moving to america. what kind of work did they have to do in switzerland and what did they have to do to go there?
very often the hurdles for italians to work in switzerland but also for example in germany were really low. the migrants did not need to have an education, they did not need to have money or talk the native language. italy asked these countries to take up migrants for work and the companies there accepted them gladly because they didn't need to pay them much and the work force was needed.
now, what possibilites do modern mexican migrants have? can a mexican also just migrate to the US this way and make money that easy? many of them have no other option than staying in mexico or leave illegally.
i'm not saying the US should take them all up, but i think your comparision is a little bit unfair. it was easier for migrants back then than it is now.
"when mexico sends it's people" they are not just thugs and rapists. just like the italians in switzerland back then were not "stabbers".

In other words, no Sharia Law applies, no little girls have their clitoris removed, girls are educated, and there is no underage marriage.

does this have something to do with Trumps migrant politics? wasn't this the case before him too?
 
@Alichu

Many Italian-Americans don't like to play the victim card, over the past, like many other groups do. I find your victimization to be insulting, annoying, and completely oblivious. Moreover, the vast majority of Italian-Americans believed in paving their own way, and building their own communities. We didn't wait for the government to pat us on the head, and give us a free hand out. Furthermore, it was Italians like Rudy Giuliani that helped to bring down the mafia. Maybe other groups should acknowledge the criminal element in their communities, and do something about it. Most Italian-Americans think people like DeBlasio, Pelosi, and Cuomo to be morons. They don't like them just because they're Italian.
 
I have no idea if they had to get visas or work permits. That's not something that ever came up in conversation. I was a little girl at the time. However, I would imagine that was the case. You would know better than I.

It was certainly the case in the U.S. when it opened up the doors to immigration in the late 1800s and early 1900s, a time of mass expansion in the U.S, to get workers for the farms on empty land, and new mines and factories. All those people came to the U.S. legally, under the laws that pertained to immigration at the time. In many cases agents for the factories and mines went to southern Italy, for example, to recruit workers. Proper papers were provided and even money for the transportation in many cases. When immigrants arrived at places like Ellis Island, with all their proper documentation, they were put in quarantine and tested for TB, venereal disease and general health. If they turned up positive they were sent back on the next boat. A tour of the Ellis Island facility is a real eye opener.

Hordes of poor Southern Italians and Ashkenazi Jews and Poles didn't suddenly just appear on our shores and demand admittance.

Another difference with Switzerland and most European countries to my knowledge is that once all those people arrived in the U.S. they couldn't be deported. These weren't guest worker visas. Also, their children born in the U.S. were American citizens. That was the case with some of my father's brothers and sisters. Unfortunately the family then moved back to Italy, and the three youngest children were born in Italy. Only later was the law changed so that the children of naturalized U.S. citizens, like the children of native born U.S. citizens, got citizenship no matter where they were born.

That was definitely not the case when my parents went to Switzerland.

By the post war period America had no more need for all those unskilled workers and immigration laws changed. They became as I described. We followed the law and complied with all the regulations in effect at the time.

Today, with computerization and automated factories, and with a growing underclass of our own on welfare because they're unequipped for these more skilled jobs, there's even less need for unskilled workers, so all the more reason for strict guidelines to be in place.

I was told, but have to check for myself that Canada still imposes these kinds of restrictions about only people with needed skills or education being allowed to immigrate.

The problem with immigration in the U.S. now is that we have a wide open border with Mexico and therefore with all of Latin America. People cross the border illegally who are not checked for disease and who in almost all cases are completely unskilled except for physical labor. What does that mean? It means that working class people in America are competing for jobs with people who will take less pay. It's decimating our "native" working class and it's completely unacceptable.

It's not the responsibility of the U.S. or any other nation to take in so many poor, unskilled people that the cost of supporting them through welfare tanks our economy and does economic harm to our own people.

It's as simple as that.

Ed. In those sexist times only my father's work skills were considered pertinent. He had extensive management experience in construction, including estimating costs from blueprints, as well as on site supervision, and if necessary, munitions work, mostly in France and North Africa. In addition, if needs must, he was a master mason and also a worker in decorative marble carving. He had apprenticed in Carrara as a boy, and also picked up knowledge of munitions work there as they blast the mountains sometimes to get at the marble.
 
@Alichu

Many Italian-Americans don't like to play the victim card, over the past, like many other groups do. I find your victimization to be insulting, annoying, and completely oblivious. Moreover, the vast majority of Italian-Americans believed in paving their own way, and building their own communities. We didn't wait for the government to pat us on the head, and give us a free hand out. Furthermore, it was Italians like Rudy Giuliani that helped to bring down the mafia. Maybe other groups should acknowledge the criminal element in their communities, and do something about it. Most Italian-Americans think people like DeBlasio, Pelosi, and Cuomo to be morons. They don't like them just because they're Italian.

That last one is the worst thing you can do indeed, judging people because they are Italian, Latino, Negro or you name it.....

But IMO a call to ignore people on a forum.....and even with as false claim ' Too bad he has to be so rude about other people's' is IMO doubtful too....

I always try to make a split between the person and his or her views. Honest.

I think I reject most of your views or political idea's still I will even have respect for you as a person. I try to avoid ad hominem.

And when I make a mistake in that sense I'm approachable.

Just wanted to state that back to topic.
 
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I have no idea if they had to get visas or work permits. That's not something that ever came up in conversation. I was a little girl at the time. However, I would imagine that was the case. You would know better than I.

It was certainly the case in the U.S. when it opened up the doors to immigration in the late 1800s and early 1900s, a time of mass expansion in the U.S, to get workers for the farms on empty land, and new mines and factories. All those people came to the U.S. legally, under the laws that pertained to immigration at the time. In many cases agents for the factories and mines went to southern Italy, for example, to recruit workers. Proper papers were provided and even money for the transportation in many cases. When immigrants arrived at places like Ellis Island, with all their proper documentation, they were put in quarantine and tested for TB, venereal disease and general health. If they turned up positive they were sent back on the next boat. A tour of the Ellis Island facility is a real eye opener.

Hordes of poor Southern Italians and Ashkenazi Jews and Poles didn't suddenly just appear on our shores and demand admittance.

Another difference with Switzerland and most European countries to my knowledge is that once all those people arrived in the U.S. they couldn't be deported. These weren't guest worker visas. Also, their children born in the U.S. were American citizens. That was the case with some of my father's brothers and sisters. Unfortunately the family then moved back to Italy, and the three youngest children were born in Italy. Only later was the law changed so that the children of naturalized U.S. citizens, like the children of native born U.S. citizens, got citizenship no matter where they were born.

That was definitely not the case when my parents went to Switzerland.

By the post war period America had no more need for all those unskilled workers and immigration laws changed. They became as I described. We followed the law and complied with all the regulations in effect at the time.

Today, with computerization and automated factories, and with a growing underclass of our own on welfare because they're unequipped for these more skilled jobs, there's even less need for unskilled workers, so all the more reason for strict guidelines to be in place.

I was told, but have to check for myself that Canada still imposes these kinds of restrictions about only people with needed skills or education being allowed to immigrate.

The problem with immigration in the U.S. now is that we have a wide open border with Mexico and therefore with all of Latin America. People cross the border illegally who are not checked for disease and who in almost all cases are completely unskilled except for physical labor. What does that mean? It means that working class people in America are competing for jobs with people who will take less pay. It's decimating our "native" working class and it's completely unacceptable.

It's not the responsibility of the U.S. or any other nation to take in so many poor, unskilled people that the cost of supporting them through welfare tanks our economy and does economic harm to our own people.

It's as simple as that.

Ed. In those sexist times only my father's work skills were considered pertinent. He had extensive management experience in construction, including estimating costs from blueprints, as well as on site supervision, and if necessary, munitions work, mostly in France and North Africa. In addition, if needs must, he was a master mason and also a worker in decorative marble carving. He had apprenticed in Carrara as a boy, and also picked up knowledge of munitions work there as they blast the mountains sometimes to get at the marble.

as i said, i didn't want to say that the US should accept those migrants. i just think that your comparision of your own experience with the current situation for migrants is unfair. times have changed. the regulations and requirements became more and more over the last few decades.

of course they had to get work permits or visas for migrating to switzerland or germany but it was way easier to get them than it is now. and those migrants are also way more protected now so an employer has less reasons to hire them.
 
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