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Sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild has given a perfect background/context about this. I read it in a Dutch magazine, I can quote this but I don't think you (or most others) can read this
so some links:http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/28/what_drives_trump_supporters_sociologist_arlie
http://www.newyorker.com/news/benja...iew-of-small-town-decay-and-support-for-trump
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/6/12803636/arlie-hochschild-strangers-land-louisiana-trump
I think it contains some clues.
Trump's statements about Muslims and Mexicans isn't motivated by racism and here's why.
The accusation that Trump said he would ban Muslim immigration because of racism(he's afraid the American populous will become largely Muslim) is totally bogus. A very small minority of Americans are Asian Muslims and there's no evidence that's gonna change anytime soon. Therefore if he were some white racist he wouldn't have any fear of a large portion of Americans being Asian Muslims. His motivation is national security. Sorry but Asian Muslims don't NEED to immigrate to America. IF refusing immigration to the few who wish to immigrate to America helps prevent Islamic Terrorism I'm all for it. If they really NEED to leave their homelands they can go to Europe
How is following immigration laws extreme? Sure deporting maybe deporting all *illegal* immigrants is but the idea behind isn't extreme. We do need a wall. I find it insane that some Americans tipsy toe around opposing *illegal* immigration. Yes the percentage of Americans who are Hispanic is and has grown. So I guess you could argue he's a racist who wants to reduce that but it isn't a strong argument. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he made a big deal about illegal immigration to get the support of white racist. Nonetheless his opinon on it is pretty good and not racist.
I never sais it was motivated by racism. I hardly ever use the term 'racism' as it doesn't have much meaning for a population geneticist.
Even if Trump decided to ban all Muslims because they don't drink beer, the result would be the same.
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Some totally unbiased German press was just a little bit too fast... :
ROFLOL Heinrich Heine "Wenn die Welt untergeht, so ziehe ich nach Mecklenburg, denn dort geschieht alles 50 Jahre später." ("When the world turns down I move to Mecklenburg because everything happens 50 years later over there")
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That's exactly what Trump claimed to be (i.e. a new kind of leaders, away from traditional politics), and that got him elected. That's the magic words that people want to hear. Politicians will always go with the wind to get elected. Most of their campaign promises won't be upheld and are therefore irrelevant. We will see if Trump is really different from the political establishment and follow on any of his big promises. Who knows, he might turn into someone completely different and much more like other presidents before him. After all it will be his advisers ruling behind the scenes, like all other heads of state, as they can't possibly be specialists on every topic. Politicians are just the façade that voters see. They don't truly rule countries on their own.
Well, with a name like his, he had little choice but to choose the elephant...
(trompe, which sounds like trump, means elephant trunk in French. As a verb, tromper means deceive, mistake and cheat.)
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I wrote this two days ago...
"People can be as condescending as they like, but a lot of his message is resonating with people: jobs are gone that will never come back, a lot of these new jobs are low paying, part-time, service jobs, so people need three to replace one, if you're not on Medicaid you're paying a fortune for steadily worsening health service, the new immigrants are indeed taking some jobs from citizens, political correctness is running amok, the police are being assassinated in the streets, and everyone, both left and right knows that the media is in the tank for the Democrats, and that Hillary Clinton is thoroughly corrupt whether or not she left enough evidence behind to get a conviction. "
I would add that there were obviously a lot of people who resented being called a "basket of deplorables" and racists when the vast majority of them would never take away the civil rights of minority citizens. They also are probably sick and tired of entitled people who are doing fine in the new economy not giving a damn what has happened to their lives. Most especially, that applies to the media and celebrities.
I knew all of this, but I made the mistake of believing the pre-election polls and even the exit polls, and the constantly babbling national media with their talk of Hispanics on the march. Well, 30% of Hispanics voted for Trump. Even blacks voted for him at 8%, which is more than Romney got. I guess they didn't buy the constant media drum beat that he's a racist for being against illegal immigration.
Another fact which should be emphasized is that it was predicted that college educated people would for the first time in modern voting history go for the Democrat over the Republican. Well,if I'm reading the returns correctly, the margin was tighter, four points, but Trump held that group too. There were indeed a lot of "secret" voters out there, college educated ones among them.
Meanwhile, he didn't drag down the percentages for the Senate and the House. The Republicans retained control of both and the vast majority of state legislatures and governorships as well.
Does this analysis mean I'm happy about his win? No, it doesn't and I'm not. I'm afraid that clownish Trump will re-appear, and I still think he has the wrong temperament for the job. Plus, I have no idea what this guy will actually do. Everything will depend on the people he chooses to surround him.
Truth is truth, though.
"People can be as condescending as they like, but a lot of his message is resonating with people: jobs are gone that will never come back, a lot of these new jobs are low paying, part-time, service jobs, so people need three to replace one, if you're not on Medicaid you're paying a fortune for steadily worsening health service, the new immigrants are indeed taking some jobs from citizens, political correctness is running amok, the police are being assassinated in the streets, and everyone, both left and right knows that the media is in the tank for the Democrats, and that Hillary Clinton is thoroughly corrupt whether or not she left enough evidence behind to get a conviction. "
I would add that there were obviously a lot of people who resented being called a "basket of deplorables" and racists when the vast majority of them would never take away the civil rights of minority citizens. They also are probably sick and tired of entitled people who are doing fine in the new economy not giving a damn what has happened to their lives. Most especially, that applies to the media and celebrities.
I knew all of this, but I made the mistake of believing the pre-election polls and even the exit polls, and the constantly babbling national media with their talk of Hispanics on the march. Well, 30% of Hispanics voted for Trump. Even blacks voted for him at 8%, which is more than Romney got. I guess they didn't buy the constant media drum beat that he's a racist for being against illegal immigration.
Another fact which should be emphasized is that it was predicted that college educated people would for the first time in modern voting history go for the Democrat over the Republican. Well,if I'm reading the returns correctly, the margin was tighter, four points, but Trump held that group too. There were indeed a lot of "secret" voters out there, college educated ones among them.
Meanwhile, he didn't drag down the percentages for the Senate and the House. The Republicans retained control of both and the vast majority of state legislatures and governorships as well.
Does this analysis mean I'm happy about his win? No, it doesn't and I'm not. I'm afraid that clownish Trump will re-appear, and I still think he has the wrong temperament for the job. Plus, I have no idea what this guy will actually do. Everything will depend on the people he chooses to surround him.
Truth is truth, though.
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To the contrary, I hope that Trump is the necessary "cold shower" which brings those european "little Naopleons" back to reason. Clinton wanted to arm Kiev and by that finish the Minsk agreement.
But it remains to be seen whether Trump can hold-up his promises. Obama also promised a lot but didn't hold to his promises.
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I'm not happy that Trump won.
But I'm very glad traditional politics lost.
Something was about to happen some time.
Better today than tomorrow.
Europe needs to learn its lesson too.
The lesson is that the world as imagined by the established politics and the established press in unworkable.
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Hope so!
But Trump wants 'his money back'. And who is going to fill that gap, Germany? Which of course hesitates, partly because of WW2....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Poland-ship-missiles-region-say-experts.html
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And how did that work out?
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Some Russian politicians (Vladimir Zhirinovsky) suggested back in 2014 or 2015 that Poland should partition Ukraine together with Russia. This is how "hostile" they are. There is really nothing that Russia wants from Poland, they are only interested in Ukraine and Belarus.
Of course Poland is pro-Ukrainian in this conflict, but it doesn't mean that there is any direct threat to Poland from Russia.
Of course Poland is pro-Ukrainian in this conflict, but it doesn't mean that there is any direct threat to Poland from Russia.
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