Politics Vote for a president of USA - 2016 election

Pick a president.

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 11 20.8%

  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 11 20.8%

  • Ted Cruz

    Votes: 3 5.7%

  • Marco Rubio

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 24 45.3%
  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
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@Northerner,


You made a mistake; lost your temper and stepped over the line. You're the only one who does, and this time it's really egregious. Why do you think the rules don't apply to you?

You call me a liar again; you make one more Mafia reference when addressing me, and you're out of this thread. Am I clear?

To all members: post any opinion you please, but if you can't keep it civil you don't belong here.
 
Angela said:
@Northerner,


You made a mistake; lost your temper and stepped over the line. You call me a liar again; you make one more Mafia reference when addressing me, and you're out of here. Am I clear?

To all members: post any opinion you please, but if you can't keep it civil you don't belong here; in fact, you don't belong on any site discussing politics.
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Not true. I didn't call you a liar. I say you don't show evidence, do you?

Here is the fact check.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...-hunter-biden-joe-biden-and-china-politifact/

Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest.
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You can throw me out of here, but that is based on?
 
No one else behaves the way that you do on this thread; not that we can understand, anyway.

If you can't discuss politics without this sort of incivility and insults, stay off the thread.

 
torzio said:
Is the Nazi a right or left wing ......as they term themselves as socialists National Socialist German Workers' Party

seems left wing to me ...................but extreme left and extreme right are neighbours in the circle of politics
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I guess your last conclusion is right the extremes come close to each other. Nevertheless the NSDAP is usually positioned on the extreme right.
 
bigsnake49 said:

Words have consequences:
Members of a Michigan militia group had more planned than just kidnapping the state's governor.
Last month, the FBI discovered a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and try her for "treason," arresting 14 militia members allegedly involved in the effort. But beyond that task, court filings also reveal the men planned to publicly execute other public officials, or if all else failed, burn down the state house entirely, ABC7 Chicago reports.
While just 14 men have been arrested in the plot so far, they had a "Plan B" that "involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials," ABC7 reports. Plan C involved burning down the statehouse with its legislators locked inside, "leaving no survivors," ABC7 continues. These plots all unfolded as Whitmer and Michigan's government implemented lockdowns to stop the spread of COVID-19.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-militia-planned-weeklong-series-180819334.html
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Agree with you big snake. And deep respect for the GOP people in Georgia who simply state: 'numbers don't lie' and rectify the outcome of the election, although the outcome is not favored. That's the deep democratic attitude IMO. A deep bow for the governor of Georgia!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/20/...y-secretary-of-state-raffensperger/index.html
 
I think intense has fallen,

secret desires, secret fears, and the emotions have calm down,
 
Non white population has grown as many teenagers turned 18 this month.
And Trump did lose some of his voters considering he did not build the wall and not to mention the COVID. He did also lose the popular vote in 2016 too.
It's probable dead people voted for Trump instead of Biden.
 
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Salento said:
It's not clear at all, ... we will find out.

it makes total sense to investigate alleged wrongdoing.
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Well judging by how the recounts are going it seems it is quite clear that Biden is still favoured, no?


ihype02 said:
Non white population has grown as many teenagers turned 18 this month.
And Trump did lose some of his voters considering he did not build the wall and not to mention the COVID. He did also lose the popular vote in 2016 too.
It's probable dead people voted for Trump instead of Biden.
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I don't think he lost votes for not building the wall (if anything he kept a large number of his voters), it's definitely deeper than that and includes the current administrations handling of this pandemic and other events have certainly not helped this president's image. A significant number of people have died and the president said "it is what it is" that seems quite dismissive of the plight of the people, not to mention the fact that McConnell has yet again called a recess when people need relief funds. Or that time that Trump said that if you "removed" blue states from the COVID-19 count things were good. That's ridiculous.

I read somewhere in passing that some of those voters who were allegedly dead were still very much alive and they were speaking out.
 
spruithean said:
Well judging by how the recounts are going it seems it is quite clear that Biden is still favoured, no?
I don't think he lost votes for not building the wall (if anything he kept a large number of his voters), it's definitely deeper than that and includes the current administrations handling of this pandemic and other events have certainly not helped this president's image. A significant number of people have died and the president said "it is what it is" that seems quite dismissive of the plight of the people, not to mention the fact that McConnell has yet again called a recess when people need relief funds. Or that time that Trump said that if you "removed" blue states from the COVID-19 count things were good. That's ridiculous.
I read somewhere in passing that some of those voters who were allegedly dead were still very much alive and they were speaking out.
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When I said COVID I meant his handling of it.
But it's likely only a negligible percentage did fall from it as most of his voters do not care about it. Many even refuse to wear masks. So that explains a lot.
When you behave bad you are supposed to get blackflash from media which is what happened to him. Plain and simple. I don't know why so many think it's unfair.
 
ihype02 said:
When I said COVID I meant his handling of it.
But it's likely only a negligible percentage did fall from it as most of his voters do not care about it. Many even refuse to wear masks. So that explains a lot.
When you behave bad you are supposed to get blackflash from media which is what happened to him. Plain and simple. I don't know why so many think it's unfair.
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Sorry if it came across like I was disagreeing with you, I wasn't.

Yeah, one should expect, especially in such a position as president to be under heavy scrutiny for their performance, both good and bad. I think many think it is unfair because the news about Trump over the past 4 years has been overwhelmingly negative and far outweighed any positive things he may have done. However, it would seem that his negatives far surpass his positives in both number and frequency.
 
The final vote count is going to be something like 80 million people voting for Biden versus 74 million for Trump.

There are lessons to be learned from this election, but this was neither a blue, Democrat, Biden wave and a mandate to "change" America, nor a resounding defeat for Trump, much as some people might like to cast it that way.

He's an obnoxious boor, and, imo, a man of bad character, and the media has pointed out each and every one of his flaws or mistakes for four years, even if they had to make them up, but facts are facts. This was not the "change" election the Democrats wanted; we've had more than a few, but this wasn't one of them.
 
a few months ago, my Town was proclaimed as one of the best places to live in the US (in the top 15),

the America where I live is magnificent!

under President Trump we did amazingly well, and we still do in spite of COVID-19.
 
Angela said:
The final vote count is going to be something like 80 million people voting for Biden versus 74 million for Trump.

There are lessons to be learned from this election, but this was neither a blue, Democrat, Biden wave and a mandate to "change" America, nor a resounding defeat for Trump, much as some people might like to cast it that way.

He's an obnoxious boor, and, imo, a man of bad character, and the media has pointed out each and every one of his flaws or mistakes for four years, even if they had to make them up, but facts are facts. This was not the "change" election the Democrats wanted; we've had more than a few, but this wasn't one of them.
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This is my biggest issue with this entire circus. Why the need to make things up? This creates the need to find "balance" not mentioning the biggest deal breaker when it comes to Biden. i know plenty of democrats who didn't vote for Biden after seeing footage of a him making children feel uncomfortable (to put this the mildest way possible). They didn't vote for Trump either, but decided this was not "their election". A sad reality to be in, but imo it beats voting against your intuition
 
Salento said:
a few months ago, my Town was proclaimed as one of the best places to live in the US (in the top 15),

the America where I live is magnificent!

under President Trump we did amazingly well, and we still do in spite of COVID-19.
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We all need to focus on what we can be. Not what is bad. This is the Animal Farm syndrome or the movement that led to the Weimarer Republic. The masses are easily convinced that what they have is responsible for whatever is bad in their lives so after they are manipulated into support, they find themselves in much deeper misery having made decisions based on hatred and jealousy.
 
firetown said:
We all need to focus on what we can be. Not what is bad. This is the Animal Farm syndrome or the movement that led to the Weimarer Republic. The masses are easily convinced that what they have is responsible for whatever is bad in their lives so after they are manipulated into support, they find themselves in much deeper misery having made decisions based on hatred and jealousy.
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Imo there were a whole hell of a lot of people who supported most of Trump's policies but couldn't bring themselves to vote for him as a man and a president. That's what the media and the Democrats have to understand. This is at least a fifty fifty country, and actually, in terms of positions it's probably sixty forty or more center/right, and that's in American terms, not European ones. A less flawed man, with the same message and without the racist label with which he's been branded could have put together a working class/ middle class coalition of whites, Hispanics and probably 20% or more blacks, leaving the Democrat party to the elites and the underclass.

I think it will happen. They just need to find the right populist candidate.
 
Angela said:
Imo there were a whole hell of a lot of people who supported most of Trump's policies but couldn't bring themselves to vote for him as a man and a president. That's what the media and the Democrats have to understand. This is at least a fifty fifty country, and actually, in terms of positions it's probably sixty forty or more center/right, and that's in American terms, not European ones. A less flawed man, with the same message and without the racist label with which he's been branded could have put together a working class/ middle class coalition of whites, Hispanics and probably 20% or more blacks, leaving the Democrat party to the elites and the underclass.

I think it will happen. They just need to find the right populist candidate.
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I can't help but thinking back to 1992 when Ross Perot ran, who I believe had all the right policies planned. However, he wasn't appealing to the public. He didn't make the types of headlines Trump made. In the end, he just went away. Not because of the policies, but because he didn't have "an audience".
 
Salento said:
a few months ago, my Town was proclaimed as one of the best places to live in the US (in the top 15),

the America where I live is magnificent!

under President Trump we did amazingly well, and we still do in spite of COVID-19.
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firetown said:
I can't help but thinking back to 1992 when Ross Perot ran, who I believe had all the right policies planned. However, he wasn't appealing to the public. He didn't make the types of headlines Trump made. In the end, he just went away. Not because of the policies, but because he didn't have "an audience".
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You need a showman, a good campaigner, as well as the right message. Plus, third party candidates will never make it in my opinion.
 
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