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    In 2013, geomagnetic surveys revealed evidence of a 120-meter-long bridge or causeway stretching across the valley. Excavated over two dig seasons, the submerged structure turned out to be made of wooden posts and stone. Radiocarbon dating showed that although much of the structure predated the battle by more than 500 years, parts of it may have been built or restored around the time of the battle, suggesting the causeway might have been in continuous use for centuries—a well-known landmark.
    “The crossing played an important role in the conflict. Maybe one group tried to cross and the other pushed them back,” Terberger says. “The conflict started there and turned into fighting along the river.”


    it looks like a conflict over trade routes
    and it was an ideal location for an ambush


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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    note that it is accidently that these bones have been preserved by the right soil conditions
    there may have been many more battle fields that didn't leave any traces

    it is very interesting indeed, hope to hear more about it in the future
    I bet there was a big flood from this river close by, right after the battle, covering bodies and weapons with thick layer of mud. That's why it all was preserved so well. Otherwise bodies would be buried after the battle and precious weapons collected by winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    In 2013, geomagnetic surveys revealed evidence of a 120-meter-long bridge or causeway stretching across the valley. Excavated over two dig seasons, the submerged structure turned out to be made of wooden posts and stone. Radiocarbon dating showed that although much of the structure predated the battle by more than 500 years, parts of it may have been built or restored around the time of the battle, suggesting the causeway might have been in continuous use for centuries—a well-known landmark.
    “The crossing played an important role in the conflict. Maybe one group tried to cross and the other pushed them back,” Terberger says. “The conflict started there and turned into fighting along the river.”


    it looks like a conflict over trade routes
    and it was an ideal location for an ambush

    One aspect of that is in later times such a critical crossing point nearly always had a castle nearby to control/protect/tax trade so I wonder if this one did also?

    Is there an ancient Troyberg on some nearby high ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying Wanderer View Post
    One aspect of that is in later times such a critical crossing point nearly always had a castle nearby to control/protect/tax trade so I wonder if this one did also?

    Is there an ancient Troyberg on some nearby high ground?
    no, no cities, no settlements nothing nearby

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    no, no cities, no settlements nothing nearby
    yes, looking at google maps it is very flat round there

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...e2a0795e46ab68

    clicking on the various towns and looking at the photos you get a lot like

    Neubrandenburg http://213.23.74.38/hotel/fileadmin/...ee_17-crop.jpg

    Demmin http://www.mv-travel.de/images/stori...dtpanorama.jpg

    Gnevkow https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...8489b0!6m1!1e1

    which makes me think if there was a Troyberg nearby it would probably have to have been a lake town now underwater

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    looking on a physical map the only bit of high ground that sticks out nearby is the small patch at 116 (i assume metres) to the west of Tollense in between neubrandenburg, demmin and machlin

    http://www.zonu.com/fullsize2-en/201...mern-2008.html

    which (guessing) looks it might be Kreisow on the google map

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...bab9658a4e6d4b

    maybe this (almost) hill is the 116?

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...4e6d4b!6m1!1e1

    looks a bit small to be a Troyberg but if there was a trade route passing through over a giant swamp/lake terrain then maybe a rest stop along the way?

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    just messing about really but if there's an important trade route crossing between a town A and a town B then it makes you wonder where A and B were and if not local (which seems plausible given the terrain) then A and B would be somewhere that makes sense for the route i.e. Tollense would likely be a path of least resistance between A and B at the time.

    Another thing that popped up on my googling may give a hint

    https://photos.tripsite.com/assets/f...rlin_final.jpg

    If it's amber trade (plausible) then that lagoon is maybe where the Troyberg was and the Tollense crossing was one of the routes to it.

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    wild speculatin for fun

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    one last map centerd on the battle site

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...e2a0795e46ab68

    i'd think the easiest route from the SW (around the Machlin area) to the lagoon would be via the Peene river through Demmin to Anklam (which has had some kind of fortress to guard/extort access to the lagoon since at least viking times)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altes_Lager_(Menzlin)

    however interestingly looking at the map Tollense is pretty much equidistant as the crow flies between Machlin and Anklam.

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    what would be cool with all this would be a place name translator

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    also hard to tell distance accurately on the map but notice Kriesow is c. 15-20 km from Machlin - days journey for traders?

    if there was an overland route Machlin -> Anklam then you might also expect a rest-stop on the other side of the Tollense river crossing - maybe somewhere around Breest

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