Ancient Albanian customs and traditions.

[LABERIA]

Ok
Lets not push far,
Αρβηλα of Persia
today Iraq/Kurdistan !!!!

What exactly is this Αρβηλα and what does this have to do with our discussion here?

 

[Johane Derite]

Ornamental survival of early scale armour

 

[LABERIA]

What is this arbila?

 

[Yetos]

hmm

ok forget it,

I ask not to push it far,

I was speaking about this

Arba-Illu
Greek Αρβηλα , today name is Erbil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbil

 

[LABERIA]

hmm

ok forget it,

I ask not to push it far,

I was speaking about this

Arba-Illu
Greek Αρβηλα , today name is Erbil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbil

And what have this to do with the discussion here? Or just your pathological obsession with Albanians?

 

[Yetos]

I said forget it.

 

[LABERIA]

I said forget it.

Yetos, Eupedia and other important international forums are message boards, not chat rooms. You are welcome to share your knowledge with us, to express your opinions, to discuss with the others, etc, but you can not spit in every single thread about Albanians.

 

[Yetos]

Yetos, Eupedia and other important international forums are message boards, not chat rooms. You are welcome to share your knowledge with us, to express your opinions, to discuss with the others, etc, but you can not spit in every single thread about Albanians.

Laberia
I said forget it,
because you consider something serious,
I also pointed something serious,
If you can see, It is not my fault,
so continue,
but not push it to far,
cause if you can see the moon and not the finger,
easily you could understand who is serious.
ok?

 

[Dreptul Valah]

Where can I find this tale,"The Bird with the Black Crest"?

 

[Johane Derite]

If Maciamo is right about EV13 being connected to Celts and Hallstatt culture, then the Albanian bagpipes (Gajde) and possibily kilt take on a new meaning and are more likely to be shared Illyro-Celtic culture.

Here is an example:

 

[Johane Derite]

Skip to 2:10

I don't know the meaning of this dance from the Kukës region, why he's grabbing his leg like that, but its interesting and maybe there is a story behind it.

 

[Sile]

If Maciamo is right about EV13 being connected to Celts and Hallstatt culture, then the Albanian bagpipes (Gajde) and possibily kilt take on a new meaning and are more likely to be shared Illyro-Celtic culture.

Here is an example:

maybe you also have celtic markers ..........they did try to take greece but failed and so settled in Moesia .
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The Scordisci was a Celtic tribe formed after the Gallic invasion of the Balkans,[1] or rather a "Celtic political creation"
They controlled the various Pannonian tribes in the region, extracting tribute and enjoying the status of the most powerful tribe in the central Balkans (see the tribes of Triballi, Autariatae, Dardanians and Moesians), and they erected fortresses in Singidunum[20] (today's city of Belgrade) and Taurunum (modern Zemun). They subjugated a number of tribes[when?] in Moesia, including the Dardani, several west Thracian tribes and the Paeonians.[citation needed]

 

[Johane Derite]

The Qelesh/Plis is at least a 3000 year old article of clothing that is very underestimated as a European cultural artifact.

full image link: https://i.imgur.com/zxLYeVX.jpg

 

[Johane Derite]

 

[Johane Derite]

The Albanian Kanun is maybe the primary ancient custom/tradition that differentiates us from our neighbours. It is an ancient non-abrahamic code of ethics that penetrates deeply into Albanian tradition from the utmost
North to the utmost South. A common misconception on the Kanun is that it was created by medieval prince Lekë Dukagjini. Lekë Dukagjini is indeed a central figure in the heritage of the Kanun in the North, but the correct
way of considering him should be as a codifier of existing laws during a time of crisis and political transformation. The Kanun was everywhere in Albanian territories, like for example the lesser known Kanun of Laberia (deep south of Albania).

The Kanun was orally transmitted and its different iterations were only written down in text in the 20th century. This is a testament to how deeply penetrating in Albanian society the Kanun functioned as law.
It is important to note for example that the Kanun of Laberia was referred to as the Kanun of Papa Zhuli by orthodox Albanians and the Kanun of Idriz Suli by muslim Albanians in the village of Zhulat in the south.
This is a testament to the Albanian tradition and relation to religion, in which the code of ethics was primarily inherited from the old traditions, with religion being secondary in input.

There has been masterful scholarly work on the Kanun by the Japanese anthropologist, philosopher, and scientist Kazuhiko Yamamoto.

Here is a quote from one of his papers:


"Though the ethics of Homeric society has been analyzed before, there has been no theory on the ethical structure of Homeric society analyzed from the viewpoint of a society without state power. This study attempts to address this issue.
Six concepts, Oath, Honor, Guest, Blood, Food and Revenge have been extracted from Homeric epics in comparison with the ethical structure of the Albanian Kanun.


LINK: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10950804_The_ethical_structure_of_Homeric_society [accessed Jul 16 2018].

He has many other works on the Kanun like below:


"The Ethical Structure of the Kanun and its Relationship with Homeric Epics and Greek Philosophy"
"An Alternative Analysis of the Discourse by Descartes, Kant and Hegel in terms of the Ethical Structure of the Kanun"
"Kanun and Heidegger"
"An Alternative Analysis of the Discourse by Descartes, Kant and Hegel in terms of the Ethical Structure of the Kanun"
"An Alternative Analysis of Japanese Wabicha in terms of the Ethical Structure of the Kanun"
"Gotama and Jesus Proffered the Concept which seems Antithetical to the Ethical Structure of the Kanun"

And many more.


At the heart of the Kanun in Albanian culture is the concept of Besa (Oath) which is seen to be sacred and binding to the utmost for the individual that takes the special oath.

This is a folk song about giving Besa:

There are other scholars that have done work on the Kanun like Margaret Hasluck, Scottish geographer, linguist, epigrapher, archaeologist and scholar.


From "The unwritten law in Albania", 1954, pg. 11:


"This close relationship between individual and community was also a curb on dictatorship. The ruling rank had always to respect the individual's property in the community's laws. They could not make any change in an existing law unless they obtained the consent of a General Assembly of their village or tribe. They could impose, but (except in the tribes which maintained fine collectors) they could not collect fines; social pressure was necessary for that. In a very common punishment, social ostracism, they might play no more than a subordinate part. They could not pass heavy sentences like banishment or death unless a General Assembly demanded them, and if it did, they could not resist its will. In short, the elders voiced, but did not dictate, popular sentiment.


They were no privileged oligarchy either. They might sit in the seat of honour or get the lamb's head and eye at a banquet, but they had no official residences, horses or guards of honour provided for them at public expense. They lived in houses that were often meaner than those of their subordinates; they ate the same food and toiled in the same way in their fields and among their flocks. In fact, the self government of the Albanian mountaineers went far towards being true democracy in the Anglo American sense of that much abused word. In its primitive way it was really government of the People, by the People, for the People. It had its defects, of course; sometimes a judge took a bribe or a man bore false witness in spite of the deterrents devised against such malpractices. Yet the legal system worked well on the whole, was often speedier and always cheaper than any European counterpart, and left few crimes unsolved."

 

[Johane Derite]

Illyrian Snake Cult Survival In Albanian Culture

 

[Johane Derite]

1932, Rome: Albanians from the Malesia region disembark.

Quite a good video in old folkloric costumes and overall attitude.

 

[Johane Derite]

A comparison of the Albanian Kanun and the Shield of Achilles in The Iliad.
By N.G.L Hammond, 7 pages.

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"Thus, since blood-feuds are absent elsewhere, it is very strange to find one so prominently depicted on the shield of Achilles. The explanation is surely that the poet was here, as in the sensitive and horrifying description of war versus heroic combat in Iliad 18.535-40, drawing on the experience of the eighth century during which he was composing his epic."




"The Scene in Iliad 18.497-508 and the Albanian Blood-feud"


by Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond


LINK: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/basp/0599796.0022.001?view=image&seq=89&size=100

 

[LABERIA]

“ Kanun was not merely a constitution, it was also a colossal myth that had taken on the form of a constitution. Universal riches compared to which the Code of Hammurabi and the other legal structures of those regions look like children’s toys.”
Ismail Kadare

 

[LABERIA]

Gjurmë Shqiptare - Melodia e lashtësisë