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    Maikopcrania revisited :
    Abstract :Measurements of crania ofpeople associated with the Early Bronze Age Maikop culture of theCaucasus are analyzed. Data on Maikop males, newand previously published,were compared to those concerning chronologically and geographicallyrelated people using the canonical variate analysis. The Maikopseries turned out to be isolated and noclose paralles to it were found among the Bronze Age groups, eitherfrom the steppe and forest-steppe zones of Eastern Europe orfrom the Caucasus and Southwestern Central Asia.Whilecertain parralels seem to point to the Near East, they are too few towarrant definite conclusions.
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    GOga, could you provide us the scientific data about Y-R1 birth in Iranian Plateau (or eternal Zagros?). You know I take with caution the dates for branchings of ligneages and clades, and the "variance" story. Thanks by advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Btw, it is because of countries like the Nederlands, my ancestral Kurdistan is NOT a safe country for me.

    They should stop protecting our enemies, like they should stop protecting the Turks & Arabs. And helping our enemies in killing the Kurds.


    Countries like the Nederlands are interested in making blood money with helping to kill innocent people, women, children.


    Let me give an exapmle, countries like the Netherlands started a war in Syria only to steal money/oil/wealth from that region. So, those coutnries shouldn't wine when people from where the western countries created chaos, migrate into the countries like Holland.


    It is because of Holland, Germany, France, US etc. there are wars in the Middle East. NEVER forget that.


    What are these OIL companies doing in Kurdistan???? To HELL with them!


    Austria
    OMV

    Canada
    Groundstar Resources
    Niko Resources
    Shamaran Petroleum
    Talisman Energy
    Vast Exploration
    WesternZagros

    Norway
    DNO International

    United Kingdom
    Afren
    Gulf Keystone Petroleum
    Perenco
    Sterling Energy

    United States
    Aspect Energy
    Chevron
    Hess
    Hunt Petroleum
    Murphy Oil Corporation


    http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/lis...aqi-kurdistan/



    That's why I hate capitalism, liberalism, imperialism. Different faces of the same coin. BECAUSE of capitalism, liberalism, imperialism I must to live in diaspora now!
    For the first time ever I agree with the majority of one of your posts

    But F*ck off about lumping all of those theoretical systems of governments into the cause of the Middle East. It was actually a Parliamentary monarchy that sent the region down the road it's been on and it wasn't until Nixon that the US began to love the invading Israelis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holderlin View Post
    For the first time ever I agree with the majority of one of your posts

    But F*ck off about lumping all of those theoretical systems of governments into the cause of the Middle East. It was actually a Parliamentary monarchy that sent the region down the road it's been on and it wasn't until Nixon that the US began to love the invading Israelis.
    Parliamentary monarchy? Parliamentary monarchy is not evil. Parliamentary monarchy is just where a monarch is a head of a government. It can be a highly ceremonial position where a monarch has no power. But the monarch has to be inviolable, right?


    But when 'parliamentary monarchy' is at the service of the 'money' (capitalism) and imperialism, it is EVIL!


    Be it monarchy, be it republic, be it dictatorship/aristocracy, if they serve money (not the people) and expansion means generating more money by stealing and robbing other places (= imperialism), then all of them are EVIL!


    Parliamentary monarchies can be good if they serve the people. To escape anarchy and state of nature, think of Hobbes and creation of Leviathan or even John Locke. Hobbes was pro-Monarchy.

    Even dictatorship can be a good system without corruption and and when only 'serving the people' should be the most important priority, think of maybe Plato or Nietzsche (most people are stupid and they need a shepherd who leads them).


    But capitalism / imperialism / liberalism (that of Adam Smith and Dutch/Germanic Protestant Ethic mentioned by Max Weber) are EVIL and they serve only the capital/money...

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    "Andronovo monkeys"

    ??????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    GOga, could you provide us the scientific data about Y-R1 birth in Iranian Plateau (or eternal Zagros?). You know I take with caution the dates for branchings of ligneages and clades, and the "variance" story. Thanks by advance.
    He just knows it bro

    I see him as Alan's poorly trained bulldog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Parliamentary monarchy? Parliamentary monarchy is not evil. Parliamentary monarchy is just where a monarch is a head of a government. It can be a highly ceremonial position where a monarch has no power. But the monarch has to be inviolable, right?
    Yes, but this is the system that used world wide colonialism to exploit resources and hold military advantages. That's all I was saying. You made a broad statement about what I assumed to be developed Western Democracies in general, so I specified the root of Western/"Anglo" influence in the Middle East. (French too)

    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    But when 'parliamentary monarchy' is at the service of the 'money' (capitalism) and imperialism, it is EVIL!


    Be it monarchy, be it republic, be it dictatorship/aristocracy, if they serve money (not the people) and expansion means generating more money by stealing and robbing other places (= imperialism), then all of them are EVIL!
    I don't believe in "EVIL", sorry. "Good" and "evil" are relatively new ideas. All governments must compete for resources and all governments are vulnerable to the influence of money. Regarding the world's resources, it's only very recently that we started requiring this competition to abide by international standards or laws. It's all relative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Parliamentary monarchies can be good if they serve the people. To escape anarchy and state of nature, think of Hobbes and creation of Leviathan or even John Locke. Hobbes was pro-Monarchy.

    Even dictatorship can be a good system without corruption and and when only 'serving the people' should be the most important priority, think of maybe Plato or Nietzsche (most people are stupid and they need a shepherd who leads them).


    But capitalism / imperialism / liberalism (that of Adam Smith and Dutch/Germanic Protestant Ethic mentioned by Max Weber) are EVIL and they serve only the capital/money...
    It's absurd to say that a dictatorship would ever be preferable to some form of democracy so you really disqualified yourself from this discussion, but I'll give you that authoritarian systems CAN be good for awhile with the right person in charge. The problem is that you can get another person in charge who decides to kill Kurds, or something like that. You're saying that democracies, "capitalism / imperialism / liberalism", are evil, but then you're saying that other forms of government can be good or bad. It's nonsensical and ridiculous. The United States' ability to exploit the region for oil is only because of the authoritarian governments that traditionally hold power in the region. This would not happen if the region was composed of stable democracies such as those embodied in e.g. Adam Smith and Max Weber's ideas. BTW "Imperialism" is a country that is acting like an empire, so when you say imperialism is evil you are also necessarily saying that empires are evil.

    Democracy isn't the best system, it's the only system. We know of no other system that will prevent tyranny. No sane, educated person with all of his faculties would argue against democracy in favor of authoritarianism. This is THE lesson of the modern period. You can't have a democracy without property rights and some level of a free market. Because of this it is always a balancing act between a plutocracy/oligarchy (plutocratic oligarchy?) and Democratic socialism, especially in the US where we've seen a pull towards plutocracy in the last 50 years. The wealth gap has risen while we've relied on imperialistic means to maintain economic control. Basically big business and the extremely wealthy have exerted more influence on the government, but it will swing the other way. Believe me, this is preferable to a world of competing empires.

    The best examples right now are in Scandinavia. You only need look at quality of life data. There is no debate.

    If we have to assign a root cause to the problems in the modern Middle East it would be the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the resulting power vacuum. The British and French filled this vacuum and the rest is history. The Ottomans had a long history of expanding into Europe so what do you expect? What else might have happened?

    The Ottomans could have survived until WWII, or perhaps even existed until now in some form. Would that have been preferable? I don't think so. Maybe the British and French should have allowed the region to decide nation borders based on ethnicity? Or facilitated/sanctioned such a thing? This is the best plan, but I'm pretty sure we're trying to do this now and still failing at it. Who's to say that they would have even been capable of such a thing back then or that it would have turned out well? The British and French could have left and let them fight among themselves to settle things, but who's to say how that would have turned out? They could still be fighting today (they kind of are actually), or the region could have come under the yoke of another foreign power resulting in god knows what.

    None of these alternative histories necessarily lead to a stable middle east with a sovereign Kurd Nation.

    Also, you should know that Nietzsche and Plato are, quite literally, opposing philosophies. This is most clearly explained in Twilight of the Idols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    GOga, could you provide us the scientific data about Y-R1 birth in Iranian Plateau (or eternal Zagros?). You know I take with caution the dates for branchings of ligneages and clades, and the "variance" story. Thanks by advance.
    It is very easy.

    Where we can find ancient R1a*, ancient R1b* AND R2. R2 is the 'brother clade' of R1*.

    R2 is very high in SouthCentral Asia and Northern India. But in that part of the area as far as I know we can't find really ancient R1b* and R1a*. While there is ancient R1b* and R1a* on the Iranian Plateau.

    R1a* and R1b* on the Iranian Plateau is OLDER and more diverse than in SouthCentral Asia and Northern India.

    And there is also R2 on the Iranian Plateau.


    That's why I'm sure that R1* has to be from somewhere between SouthCentral Asia and the Zagros Mountains. Why? because on the Iranian Plateau we can find ancient R1b*, R1a* AND R2 Y-DNA haplogroups...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I think he misunderstood you.

    What you told me, I've heard also many times from my family members. So, I'm 100% sure you meant it good.


    But there is one thing. The only opportunity for me to be in Kurdistan is to fight for PKK or to fight for Ezdi Kurds in Shengal. At this moment they need me there only as a 'soldier'.

    But the problem is, I'm not a soldier/warrior. I've family members who fight with PKK against the Turkic Muslims (DAESH) and Arab Muslims (DAESH) on the frontline. So my family is doing its duty. And there are 50 million Kurds, so I'm sure that among those 50 million Kurds there are many million natural born warriors much better than me who are willing to fight.

    At this moment, as a NON-Muslim, it's very dangerous for me to be in Kurdistan. I think I would be dead within 1 week. Less than 2 years ago, Sunni Muslims committed a GENOCIDE on my people! I'm contributing to Kurdistan my 'own' way and as long I do exist I will continue contribute to Kurdistan.

    After the war Kurdistan needs intellectuals (high educated people) and people who will rebuild Kurdistan from the ashes. But don't think that my family doesn't give blood for Kurdistan, we did and we still do!



    And soon we wil be victorious! Turanic Turks and Turkey are almost defeated. They will go back to the Altai, where they are from and do belong. It is just a matter of time..
    Hahahah! Goga, it writes you're R1a, tell us if you really got a Y-DNA test..
    You say Turkish are defeated by forgetting: 500-550 Turkish martyr and +5.200 pkk(Ultra Kurdish nationalist) death during 2015-2016 Turkia-pkk conflict. Be a real man, not a daydreamer. Come to us with your sources.
    Turkish army will soon annex the Mosul and Kirkuk, if Turkia wasn't then Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq) would be destroyed by the Iraq and Iran, you're economically dependent to Turkish. However, at first, I don't think hostility to Kurdish people because their majority are Muslim people, that's major cause why Turkia has good relations with Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq). Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq) and Turkia has common benefits in the region as two Muslim states, united against pkk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    It is very easy.

    Where we can find ancient R1a*, ancient R1b* AND R2. R2 is the 'brother clade' of R1*.

    R2 is very high in SouthCentral Asia and Northern India. But in that part of the area as far as I know we can't find really ancient R1b* and R1a*. While there is ancient R1b* and R1a* on the Iranian Plateau.

    R1a* and R1b* on the Iranian Plateau is OLDER and more diverse than in SouthCentral Asia and Northern India.

    And there is also R2 on the Iranian Plateau.


    That's why I'm sure that R1* has to be from somewhere between SouthCentral Asia and the Zagros Mountains. Why? because on the Iranian Plateau we can find ancient R1b*, R1a* AND R2 Y-DNA haplogroups...
    R1a & R1b & R2 were north of Hindu Kush 30-15 ka, check Kupruk cave
    R1a & R1b arrived south of Caspian Sea 15 ka, check Hoti & Belt caves
    From there R1a & R1b dispersed, check 14 ka Villabruna.
    6.5 ka when PIE was spoken R1-M269 and R1b-M73 were on the Pontic steppe, somewhere between Don and Ural rivers.
    5 ka R1a-M417 was a herder in the forest-steppe zone north of the Pontic steppe who adopted IE language and IE way of life
    that is the most parsimonious explanation

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    R1a & R1b & R2 were north of Hindu Kush 30-15 ka, check Kupruk cave
    R1a & R1b arrived south of Caspian Sea 15 ka, check Hoti & Belt caves
    From there R1a & R1b dispersed, check 14 ka Villabruna.
    6.5 ka when PIE was spoken R1-M269 and R1b-M73 were on the Pontic steppe, somewhere between Don and Ural rivers.
    5 ka R1a-M417 was a herder in the forest-steppe zone north of the Pontic steppe who adopted IE language and IE way of life
    that is the most parsimonious explanation
    I think you've nailed it on the head, Bicicleur, and the ancient dna will bear this out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by holderlin View Post
    Yes, but this is the system that used world wide colonialism to exploit resources and hold military advantages. That's all I was saying. You made a broad statement about what I assumed to be developed Western Democracies in general, so I specified the root of Western/"Anglo" influence in the Middle East. (French too)



    I don't believe in "EVIL", sorry. "Good" and "evil" are relatively new ideas. All governments must compete for resources and all governments are vulnerable to the influence of money. Regarding the world's resources, it's only very recently that we started requiring this competition to abide by international standards or laws. It's all relative.



    It's absurd to say that a dictatorship would ever be preferable to some form of democracy so you really disqualified yourself from this discussion, but I'll give you that authoritarian systems CAN be good for awhile with the right person in charge. The problem is that you can get another person in charge who decides to kill Kurds, or something like that. You're saying that democracies, "capitalism / imperialism / liberalism", are evil, but then you're saying that other forms of government can be good or bad. It's nonsensical and ridiculous. The United States' ability to exploit the region for oil is only because of the authoritarian governments that traditionally hold power in the region. This would not happen if the region was composed of stable democracies such as those embodied in e.g. Adam Smith and Max Weber's ideas. BTW "Imperialism" is a country that is acting like an empire, so when you say imperialism is evil you are also necessarily saying that empires are evil.

    Democracy isn't the best system, it's the only system. We know of no other system that will prevent tyranny. No sane, educated person with all of his faculties would argue against democracy in favor of authoritarianism. This is THE lesson of the modern period. You can't have a democracy without property rights and some level of a free market. Because of this it is always a balancing act between a plutocracy/oligarchy (plutocratic oligarchy?) and Democratic socialism, especially in the US where we've seen a pull towards plutocracy in the last 50 years. The wealth gap has risen while we've relied on imperialistic means to maintain economic control. Basically big business and the extremely wealthy have exerted more influence on the government, but it will swing the other way. Believe me, this is preferable to a world of competing empires.

    The best examples right now are in Scandinavia. You only need look at quality of life data. There is no debate.

    If we have to assign a root cause to the problems in the modern Middle East it would be the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the resulting power vacuum. The British and French filled this vacuum and the rest is history. The Ottomans had a long history of expanding into Europe so what do you expect? What else might have happened?

    The Ottomans could have survived until WWII, or perhaps even existed until now in some form. Would that have been preferable? I don't think so. Maybe the British and French should have allowed the region to decide nation borders based on ethnicity? Or facilitated/sanctioned such a thing? This is the best plan, but I'm pretty sure we're trying to do this now and still failing at it. Who's to say that they would have even been capable of such a thing back then or that it would have turned out well? The British and French could have left and let them fight among themselves to settle things, but who's to say how that would have turned out? They could still be fighting today (they kind of are actually), or the region could have come under the yoke of another foreign power resulting in god knows what.

    None of these alternative histories necessarily lead to a stable middle east with a sovereign Kurd Nation.

    Also, you should know that Nietzsche and Plato are, quite literally, opposing philosophies. This is most clearly explained in Twilight of the Idols.
    If I could give you two thumbs up, I would. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonici View Post
    Hahahah! Goga, it writes you're R1a, tell us if you really got a Y-DNA test..
    You say Turkish are defeated by forgetting: 500-550 Turkish martyr and +5.200 pkk(Ultra Kurdish nationalist) death during 2015-2016 Turkia-pkk conflict. Be a real man, not a daydreamer. Come to us with your sources.
    Turkish army will soon annex the Mosul and Kirkuk, if Turkia wasn't then Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq) would be destroyed by the Iraq and Iran, you're economically dependent to Turkish. However, at first, I don't think hostility to Kurdish people because their majority are Muslim people, that's major cause why Turkia has good relations with Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq). Kurdistan(autonomous to Iraq) and Turkia has common benefits in the region as two Muslim states, united against pkk.
    I did a DNA test many years ago on 23andme. I 've posted my results on this site and everywhere else.


    Maybe max real 100 PKK Aryan freedom guerilla warriors died for our beloved Aryan state, Kurdistan. Turks are so desperate they are inventing the stattistics.

    PKK Aryan warriors destroyed more than 3000 Turkish terrorists.

    Even the Western Media doesn't fall into the Turanic propaganda. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36094549


    Turkye is finished, soon you have to go to your beloved homeland the Altay Mountains where you are from. Just wait and see. Turkye is finished big time.


    VERY soon I will wish you the best with your new life in you ancient homeland around the Altai Mountains, next to China. Bye, bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    R1a & R1b & R2 were north of Hindu Kush 30-15 ka, check Kupruk cave
    R1a & R1b arrived south of Caspian Sea 15 ka, check Hoti & Belt caves
    From there R1a & R1b dispersed, check 14 ka Villabruna.
    6.5 ka when PIE was spoken R1-M269 and R1b-M73 were on the Pontic steppe, somewhere between Don and Ural rivers.
    5 ka R1a-M417 was a herder in the forest-steppe zone north of the Pontic steppe who adopted IE language and IE way of life
    that is the most parsimonious explanation
    R1b* and R1a* are MUCH MORE diverse on the Iranian Plateau diverse than in South Central Asia & Northern India. We have many studies about it.

    I belong to the most ARCHAIC R1a* has been found in Kurdistan. And I'm the best example.

    + there is also R2 on the Iranian Plateau.

    + Ancient R1a* and R1b* is the most DIVERSE on the Iranian Plateau.



    R1* has to be from the same place where we are finding ancient R1a*, R1b* AND R2 en even some other P*-something haplogroups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I did a DNA test many years ago on 23andme. I 've posted my results on this site and everywhere else.


    Maybe max real 100 PKK Aryan freedom guerilla warriors died for our beloved Aryan state, Kurdistan. Turks are so desperate they are inventing the stattistics.

    PKK Aryan warriors destroyed more than 3000 Turkish terrorists.

    Even the Western Media doesn't fall into the Turanic propaganda. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36094549


    Turkye is finished, soon you have to go to your beloved homeland the Altay Mountains where you are from. Just wait and see. Turkye is finished big time.


    VERY soon I will wish you the best with your new life in you ancient homeland around the Altai Mountains, next to China. Bye, bye
    So send the test to here again to verify what you said.. continue to believing your ultra Kurdish nationalist propaganda, it's not even enough to satisfy yourself. As the Kurds are multi-ethnic people, Muslim Kurds were forced by pkk and Turkish army soldiers and Turkish polices have rescued them by city operations and army airstrikes to Northern Iraq, as the result, +5200 ultra Kurdish nationalist(so-called) pkk militants were eliminated by Turkish Armed Forces.
    Muslim Kurdish people support Turkish Armed Forces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QtPkhLLX2w

    "BBC" is an ultra-British propaganda company, you forgot, how we Turkish crushed them British in Gallipoli war, they're still hurt and their hurt feelings make them to create such fictive news.
    Another:
    The thing which Ultra Kurdish nationalist(so called) pkk commander has explained to Kurdish channel on Turksat "They're bombing us with artillery, bombs(like bunker busters), grenade launchers,
    the situation is very bad, We've been finished, there are about 100-200 youngs(militants) in hand of us, I don't know what we will do with them, if they(pkk) will get them ....(crying)"The video about:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AvavLOB6x4
    2016: pkk(so called: ultra Kurdish nationalist) is defeated again!!! pkk is ended.
    WIKI:

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    What are you doing here? If I was you I would already start my backs, because very soon you will go back to your original homeland, the Altai Mountains.

    Daesh/Turks (Turanic & Arabic Sunni Muslim terrorists) are getting completely destroyed by the Aryan Kurds.

    It is funy that you are saying that you are about conquer the world

    Either you are delusional of you are desperate with your childish and retard propaganda and wishful thinking.

    This are my last words to you, I don’t like to talk with the Turks. Turanic Turks don’t deserve my precious Aryan time.


    I would rather go to a toilet than talking/discussing to/with a Turanic Turks.


    I'm an Aryan Ezdi, my daddy is an Aryan Ezdi, his daddy was an Aryan Ezdi, daddy of my great, grand daddt was an Aryan Ezdi, and that goes back to the Sumerian times native to Kurdistan.


    Do you know who you are and where ancestors and your language are from?


    Bye bye Turkey, Turkey…
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaheen15 View Post
    "Andronovo monkeys"

    ??????????
    Yeah, monkeys. Why? I'll tell you why:

    Compared to their neighbors Andronovo folks were really uncivilized, backward/stupid people with lower and much more primitive culture.

    China with its thinkers/philosophers to the east was much, much, mcuh more advanced than Andronovo. And East Aryan Zoroasrian BMAC folks who invaded the Indus Valley were also much more highly advanced people, compared to those 'monkeys' in the Steppes.


    There is a new study I came across on www.anthrogenica.com (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...458#post163458) that is saying that the ancient East Iranian Zoroastrian people were similar to the Neolithic Iranian samples. We know today that those Neolithic Iranian samples were full of CHG (ANE & Gedrosia). Even current modern-day Pakistani and Indian populations are highly related to the Iranian Plateau and to the ANCIENT Zoroastrians.


    For me, it is a great evidence that CHG ARYANS from the Iranian Plateau migrated into the Indus Valley.


    Don't forget this GREAT fact that the ancient East Iranian Zoroastrians of BMAC and those who invaded the Indus Valley were similar to the Neolithic Iranian samples FROM the Iranian Plateau.


    Modern-day West Iranian are a little bit different from those ancient CHG Aryans, because modern-day Iranians, like Kurds & Persians, are mixed a little bit with the ancient Anatolian farmers.


    " Interestingly, analysis of ancestry patterns revealed strong affinities of the Neolithic Iranian sample to modern-day Pakistani and Indian populations, and particularly to Iranian Zoroastrians, in stark contrast to Neolithic samples from Europe. We also identify, describe and date recent admixture events in modern-day Iranian groups that have altered their current genetic make-up relative to these ancient origins. "

    http://quantitative-genomics.com/pro...erenceBook.pdf


    But from the ancient samples we know that ancient Iranian Plateau folks were not really mixed with the Anatolian Farmers. While modern-day Iranian groups (they don't mention particular groups) are a little bit different from those ancient 'more' CHG-folks. Btw, I'm sure that Kurds are much more 'pure' that the Persians. Over time Persians even lost an ergativity construction in their language.

    Kurdish language is more pure and closer to the ancient Aryan source than Persian. After so many thousands of years, Kurdish has still en ergativity construction, while Persian (Farsi) lost an ergativity during the Middle-Farsi times..


    Ancient East Iranian Zoroastrian Aryans were very close to the Neolithic CHG Iranians.


    This is game, set, match for those who believe that Aryans were NOT native to the Iranian Plateau! Ancient Zoroasttrian Aryan samples are the last nail in the coffin of their wild fantasies.


    From now on the 'Iranian CHG' auDNA is forever associated and linked with/to the ancient Aryan people, who brought civilizations into the Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley! CHG = ANE (Gedrosian), ANE could be actually native to the Iranian Plateau. But because of the Anatolian Farmer auDNA that migrated also eastwards, the CHG (ANE) auDNA diluted a little bit on it's original birthplace.

    The Iranian Plateau (Southern Caspian shores/Leyla-Tepe/Northwestern Zagros) (+birthplace of Zarathustra) was Aryan, it does belong to the Aryans and it will be forever Aryan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    What are you doing here? If I was you I would already start my backs, because very soon you will go back to your original homeland, the Altai Mountains.

    Daesh/Turks (Turanic & Arabic Sunni Muslim terrorists) are getting completely destroyed by the Aryan Kurds.

    It is funy that you are saying that you are about conquer the world

    Either you are delusional of you are desperate with your childish and retard propaganda and wishful thinking.

    This are my last words to you, I don’t like to talk with the Turks. Turanic Turks don’t deserve my precious Aryan time.


    I would rather go to a toilet than talking/discussing to/with a Turanic Turks.


    I'm an Aryan Ezdi, my daddy is an Aryan Ezdi, his daddy was an Aryan Ezdi, daddy of my great, grand daddt was an Aryan Ezdi, and that goes back to the Sumerian times native to Kurdistan.


    Do you know who you are and where ancestors and your language are from?


    Bye bye Turkey, Turkey…
    You've been warned about insulting other ethnicities. You just got an infraction. Every time in the future that it comes to my attention that you are doing this you'll get another one. If you want to keep posting here cut it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    You've been warned about insulting other ethnicities. You just got an infraction. Every time in the future that it comes to my attention that you are doing this you'll get another one. If you want to keep posting here cut it out.
    I didn't insult anybody directly. I'm just writing the facts. Maybe I'm not really politically correct, but I'm always telling the true. I'm not a politician to be polite, political correct and to fool people. I love people!

    Some people think they are smart enough to force me making mistakes and break the rules. I'm never breaking the rules, because I'm always telling the true.


    I'm a nobel person with high values & moral who loves the truth!


    Some people, enemies of Kurdish race, want to spread their b*ll retard propaganda and censor the truth!


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    NOBODY can censor the real truth on internet. Real truth will be always victorious above twisted lies and propaganda! This is the 21st century...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Yeah, monkeys. Why? I'll tell you why:

    Compared to their neighbors Andronovo folks were really uncivilized, backward/stupid people with lower and much more primitive culture.

    China with its thinkers/philosophers to the east was much, much, mcuh more advanced than Andronovo. And East Aryan Zoroasrian BMAC folks who invaded the Indus Valley were also much more highly advanced people, compared to those 'monkeys' in the Steppes.


    There is a new study I came across on www.anthrogenica.com (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...458#post163458) that is saying that the ancient East Iranian Zoroastrian people were similar to the Neolithic Iranian samples. We know today that those Neolithic Iranian samples were full of CHG (ANE & Gedrosia). Even current modern-day Pakistani and Indian populations are highly related to the Iranian Plateau and to the ANCIENT Zoroastrians.


    For me, it is a great evidence that CHG ARYANS from the Iranian Plateau migrated into the Indus Valley.


    Don't forget this GREAT fact that the ancient East Iranian Zoroastrians of BMAC and those who invaded the Indus Valley were similar to the Neolithic Iranian samples FROM the Iranian Plateau.


    Modern-day West Iranian are a little bit different from those ancient CHG Aryans, because modern-day Iranians, like Kurds & Persians, are mixed a little bit with the ancient Anatolian farmers.


    " Interestingly, analysis of ancestry patterns revealed strong affinities of the Neolithic Iranian sample to modern-day Pakistani and Indian populations, and particularly to Iranian Zoroastrians, in stark contrast to Neolithic samples from Europe. We also identify, describe and date recent admixture events in modern-day Iranian groups that have altered their current genetic make-up relative to these ancient origins. "

    http://quantitative-genomics.com/pro...erenceBook.pdf


    But from the ancient samples we know that ancient Iranian Plateau folks were not really mixed with the Anatolian Farmers. While modern-day Iranian groups (they don't mention particular groups) are a little bit different from those ancient 'more' CHG-folks. Btw, I'm sure that Kurds are much more 'pure' that the Persians. Over time Persians even lost an ergativity construction in their language.

    Kurdish language is more pure and closer to the ancient Aryan source than Persian. After so many thousands of years, Kurdish has still en ergativity construction, while Persian (Farsi) lost an ergativity during the Middle-Farsi times..


    Ancient East Iranian Zoroastrian Aryans were very close to the Neolithic CHG Iranians.


    This is game, set, match for those who believe that Aryans were NOT native to the Iranian Plateau! Ancient Zoroasttrian Aryan samples are the last nail in the coffin of their wild fantasies.


    From now on the 'Iranian CHG' auDNA is forever associated and linked with/to the ancient Aryan people, who brought civilizations into the Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley! CHG = ANE (Gedrosian), ANE could be actually native to the Iranian Plateau. But because of the Anatolian Farmer auDNA that migrated also eastwards, the CHG (ANE) auDNA diluted a little bit on it's original birthplace.

    The Iranian Plateau (Southern Caspian shores/Leyla-Tepe/Northwestern Zagros) (+birthplace of Zarathustra) was Aryan, it does belong to the Aryans and it will be forever Aryan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Yeah, monkeys. Why? I'll tell you why:

    Compared to their neighbors Andronovo folks were really uncivilized, backward/stupid people with lower and much more primitive culture.

    China with its thinkers/philosophers to the east was much, much, mcuh more advanced than Andronovo. And East Aryan Zoroasrian BMAC folks who invaded the Indus Valley were also much more highly advanced people, compared to those 'monkeys' in the Steppes.

    You shouldn't talk about your ancestors that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaheen15 View Post
    You shouldn't talk about your ancestors that way.
    Impossible! My ancestors have nothing to do with Central Asia. ALL of them are native to the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.
    My ancestors and their high advanced civilizations predate those Andronovo 'monkeys' by thousands of years.

    Those who want those Andronovo 'monkeys', can have them. But it is not true that Andronovo 'monkeys' were my ancestors. My people, my race, my native West Iranian/Aryan-Mesopotamian religion connected to the Sumerians have nothing to do with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    What are you doing here? If I was you I would already start my backs, because very soon you will go back to your original homeland, the Altai Mountains.

    Daesh/Turks (Turanic & Arabic Sunni Muslim terrorists) are getting completely destroyed by the Aryan Kurds.

    It is funy that you are saying that you are about conquer the world

    Either you are delusional of you are desperate with your childish and retard propaganda and wishful thinking.

    This are my last words to you, I don’t like to talk with the Turks. Turanic Turks don’t deserve my precious Aryan time.


    I would rather go to a toilet than talking/discussing to/with a Turanic Turks.


    I'm an Aryan Ezdi, my daddy is an Aryan Ezdi, his daddy was an Aryan Ezdi, daddy of my great, grand daddt was an Aryan Ezdi, and that goes back to the Sumerian times native to Kurdistan.


    Do you know who you are and where ancestors and your language are from?


    Bye bye Turkey, Turkey…
    You're a daydreamer ultra Kurdish nationalist and your non-Muslim people are pawn of imperialist countries in the Middle East by the way..
    Edward Snowden has explained about the "daesh" that daesh founders are United Kingdom, United States of America and Israel...
    As Turkia supports Syrian oppositions(Syrian Turkmens with them, our cognate) and Syrian oppositions are in war against the daesh(ISIS), as daesh bombed the Turkish cities which were close to border, caused many civilian casualties(death,wounded etc.).. as you're such ultra nationalist anti-Turkish(because you're hurt of your loser guerrillas), you'll also find a excuse for that like saying "Turkish government wants it's people to be killed", no!! my friend no!! stop being a daydreamer, the only pawn people who follow their dreams in the Middle East are ultra Kurdish nationalists(ypg-pkk supporters) ...
    Turanism is a scientific ideology, what can you say about the Aryan ancestry of the general Kurdish people??!! According the genetic tests minimum %49 of the Kurds are from Y-DNA J2, which is ancient Iranian and from semitic race, the Greek majority are also belong to J2 and J2 are settled people, not nomadic like the Aryans. Aryans were steppe-nomadic and the Turkic tribes are steppe-nomadic too, stop living with Aryan dream, get scientific test and then we may talk. You didn't even send us your Y-DNA test that you're claiming you're R1a.
    There is no Kurdistan, except the Barzani's region and country, stop being a daydreamer.
    My ancestors are Eastern Blacksean Turkic Cumans who've been reached to Eastern Blacksea from Georgia/Caucasia. Cumans were steppe nomadic people with reddish blonde hair and blue-eyes, as my paternal grandfather had blue-eyes, I think I'm of Turkic Cuman origin. Cumans are mameluke founders and a few Eastern European dynasties are of Cuman origin.
    I'll soon get a Y-DNA test but I'm probably a R1b-L23, as %30-40 of the population of Blacksea/Turkia are of Turkic Cuman origin.
    "Kurd" name doesn't resemble a race, tribe, as there was no even an empire called "Kurd" in history. Turkic Cuman tribes were steppe-nomadic Turkic spekaers from Turkic Khaganate, as today Bashkir Turks have R1b-L23 genetic and R1b-L23 is called Greco-Etruscan(=Macedonian and Roman founder haplogroup), it shows some Turkic tribes are related to the Great Alexander's tribes(Macedonian empire).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Impossible! My ancestors have nothing to do with Central Asia. ALL of them are native to the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.
    My ancestors and their high advanced civilizations predate those Andronovo 'monkeys' by thousands of years.

    Those who want those Andronovo 'monkeys', can have them. But it is not true that Andronovo 'monkeys' were my ancestors. My people, my race, my native West Iranian/Aryan-Mesopotamian religion connected to the Sumerians have nothing to do with them...

    You are one very, very confused little fella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I didn't insult anybody directly. I'm just writing the facts. Maybe I'm not really politically correct, but I'm always telling the true. I'm not a politician to be polite, political correct and to fool people. I love people!

    Some people think they are smart enough to force me making mistakes and break the rules. I'm never breaking the rules, because I'm always telling the true.


    I'm a nobel person with high values & moral who loves the truth!


    Some people, enemies of Kurdish race, want to spread their b*ll retard propaganda and censor the truth!


    A reminder to Kurdish enemies:


    NOBODY can censor the real truth on internet. Real truth will be always victorious above twisted lies and propaganda! This is the 21st century...
    If you want to be noble, then stop calling the ancestors of other people "monkey's", stop writing things about preferring to do you know what than speaking to Turks.

    I meant it; I won't tolerate any more of this. STOP IT!

    I don't want any more anti-Kurdish propaganda either.

    This is an academic thread. GET BACK ON TOPIC, or infractions are going to fly and this thread will be closed.

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