Central Asian paternal Y-DNA ( Turkish chart ) Mongoloid Caucasian haplogroup

[Gurka atla]

Note: The data is written in both Englisn and Turkish. ( To those who don't know ) All these are either Mongoloid/Asian paternal Y-DNA or European/White paternal Y-DNA.


Mongoloid male Y-DNA


C3/C2 = Typical of Mongolian, Buryats, Tunguistic, and common in Manchus, Korean
N = Typical of East Siberia, Turkic, North Europe/ Russia and very common in Southern Chinese
O = Typical of East and Southeast Asian
D1 = Typical of Tibetan
Q = Typical of Siberian Turkics, Native Americans


Caucasoid male Y-DNA

R1a = Typical of Europeans, Southern Central Asia, North India
R1b = Typical of European and West Siberia
J = Typical of West Asian, Middle easterner, Caucasus
I = Typical of North Europeans and Central Europeans
G = Typical of Caucasus
E = Typical of South European, North African and Bantu African




By the way Y-DNA and mtDNA of Turks seems to vary from region to region. It's a proven fact that Central Asia is the biggest melpot of interracial marriages between Mongoloid and Caucasians.
Central Asia is a interesting place. A place where many Asian men/women , Caucasian men/women, Half Asian-Caucasian men/women had banged eachother.


( Note: R1b, Q is not included since they are group together, we don't know the exact percentage for them seperately in these charts .I will also include their mtDNA )






Kazakhs




63.2% C2b, O, 13.2% , C2c 10,5% + D 2.6% = 97.4% East Asian male Y-DNA


R1a 2.6% =2.6% Caucasian male Y-DNA




mtDNA: 40-50% Caucasian female DNA
mtDNA: 50-60% East Asian female DNA

Y-DNA






On the Kazakhs, another study shows Haplogroup C3 only 36% while Caucasian Y-DNA haplogroup make up 40-50% and Caucasian female mtDNA 50-65% , Mongoloid female mtDNA 40-68%









Kyrgyz


C2b 12.2% +. C2c 7.3 % , N3 2.4% = 22% East Asian male Y-DNA
R1a 63.4% + J 4.9% + I 2.4% = 70.7% Caucasian male Y-DNA


mtDNA Caucasian female DNA = 27% to 42.6%
mtDNA East Asian female DNA = 56% to 70%

some Kyrgyz mtDNA study shows 5-10% South Asian mtDNA, I don't know why


Other study shows Kyrgyz with 37% East Asian male Y-DNA and 62% mtDNA for female


Other shows them


25% O3 + 14 % C3 + 2.4% N = 41.5% East Asian male Y-DNA
69% East Asian female DNA

Uyghurs from Kazakhstan


C2 15.2% , O 15.2 = 30.4% East Asian male Y-DNA
J 27,3 , R1a 21,2 + G , I 9.1 = 54.1% Caucasian male Y-DNA


Caucasian female mtDNA: 48%
East Asian female mtDNA: 52%

Uyghurs in Xinjiang, East Turkistan


East Asian male Y-DNA ranges from 22.7% to 39%
East Asian female mt-DNA ranges from 40% to 58%


Caucasian Y-DNA ranges from 61% to 78%
Caucasian mtDNA ranges from 42.6% to 54.5%


Uygur/Urumqi:
1/31 = 3.2% Y
1/31 = 3.2% C
2/31 = 6.5% E
8/31 = 25.8% J
1/31 = 3.2% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/31 = 6.5% N1b
1/31 = 3.2% O1a
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c1-M117
6/31 = 19.4% P*
7/31 = 22.6% R1a


Uygur/Yili:
8/39 = 20.5% Y*
1/39 = 2.6% C*
3/39 = 7.7% C3c
1/39 = 2.6% DE(xE)
5/39 = 12.8% K*(xNO, P)
1/39 = 2.6% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/39 = 5.1% N1c1
2/39 = 5.1% O3*
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c1-M117
6/39 = 15.4% P*(xR1a)
6/39 = 15.4% R1a






Uzbeks from Uzbekistan


C2c 14.3% + D+ 3.6% = 17.9% East Asian male Y-DNA
R1a 32.1 , J 21.4 + 3.6 = 57.1% Caucasian male Y-DNA


mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 65%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 35%

Another study shows Uzbeks with 28% East Asian male Y-DNA ( there was 4.5% O3 ) while East Asian female DNA 41%




Afghan Uzbeks East Asian male Y-DNA is from as low as 3% to as high as 46%


Afghanistan and Pakistan ethnic minority


" Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events"


http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC3314501/


"Haplogroup C3 in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 "




Haplogroup C3 and O3


Uzbeks/ Afghanistan 41.18% C3 + 5.9% O3 East Asian male Y-DNA


Hazara/ Pakistan 40% C3 + 8% O3


Hazaras/ Afghanistan 33.33% C3 + O3 2.56%


Tajiks/Afghanistan 3.57% C3 + O3 9%


Pashtuns Afghanistan 2.04% C3


Pashtun Pakistan 5% C3


Turkmen






N 9.5% = 9.5% East asian male Y-DNA
J1 23.8%, G 4.8%, R1a 4.8% = 34% Caucasian male DNA ( 80-90% if most are R1b )


Caucasian female mtDNA: 80%
East Asian female mtDNA: 20%

Turkmen from Iran and Afghanistan


have 42.6% haplogroup Q and they look more Mongoloid than the ones in Iran.

42.6% East Asian male Y-DNA
53% Caucasian male Y-DNA


90% Caucasian female mtDNA
10% East Asian female mtDNA










Azerbaijan


5.3% N = 5.3% East Asian male Y-DNA
J 57.9% , G 5.3% + R1a 5.3% + E. 5.3% Caucasian male Y-DNA


96.1% mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA
4.9% mtDNA: East Asian female DNA

Azerbaijan from Iran


According to a study in Iran in Northern Iran (which is Azerbaijan) the Y-DNA haplogroups are distributed like as follows:


Q (9.09%)
N (6.06%)
O (3.03%)
C3 (3.03%)
R1a1 (3.03%)
R1a (3.03%)
R1*(3.03%)
L (3.03%)
J2a (3.03%)
J1 (9.095)
J2b1 (15.05%)
J2b1b (3.03%)
J2b (3.03%)
R1b1a (15.15%)
R2 (3.03%)
G2 (12.12%)
G1 (3.03%)


Q 9.09 + N 6.06 + O 3.03 + C3 3.03 = 21.21% East Asian paternal Y-DNA


R1a1 3.03% + R1a + 3.03% + R1* 3.03% + L 3.03% + J2a 3.03% + J1 9.095+ J2b1 15.05% + J2b1b 3.03%+ J2b(3.03%+ R1b1a 15.15%+ R2 3.03%+ G2 12.12% + G1 3.03% = 79.79% Caucasian male paternal Y-DNA






mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 85%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 15%








Turkey




1.3 - 13 % East asian male Y-DNA
87 - 97% Caucasian male Y-DNA


mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 90.1%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 3 - 15%

Turkish East Asian male and female mtDNA ranges from province.


Haplogroup C3 is from 0% to 5%, N 2% to 7%, Q from 1% to 13%

 

[Gurka atla]

On Autosomal.


Mongolians are 88 - 99% Asian
Kazakhs are 60-78% Asian


Uyghur are 32-68% Asian
Turkish are 3-23% Asian






Interracial marriage predominately Mongoloid Y-DNA and Caucasoid mtDNA


Kazakhs
Crimean Tatars
Uzbeks Afghan
Azeris from Iran
Turkmen from Iran
Hazara
Mongolians
Buryats
Kalmyks


Interracial marriage predominately Caucasoid Y-DNA and Mongoloid mtDNA


Kyrgyz
Uzbek
Uyghur
Nogais
Turkish
Turkmen.
Altay
Tajik
Karakalpak

 

[Fluffy]

Surprised to see G so common in Iran....

 

[Gurka atla]

Surprised to see G so common in Iran....

Is common in only ethnic minorities of Iran.

 

[Gurka atla]

Double post.

 

[Dinarid]

Assigning races to haplogroups is a bad idea, unless we are talking about the appearance of the first people in which they arose, in which case: the original men who carried Haplogroup R were most definitely Mongoloids. Please explain to me how a lineage from the mountains of Central Asia/Siberia closest to O, P, and Q could have been of Europoid appearance.

 

[Gurka atla]

Assigning races to haplogroups is a bad idea, unless we are talking about the appearance of the first people in which they arose, in which case: the original men who carried Haplogroup R were most definitely Mongoloids. Please explain to me how a lineage from the mountains of Central Asia/Siberia closest to O, P, and Q could have been of Europoid appearance.

Why are there some people like you that keep claiming haplogroup R is mongoloid?

is the world coming to a end or what?

 

[Sile]

[/QUOTE]Uygur/Urumqi:
1/31 = 3.2% Y
1/31 = 3.2% C
2/31 = 6.5% E
8/31 = 25.8% J
1/31 = 3.2% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/31 = 6.5% N1b
1/31 = 3.2% O1a
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c1-M117
6/31 = 19.4% P*
7/31 = 22.6% R1a


Uygur/Yili:
8/39 = 20.5% Y*
1/39 = 2.6% C*
3/39 = 7.7% C3c
1/39 = 2.6% DE(xE)
5/39 = 12.8% K*(xNO, P)
1/39 = 2.6% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/39 = 5.1% N1c1
2/39 = 5.1% O3*
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c1-M117
6/39 = 15.4% P*(xR1a)
6/39 = 15.4% R1a



[/QUOTE]

These are the most interesting you presented

Is 6/31 = 19.4% P* ...............= R1b? ............since R1a is presented

same for this one 6/39 = 15.4% P*(xR1a)

and

5/39 = 12.8% K*(xNO, P) .......can only be T and L ( which is the only remaining haplogroups ) unless it was pure K=M9 which would be odd

 

[Gurka atla]

These are the most interesting you presented

Is 6/31 = 19.4% P* ...............= R1b? ............since R1a is presented

same for this one 6/39 = 15.4% P*(xR1a)

and

5/39 = 12.8% K*(xNO, P) .......can only be T and L ( which is the only remaining haplogroups ) unless it was pure K=M9 which would be odd

Don't know about that one.

 

[Dinarid]

Why are there some people like you that keep claiming haplogroup R is mongoloid?

is the world coming to a end or what?

Look at the men who carry Haplogroup Q. Look at the men who carry Haplogroup O. Look at the men who carry the North Asian/Siberian branch of Haplogroup P (mainly Tuvans). They are who R comes from. The original men who carried R most likely had a Mongoloid appearance based on the father and brother haplogroups. I don't see how some Nordic tribes could have magically appeared in the steppes of Central Asia born to Mongoloid parents.

How anyone can dispute this is beyond me. I guess because Nordicism is still seen as desirable, sadly, and the majority of European men belong to Haplogroup R. If you could refute the points I have made I would be very interested.

 

[Gurka atla]

Look at the men who carry Haplogroup Q. Look at the men who carry Haplogroup O. Look at the men who carry the North Asian/Siberian branch of Haplogroup P (mainly Tuvans). They are who R comes from. The original men who carried R most likely had a Mongoloid appearance based on the father and brother haplogroups. I don't see how some Nordic tribes could have magically appeared in the steppes of Central Asia born to Mongoloid parents.

How anyone can dispute this is beyond me. I guess because Nordicism is still seen as desirable, sadly, and the majority of European men belong to Haplogroup R. If you could refute the points I have made I would be very interested.

You theory sounds like a lunatic..... haplogroup R is mongoloid? hahahaha............

 

[Dinarid]

You theory sounds like a lunatic..... haplogroup R is mongoloid? hahahaha............

So are you actually going to disprove it?

 

[Dinarid]

I have now reconsidered, based on a discussion from another thread about Haplogroup P and Mongoloids. I consider that it may well have been Australoid. However, since I haven't gotten a response in any event I rest my case.

 

[Fire Haired14]

Thanks for all the data.

"All these are either Mongoloid/Asian paternal Y-DNA or European/White paternal Y-DNA."

This isn't true. All of the "European" lineages are found in Middle East and many in Northern/Central and Southern Asia. If you read discussion on this forum you'll see European and Middle Eastern genetics are very interconnected in the last 10,000 years and these haplogroups are much older than 10,000 years.

A "European" and "East Asian" distinction makes sense today but exactly what their relationship and origin is is unknown. We can't assume certain Y DNA haplogroups/paternal lineages belong to either genetic cluster that exists today in 2016 AD. Maybe modern genetic clusters are a mixture of older ones who are the source of these lineages, so no one today is a good representative for the source of the Y DNA haplogroups. We know this is the case for at least Native Americans, South Asians, Middle Easterners, and Europeans. It's probably true for all humans. Modern distinct genetic clusters are a mixture of older ones that doesn't exist in their pure forms anymore.

For example Y DNA P(Father of R and Q) didn't originated in a truly "Caucasian" or "Asian" people. It originated in people who contributed ancestry to both West Eurasians(especially Europeans) and Native Americans. This ancestor was distantly related to other ancestors of West Eurasians, and can loosely be called West Eurasian or Caucasian but that really isn't a good way to describe them. So R and Q can't accurately be described as "Caucasian" or "Asian". They're from something that doesn't exist in its pure form anymore and contributed ancestry to a lot of modern people.

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Also an important thing to remember is Y DNA in humans is prone to drift. What I mean is in many populations in the world the majority of men trace their paternal lines to the same man who lived only 5,000 or so years ago. For example 50%+ of Western European men trace their father line to a man who lived no more than 6,000 years ago. The same pattern exists all over the world.

So you can have a population where most of their Y DNA is from an ancestor they don't have a comparable amount of ancestry from. For example literally about 100% of non-Afro Puerto Ricans have a Spanish father line but Spanish ancestry there can be under 50%, most are over 60% but you'll never find a Puerto Rican who's 100% Spanish. Everywhere in Latin America the vast majority of people have Spanish paternal lines but many can be as much as 50% Native American ancestry.

 

[Dinarid]

Thanks for all the data.

"All these are either Mongoloid/Asian paternal Y-DNA or European/White paternal Y-DNA."

This isn't true. All of the "European" lineages are found in Middle East and many in Northern/Central and Southern Asia. If you read discussion on this forum you'll see European and Middle Eastern genetics are very interconnected in the last 10,000 years and these haplogroups are much older than 10,000 years.

A "European" and "East Asian" distinction makes sense today but exactly what their relationship and origin is is unknown. We can't assume certain Y DNA haplogroups/paternal lineages belong to either genetic cluster that exists today in 2016 AD. Maybe modern genetic clusters are a mixture of older ones who are the source of these lineages, so no one today is a good representative for the source of the Y DNA haplogroups. We know this is the case for at least Native Americans, South Asians, Middle Easterners, and Europeans. It's probably true for all humans. Modern distinct genetic clusters are a mixture of older ones that doesn't exist in their pure forms anymore.

For example Y DNA P(Father of R and Q) didn't originated in a truly "Caucasian" or "Asian" people. It originated in people who contributed ancestry to both West Eurasians(especially Europeans) and Native Americans. This ancestor was distantly related to other ancestors of West Eurasians, and can loosely be called West Eurasian or Caucasian but that really isn't a good way to describe them. So R and Q can't accurately be described as "Caucasian" or "Asian". They're from something that doesn't exist in its pure form anymore and contributed ancestry to a lot of modern people.

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Also an important thing to remember is Y DNA in humans is prone to drift. What I mean is in many populations in the world the majority of men trace their paternal lines to the same man who lived only 5,000 or so years ago. For example 50%+ of Western European men trace their father line to a man who lived no more than 6,000 years ago. The same pattern exists all over the world.

So you can have a population where most of their Y DNA is from an ancestor they don't have a comparable amount of ancestry from. For example literally about 100% of non-Afro Puerto Ricans have a Spanish father line but Spanish ancestry there can be under 50%, most are over 60% but you'll never find a Puerto Rican who's 100% Spanish. Everywhere in Latin America the vast majority of people have Spanish paternal lines but many can be as much as 50% Native American ancestry.

Nice try but there is no reasonable dialogue with him/her. Just look at our exchanges above. Besides I saw a similar thread when I did a Google search on this subject and a thread came up from some anthropology forum where people tend to be particularly dogmatic about racial classification.

 

[Gurka atla]

So are you actually going to disprove it?

I don't need to disprove it because it lacks commonsense.

 

[Dinarid]

I don't need to disprove it because it lacks commonsense.

No, it really doesn't. Most carriers of Haplogroup Q are Mongoloid and most carriers of Haplogroup P are Australoid. You simply can't refute these facts, so you refuse to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion.

 

[Gurka atla]

No, it really doesn't. Most carriers of Haplogroup Q are Mongoloid and most carriers of Haplogroup P are Australoid. You simply can't refute these facts, so you refuse to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion.

It just sounds like a ridicolous theory. What am I suppose to say ? how can I refute something that sounds so silly.

You're not a expert, you're only a member so I don't need to make any meaningful discussion to disprove your self-made theory.

 

[Dinarid]

It just sounds like a ridicolous theory. What am I suppose to say ? how can I refute something that sounds so silly.

You're not a expert, you're only a member so I don't need to make any meaningful discussion to disprove your self-made theory.

I made some points, and provided evidence for them. Haplogroup P is Australoid and Q is Mongoloid. The area in which R originated is mostly Mongoloid. Just provide evidence to the contrary. That's all I ask. If you can't refute it despite the evidence I've provided, you have no reason to call it ridiculous, okay? And no, one need not be an "expert" to postulate about something.

 

[lone_wolf]

I made some points, and provided evidence for them. Haplogroup P is Australoid and Q is Mongoloid. The area in which R originated is mostly Mongoloid. Just provide evidence to the contrary. That's all I ask. If you can't refute it despite the evidence I've provided, you have no reason to call it ridiculous, okay? And no, one need not be an "expert" to postulate about something.

I have read and thought about it. It seems logical. I believe you.Its not possible for a haplogroup to originate in altai/central asia and NOT adapt to the climate of the area.proof???look at all the descendants or R. Germans, English, etc.Many have epicanthic folds on their eyes, and suprisingly look Turkic.I see so many Turkmen and Kyrgyz having the SAME eye shape as Europeans. The epicanthic fold we see clearly. So many Aussies here have it too and it gets more prominent as they age. The Epicanthic fold Originated in Altai/Central Asia and from my observation as working as a security guard and dealing with literally thousands of people, I can confidently say it runs at about 60-80% of males in White Aussies here in Australia. Sam Worthington's eyes is an example. Also Brad Pitt. Its called external / lateral epicanthic fold. or external epicanthus. That eyes did not originate in Europe. Because the original inhabitants of Europe (y-DNA I ) did not have them. It is purely an R sequence.