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Thread: Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions v. K13 - Reason for Discrepancy?

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    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions v. K13 - Reason for Discrepancy?

    I just got my autosomal DNA tests over at FTDna and I uploaded the results to GEDMatch. I just ran this test on my DNA sample to see what I'd get.

    K15

    Population
    North_Sea 34.27
    Atlantic 22.19
    Baltic 10.68
    Eastern_Euro 7.82
    West_Med 9.77
    West_Asian 3.85
    East_Med 6.28
    Red_Sea 2.31
    South_Asian 0.94
    Southeast_Asian 0.73
    Siberian 0.85
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.15
    Sub-Saharan 0.16


    Or from Oracle-4:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 35.27
    2 Atlantic 22.84
    3 Baltic 10.99
    4 West_Med 10.05
    5 Eastern_Euro 8.05
    6 East_Med 6.46
    7 West_Asian 3.96
    8 Red_Sea 2.38


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_German @ 2.804410
    2 South_Dutch @ 7.348853
    3 North_Dutch @ 8.035695
    4 Southwest_English @ 8.079571
    5 North_German @ 8.482955
    6 Southeast_English @ 8.552118
    7 Danish @ 8.672141
    8 Norwegian @ 9.612934
    9 French @ 10.072474
    10 Irish @ 10.151089
    11 Swedish @ 10.262135
    12 West_Scottish @ 10.334093
    13 Orcadian @ 10.487629
    14 West_Norwegian @ 10.943548
    15 North_Swedish @ 13.001655
    16 East_German @ 13.046979
    17 Hungarian @ 16.324181
    18 Austrian @ 17.452854
    19 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.218288
    20 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.455647

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 2.804410


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Sicilian @ 2.259349


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 1.750299
    2 Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 1.886810
    3 Swedish + Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.005315
    4 North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.060384
    5 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Sicilian @ 2.259349
    6 North_Dutch + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.284733
    7 Norwegian + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.299636
    8 Greek_Thessaly + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.343312
    9 Orcadian + Swedish + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.428667
    10 North_Italian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.446513
    11 French + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.447169
    12 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.463567
    13 Norwegian + Swedish + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.473162
    14 Danish + Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.473974
    15 Danish + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.497041
    16 French + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 2.500826
    17 Greek_Thessaly + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.517869
    18 North_Dutch + Swedish + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.538533
    19 Orcadian + Tuscan + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.547293
    20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Tuscan + West_Norwegian @ 2.605905


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    I find the above interesting as the Family Finder stuff at FTDNA suggested I was 14% Jewish Diaspora and 1% East-Asian. It appears the breakdown from Eurogenes suggests otherwise, and I checked to make sure it included such populations (which it does as other people have gotten such).


    ----


    K13:



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 43.17
    2 Baltic 23.81
    3 West_Med 13.16
    4 East_Med 11.09
    5 West_Asian 3.97
    6 Red_Sea 2.34
    7 Siberian 1.35
    8 South_Asian 1.11


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_German @ 4.833794
    2 South_Dutch @ 5.500583
    3 French @ 9.145022
    4 Austrian @ 9.760158
    5 North_German @ 9.880057
    6 Southeast_English @ 9.929676
    7 Danish @ 11.301296
    8 North_Dutch @ 11.625993
    9 East_German @ 11.670313
    10 Orcadian @ 12.119682
    11 Southwest_English @ 12.631271
    12 Irish @ 13.668941
    13 Norwegian @ 13.890860
    14 Hungarian @ 13.899807
    15 West_Scottish @ 13.961719
    16 Swedish @ 14.087857
    17 North_Swedish @ 17.192873
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.544916
    19 Serbian @ 18.136967
    20 Portuguese @ 18.408522

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 4.833794


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tuscan @ 3.606634


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.218193
    2 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.236288
    3 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.237738
    4 Danish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 3.256015
    5 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 3.292192
    6 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.308287
    7 Danish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 3.314966
    8 Ashkenazi + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.315645
    9 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.348068
    10 Ashkenazi + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.356371
    11 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 3.377696
    12 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 3.387819
    13 Ashkenazi + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 3.396068
    14 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 3.400794
    15 North_German + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 3.410882
    16 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 3.413811
    17 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 3.414523
    18 Ashkenazi + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.436810
    19 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.455003
    20 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.455531

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    Here the Ashkenazi pops up again, but only in respect to 4 populations breakdown. Interestingly, result #1 does correspond well with part of my ancestry in Southwest England (Cornwall) and West Germany (Rheinland-Plafz), both of which I have confirmed ancestors, but I've no significant Scottish, and I know of no Jewish, ancestry.

    What should lead to this kind of discrepancy in numbers?

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    Maybe "Tuscan" is equivalent to "Jewish Diaspora" in this case. For some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maybe "Tuscan" is equivalent to "Jewish Diaspora" in this case. For some reason.
    I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maybe "Tuscan" is equivalent to "Jewish Diaspora" in this case. For some reason.
    Yeah, I find that really odd.

    Maybe it's because of um, Near East farmer DNA? Or something? Etruscan DNA being thought of as Jewish, because the Etruscans may have come from the ME/NE earlier?

    I know of no Italian ancestry at all, either.

    Also, see this, the J Test from Eurogenes:

    Jtest 4-Ancestors Oracle

    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    Jtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.78
    2 ATLANTIC 23.26
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.61
    4 WEST_MED 11.21
    5 EAST_EURO 9.44
    6 ASHKENAZI 6.61
    7 EAST_MED 5.42
    8 WEST_ASIAN 3.83
    9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 2.59


    Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
    14 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_&_Central_German @ 6.227730
    2 NL @ 6.952455
    3 Cornish @ 8.114070
    4 English @ 8.188676
    5 AT @ 8.976995
    6 FR @ 8.980113
    7 Orcadian @ 10.005688
    8 DK @ 10.500942
    9 IE @ 10.936235
    10 Scottish @ 11.744516
    11 NO @ 12.337165
    12 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 12.745317
    13 HU @ 15.134824
    14 PT @ 15.531312
    15 North_Swedish @ 15.860636
    16 ES @ 16.671646
    17 Serbian @ 16.963697
    18 North_Italian @ 19.037191
    19 RO @ 19.939255
    20 South_Finnish @ 22.914680

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% AT +50% English @ 4.903502


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English +25% HU +25% PT @ 4.002220


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 AJ + IE + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.434222
    2 AJ + Cornish + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.440924
    3 AJ + IE + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.508435
    4 AJ + Cornish + IE + NO @ 3.532915
    5 AJ + IE + IE + NO @ 3.536074
    6 AJ + Cornish + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.553771
    7 AJ + IE + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.555551
    8 AJ + IE + NO + Orcadian @ 3.571811
    9 AJ + Cornish + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.586040
    10 AJ + English + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.615737
    11 AJ + Cornish + NO + Orcadian @ 3.637308
    12 AJ + Cornish + NO + Scottish @ 3.637961
    13 AJ + IE + NO + Scottish @ 3.647754
    14 AJ + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.648716
    15 AJ + Orcadian + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.651611
    16 AJ + NO + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.670307
    17 AJ + English + IE + NO @ 3.672685
    18 AJ + English + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.677294
    19 AJ + NO + Orcadian + Scottish @ 3.707969
    20 AJ + English + NO + Scottish @ 3.738

    The 4 population thing seems really odd, given that...the Ashkenazi score is 6.00. Which makes me suspect that maybe this is somewhat of a fluke? The Eurogenes said that 2-3 percent is unlikely, whereas 25% is pure Ashkenazi. So uh, maybe I hvae like, a single Jewish ancestor several generations back, or Etruscan (???) is coming up as Jewish?

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    This is my K36 test results:

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 1.72
    Armenian 0.96
    Basque 0.63
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.83
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 4.12
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 2.21
    East_Med 0.30
    Eastern_Euro 4.34
    Fennoscandian 14.20
    French 7.72
    Iberian 12.41
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 13.92
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 1.29
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 13.64
    North_Caucasian 1.67
    North_Sea 13.05
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.06
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 0.70
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.05
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 1.18

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    K12b:

    Population
    Western European 37.34
    Siberian 0.71
    East African 0.53
    West Central Asian 1.04
    South Asian 1.57
    West African -
    Caucasus 7.88
    Finnish 7.61
    Mediterranean 16.03
    Southwest Asian 4.62
    North European 22.03
    East Asian 0.60

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    K9:


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    South Asian 1.74
    Caucasus 7.81
    Southwest Asian 4.58
    North Amerindian + Arctic -
    Siberian 1.09
    Mediterranean 25.91
    East Asian 0.46
    West African 0.29
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    The only MDLP test that I checked that gives me anything related to Ashkenazi:

    MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle

    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 43.58
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 32.75
    3 West-Asian 8.22
    4 Near_East 6.63
    5 North-European-Mesolithic 5.37
    6 Indo-Iranian 1.61
    7 Samoedic 1.04


    Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
    22 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Serbian @ 6.233980
    2 German-South @ 7.127958
    3 Montenegrin @ 7.913583
    4 German_V @ 8.101038
    5 Austrian @ 8.411101
    6 Macedonian @ 8.536514
    7 CEU @ 9.176399
    8 CEU_V @ 9.207612
    9 Hungarian @ 9.243794
    10 Bosnian @ 9.627144
    11 British @ 10.125262
    12 Croatian @ 10.413471
    13 Welsh @ 10.603597
    14 Bulgarian @ 10.927149
    15 Norwegian_V @ 11.023299
    16 Swiss @ 11.257579
    17 Orcadian @ 11.520227
    18 German @ 11.776239
    19 Slovenian @ 11.954774
    20 French @ 12.592409

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bulgarian +50% Norwegian_V @ 2.203369


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian_V +25% Sicilian +25% Ukrainian-West @ 1.070280


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Ashkenazim_V + Norwegian_V + Serbian + Swedish_V @ 0.871361
    2 Hungarian + Sicilian + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 0.980471
    3 CEU_V + German + Sicilian + Swedish_V @ 1.002836
    4 Estonian + Italian-South + Norwegian_V + Provancestralal @ 1.011664
    5 Hungarian + Sicilian + Swedish_V + Swedish_V @ 1.041169
    6 Croatian + Sicilian + Swedish_V + Swedish_V @ 1.046928
    7 Norwegian_V + Sicilian + Slovakian + Swedish @ 1.052170
    8 Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Sicilian + Ukrainian-West @ 1.070280
    9 Ashkenazim_V + Bosnian + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V @ 1.078303
    10 Ashkenazim_V + Norwegian_V + Serbian + Swedish @ 1.098346
    11 German-North + Jew_Francestrale + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.105674
    12 Ashkenazim_V + Croatian + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V @ 1.116461
    13 French + Russian_V + Sicilian + Swedish_V @ 1.129072
    14 Croatian_V + Norwegian_V + Sicilian + Swedish_V @ 1.136503
    15 German + Sicilian + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.163399
    16 Croatian_V + Italian-South + Norwegian_V + Swedish_V @ 1.163537
    17 Ashkenazim_V + Montenegrin + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.163975
    18 German-North + Jew_Francestrale + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.176808
    19 Estonian + Italian-Center + Norwegian_V + Provancestralal @ 1.178942
    20 Estonian + French + Norwegian_V + Sicilian @ 1.186526

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFWR View Post
    Yeah, I find that really odd. Maybe it's because of um, Near East farmer DNA? Or something? Etruscan DNA being thought of as Jewish, because the Etruscans may have come from the ME/NE earlier? I know of no Italian ancestry at all, either.
    Etruscans have nothing to do with Jewish and hardly Tuscans are the same of Etruscans. Jewish diaspora peaks in northern Europeans (Polish?) and Ashkenazis cluster with Southern Italians/Greeks but Ashkenazis have nothing to do with Southern Italians/Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binx View Post
    Etruscans have nothing to do with Jewish and hardly Tuscans are the same of Etruscans. Jewish diaspora peaks in northern Europeans (Polish?) and Ashkenazis cluster with Southern Italians/Greeks but Ashkenazis have nothing to do with Southern Italians/Greeks.
    I have someone say they're a Polish cousin from FTDNA, but I don't know of any actual Polish ancestry. Likewise, I don't know any Italian/Greek ancestry.

    The Tuscan thing is really peculiar. As peculiar as Ashkenazi.

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    # Population Percent
    1 Celto_Germanic 30.22
    2 Paleo_Mediterranean 16.94
    3 East_European 14.88
    4 Iberian 11.05
    5 Balto_Finnic 9.37
    6 Caucasian 8.27
    7 South_Central_Asian 3.05
    8 Paleo_North_European 2.59
    9 Volga_Uralic 1.53
    10 Paleo_Balkanic 1.19


    Finished reading population data. 73 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 GER @ 13.156206
    2 FRN @ 17.416616
    3 BLG @ 24.495422
    4 PRT @ 25.284000
    5 HNG @ 25.656116
    6 CEU @ 25.762783
    7 IBR @ 26.315102
    8 SPN @ 26.500988
    9 GBRWAL @ 28.770025
    10 NITAL @ 29.026623
    11 SLV @ 30.207409
    12 SWD @ 31.426466
    13 GBRKN @ 31.880705
    14 RMN @ 32.459972
    15 CRS @ 32.657539
    16 SLK @ 34.501354
    17 BSN @ 35.151066
    18 CRT @ 35.216248
    19 SRB @ 35.594215
    20 MCD @ 35.817753

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% GBRKN +50% RMN @ 8.896418


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% GBRWAL +25% NRUS +25% SIC @ 3.768662


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 CITAL + ETN + SPN + NRW @ 3.447668
    2 ETN + FRN + GBRARG + SIC @ 3.629551
    3 ETN + FRN + SIC + NRW @ 3.637268
    4 CITAL + ETN + IBR + NRW @ 3.678346
    5 GBRWAL + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 3.768662
    6 CITAL + FRN + GBRARG + NRUS @ 3.825681
    7 ETN + FRN + GBRCORN + SIC @ 3.943223
    8 ETN + FRN + GBRKN + SIC @ 3.961145
    9 CEU + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 3.970389
    10 CEU + GBRKN + NRUS + SIC @ 4.074389
    11 ASHK + ETN + FRN + GBRARG @ 4.087611
    12 GBRKN + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 4.089547
    13 FRN + GBRWAL + NITAL + NRUS @ 4.107175
    14 CEU + FRN + NITAL + NRUS @ 4.150099
    15 ASHK + ETN + GBRORK + SPN @ 4.165143
    16 FRN + GBRORK + GRK + NRUS @ 4.181536
    17 CEU + GBRARG + NRUS + SIC @ 4.224968
    18 ETN + FRN + GBRWAL + SIC @ 4.240028
    19 CITAL + ETN + FRN + GBRKN @ 4.259028
    20 CEU + GBRCORN + NRUS + SIC @ 4.296273

    - I don't know what a lot of these abbreviations mean. Does anyone know what "ETN" means? Estonian?

    Could the Sicily be comparing my genes to Normans in Sicily? All this Italian ancestry really doesn't make much sense.

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    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 46.41
    2 Mediterranean 26.02
    3 East_European 11.54
    4 West_Asian 9.40
    5 Southwest_Asian 4.11


    Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 CEU @ 8.512572
    2 N._European @ 8.855190
    3 German @ 9.965770
    4 Argyll @ 10.387909
    5 Orcadian @ 10.887323
    6 Orkney @ 11.214021
    7 French @ 12.759520
    8 French @ 12.918434
    9 Slovenian @ 13.073295
    10 Mixed_Germanic @ 15.691445
    11 Dutch @ 17.147642
    12 Hungarians @ 17.888056
    13 Kent @ 19.612755
    14 British_Isles @ 21.590166
    15 British @ 21.649841
    16 Cornwall @ 22.203838
    17 Tuscan @ 22.965403
    18 TSI @ 23.264027
    19 Tuscan @ 23.275482
    20 Portuguese @ 23.515041

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Romanians_14 @ 3.494233


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German +25% Norwegian +25% Sicilian @ 1.284449


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Finnish + French + Irish + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.103497
    2 Finnish + French + Irish + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.200113
    3 German + German + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 1.284449
    4 Cornwall + Finnish + French + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.334486
    5 Cornwall + Finnish + French + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.339075
    6 German + Sicilian + Swedish + N._European @ 1.377016
    7 British + Finnish + French + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.377422
    8 FIN + Kent + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.404571
    9 FIN + French + Norwegian + S_Italian @ 1.432832
    10 CEU + Cornwall + FIN + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.437061
    11 German + German + Norwegian + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.445975
    12 FIN + French + Norwegian + S_Italian @ 1.445995
    13 British_Isles + Finnish + French + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.446834
    14 British + CEU + FIN + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.459069
    15 FIN + Kent + Orkney + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.468533
    16 British + Finnish + French + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.480287
    17 British + FIN + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.486652
    18 Hungarians + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 1.487609
    19 Cornwall + FIN + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.495532
    20 Norwegian + O_Italian + N._European + Slovenian @ 1.500524

    Done.

    Elapsed time 0.3914 seconds.


    Dodecad is coming up Italian, too.

    This is puzzling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFWR View Post
    MDLP K=12 4-Ancestors Oracle

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Celto_Germanic 30.22
    2 Paleo_Mediterranean 16.94
    3 East_European 14.88
    4 Iberian 11.05
    5 Balto_Finnic 9.37
    6 Caucasian 8.27
    7 South_Central_Asian 3.05
    8 Paleo_North_European 2.59
    9 Volga_Uralic 1.53
    10 Paleo_Balkanic 1.19


    Finished reading population data. 73 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 GER @ 13.156206
    2 FRN @ 17.416616
    3 BLG @ 24.495422
    4 PRT @ 25.284000
    5 HNG @ 25.656116
    6 CEU @ 25.762783
    7 IBR @ 26.315102
    8 SPN @ 26.500988
    9 GBRWAL @ 28.770025
    10 NITAL @ 29.026623
    11 SLV @ 30.207409
    12 SWD @ 31.426466
    13 GBRKN @ 31.880705
    14 RMN @ 32.459972
    15 CRS @ 32.657539
    16 SLK @ 34.501354
    17 BSN @ 35.151066
    18 CRT @ 35.216248
    19 SRB @ 35.594215
    20 MCD @ 35.817753

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% GBRKN +50% RMN @ 8.896418


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% GBRWAL +25% NRUS +25% SIC @ 3.768662


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 CITAL + ETN + SPN + NRW @ 3.447668
    2 ETN + FRN + GBRARG + SIC @ 3.629551
    3 ETN + FRN + SIC + NRW @ 3.637268
    4 CITAL + ETN + IBR + NRW @ 3.678346
    5 GBRWAL + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 3.768662
    6 CITAL + FRN + GBRARG + NRUS @ 3.825681
    7 ETN + FRN + GBRCORN + SIC @ 3.943223
    8 ETN + FRN + GBRKN + SIC @ 3.961145
    9 CEU + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 3.970389
    10 CEU + GBRKN + NRUS + SIC @ 4.074389
    11 ASHK + ETN + FRN + GBRARG @ 4.087611
    12 GBRKN + GBRWAL + NRUS + SIC @ 4.089547
    13 FRN + GBRWAL + NITAL + NRUS @ 4.107175
    14 CEU + FRN + NITAL + NRUS @ 4.150099
    15 ASHK + ETN + GBRORK + SPN @ 4.165143
    16 FRN + GBRORK + GRK + NRUS @ 4.181536
    17 CEU + GBRARG + NRUS + SIC @ 4.224968
    18 ETN + FRN + GBRWAL + SIC @ 4.240028
    19 CITAL + ETN + FRN + GBRKN @ 4.259028
    20 CEU + GBRCORN + NRUS + SIC @ 4.296273

    - I don't know what a lot of these abbreviations mean. Does anyone know what "ETN" means? Estonian?

    Could the Sicily be comparing my genes to Normans in Sicily? All this Italian ancestry really doesn't make much sense.
    Those numbers after the nationality are measuring "goodness of fit". None of them are very good for you, because you are such a mixture of different ethnic groups, like a lot of Americans.

    People from Europe with all four grandparents from one area can get very good "fits". On some calculators, some northern Europeans can get fits under 1. Italians are much more diverse, but I, for example, get a fit of around 2 on the calculators that have a lot of samples from northern Italy and Tuscany.

    So, you don't have all this "Italian". Look how far down the list it is.

    What is indeed showing up is European Neolithic ancestry, for example, most of which came from the ancient Near East. Everybody in Europe has that to one degree or another, just like everybody in Europe has some CHG, and everybody has WHG, even if it's "buried" in their EEF score.

    You might want to read Lazardis et al:
    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...01552.full.pdf


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    Arabian 1.72
    Armenian 0.96
    Basque 0.63
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.83
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 4.12
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 2.21
    East_Med 0.30
    Eastern_Euro 4.34
    Fennoscandian 14.20
    French 7.72
    Iberian 12.41
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 13.92
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 1.29
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 13.64
    North_Caucasian 1.67
    North_Sea 13.05
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.06
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 0.70
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.05
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 1.18


    ...It seems like Italian might really be part of my ancestry? This is odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Those numbers after the nationality are measuring "goodness of fit". None of them are very good for you, because you are such a mixture of different ethnic groups, like a lot of Americans.

    People from Europe with all four grandparents from one area can get very good "fits". On some calculators, some northern Europeans can get fits under 1. Italians are much more diverse, but I, for example, get a fit of around 2 on the calculators that have a lot of samples from northern Italy and Tuscany.

    So, you don't have all this "Italian". Look how far down the list it is.

    What is indeed showing up is European Neolithic ancestry, for example, most of which came from the ancient Near East. Everybody in Europe has that to one degree or another, just like everybody in Europe has some CHG, and everybody has WHG, even if it's "buried" in their EEF score.

    You might want to read Lazardis et al:
    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...01552.full.pdf
    Very, very, very intriguing!

    Ah, so what is showing up is European Neolithic. That goes hand in hand with H64 as a MDNA haplogroup, no?

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