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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid
    Slavic R1a is generally closer to the Asian branch than it is to the Germanic branch
    You mean the Indo-Iranian branch Z93 ??? Both Z280 and M458 are closer to Z284, than to Z93:

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    Sorry, I can't deal with the shorthand LOL. This tree includes the ethnic affiliations:
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    Slavic R1a is still quite clearly separate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Dinarid,

    If all of the Vikings emigrated from Scandinavia and settled in other countries, then who are their descendants today?

    Modern Scandinavians like Wanderlust are descended from those who were too weak to get on boats and emigrate.
    Wasn't this you?

    I strongly disagree.

    People should work hard and build a better live in their own country. People who escape / emigrate are kind of cowards. If everyone stayed and worked hard to make their own homeland a better place, the whole world would benefit.

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...l=1#post483282

    lol If you're going to argue on the internet, and especially on a messageboard, you really need to be consistent with your views, less they come back to bite you.

    1.) So which is it? Are the people who stay in their home countries strong or cowardly? Are the people who emigrate strong or cowardly? lol

    2.) You know absolutely nothing about my family and therefore, are unfit to speak on us. Unlike you, we're not wannabe Vikings. We actually were Vikings...on both my mom's side (half of her family comes from Orkney/Shetland Islands and used to have significant "clout" a long time ago ) and dad's side (see #3 and pics below). And fortunately/unfortunately, we were pretty good at it--but I don't see raiding, murdering, stealing and selling slaves as virtues. Post-Christianity, we became legit merchants. And were good at it. I come from neverending generations of wanderers, nomads, adventure seekers and world travelers, some of whom had the good sense to come back home and build what I now enjoy. I've lived almost half of my life in other countries but this one, I call home. Word to the wise > don't speak on things of which you know nothing.

    3.) Just a 1,000 year old Viking brooch I keep laying around the house from one of my family's properties (that they've had for centuries) in Västergötland. I got to keep a battered and bruised one (I have a few other goodies as well) but many other better intact artifacts have been donated to the Swedish History Museum or maybe stashed away somewhere. lol Vikings and our love for burial mounds! Jokes, jokes, of course.

    http://imgur.com/lbgb3pD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Dinarid,

    If all of the Vikings emigrated from Scandinavia and settled in other countries, then who are their descendants today?

    Modern Scandinavians like Wanderlust are descended from those who were too weak to get on boats and emigrate.
    Now when it is convenient for you, the emigrants are the brave ones and the natives of the land are the cowards. What happened to the coward emigrants all of the sudden?!
    You changed your point of view within couple of weeks.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I have 4% of Scandinavian and 4% of Balkan, the rest 92% says East European. How boring and ironic for a Citizen of the World, lol.
    Ukrainian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I am reading Saxo Grammaticus, Book VIII of his "Deeds of the Danes":

    https://sites.google.com/site/margre...saxo/ksiega-08

    He describes a battle between Viking kings Harald Hildetand and Sigurd Ring.

    Although most of Viking warlords appear to be Scandinavian, he also mentiones foreigners. While listing individually the most prominent warlords who took part in that battle, he mentions Orm the Englishman...Ubbe the Frisian,...Saxi Flettir who lived along the northern Elbe [Saxon?]...Odd the Englishman,....Harald Hildetand's force was supported by "Slavs, Livonians, and seven thousand Saxons"....
    It's important to consider that the author's concept of who was a "foreigner" and our own perception were not necessarily the same. Nowadays, we usually think in terms of nation-states where a person can be a foreigner despite sharing our own ethnicity. The Germanic middle ages was more a mishmash of minor kingdoms and alliances that came together and broke apart from year to year as situations changed. One can wonder whether a Scandinavian would really have considered an Englishman, Frisian, or German to be a true outsider to his civilization, or whether he would have considered him a slightly odd cousin with a weird way of talking who was still clearly part of the culture.

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