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    In the words of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk:

    "This is Islam, an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives".

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    In words of Mr. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, "the Turk belongs to the best race on this world. The Turk is born to be a Ruler. Happy is the Person who can call himself a Turk. Turkic is the mother of all Human languages (Sun language theory).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

    But at least he was anti Islamic....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    because Erdogan takes controll over the press and the media
    he limits free speech, punishing 'insults'
    he is dividing the country and doesn't respect any human rights
    he is replacing judges and military officers by men of his own environment
    it looks like his ultimate goal is to abolish democracy

    ^This, there is no medial opposition to him anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    In words of Mr. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, "the Turk belongs to the best race on this world. The Turk is born to be a Ruler. Happy is the Person who can call himself a Turk. Turkic is the mother of all Human languages (Sun language theory).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

    But at least he was anti Islamic....
    Exactly! I've actually read YouTube comments (never a good idea, and I'm embarrassed to admit it) from pan-Turkists who literally believe that the Native Americans are all Turks. However, we're dealing with a nation of 75-80 million people, and with a lot of potential, so if that pan-Turkism is strong enough to suppress Islam, then good for it! Unfortunately Erdoğan created a synthesis of pan-Turkism and Islam, and let's not forget Hungary's Jobbik party, which is a weird mixture of neo-nazism, pan-Turkism, Islamophilia, anti-Semitism, and Russophilia/Eurasianism, although I believe the latter is a more recent development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    Exactly! I've actually read YouTube comments (never a good idea, and I'm embarrassed to admit it) from pan-Turkists who literally believe that the Native Americans are all Turks. However, we're dealing with a nation of 75-80 million people, and with a lot of potential, so if that pan-Turkism is strong enough to suppress Islam, then good for it! Unfortunately Erdoğan created a synthesis of pan-Turkism and Islam, and let's not forget Hungary's Jobbik party, which is a weird mixture of neo-nazism, pan-Turkism, Islamophilia, anti-Semitism, and Russophilia/Eurasianism, although I believe the latter is a more recent development.
    Indeed, Erdogan himself is one of them. He claims America was discovered by Muslims before Colombus did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    so if that pan-Turkism is strong enough to suppress Islam, then good for it!
    I think this is how Europe evolved to where it is today. Or maybe not. I just recall Euro being very religious in Medieval, then having a rise of Nationalism and then after both World Wars nationalism gave its way to other ideas.
    Turks are now being pushed back from nationalism to religion, instead of (what you can actually observe with Turkish intelligence) moving on to more progressive state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    interresting words, 'WE NEED'?

    are you a Turk?
    Why I should be! !!! Are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    well as it seems Turkey is moving to civil war,

    by what Hamza hemze the Kurd says
    Turkey's miltary groups have been seen at the mountains as rebels against Erdogan,
    at least 40 helicopters missing etc etc

    at Con/polis Allevi Turks tooks arms and guard the roads of their neighborhoods, since Erdogan's crowd is entering with attacking and hostile feelings
    At Malateia tonight street fights and a kind of war/pogrom is on loose against Allevi and HDP party and kurds

    well this story reminds me 1950's at Turkey and Menteres,
    if Islamist take the power then about 30 000 000 Allevis and Kurds might ask asyllum at EU,

    seems like Erdogan nowdays is playing his last cards,
    either he manage to pass the Sunni Islamic Ottoman empire
    either he will be hanged like Menteres
    17 september is not far
    the first total sunni state was created by Suleigman the magnificent when he killed Grand Vizier Ibrahim pasha, the Greek, and settled the Kadi (sunic law judges and lawers)
    also Allevi Piri Reis and Greek Barbarosa although he sent the last one to Tynissia.

    Erdogan has expelled his 2 early life and carrer friends
    Fetullah Gullen
    and Davutoglu
    in fact like another Suleigman he created a Fetva against Gullen, and he asks his head,
    I think his paths follow the Suleigman paths, or the Menteres steps

    well I still support democracy and the elected goverment at Turkey,
    but I think is time for new elections there.

    to understand more what is happening to Turkey
    look this


    only the man is not Turk, but Morrocan, his name is Redouan Balch,
    now why a morrocan is fighting for Erdogan?
    I do not know, but I can guess,
    What's your point? The Allevi are against Erdogan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    Exactly! I've actually read YouTube comments (never a good idea, and I'm embarrassed to admit it) from pan-Turkists who literally believe that the Native Americans are all Turks. However, we're dealing with a nation of 75-80 million people, and with a lot of potential, so if that pan-Turkism is strong enough to suppress Islam, then good for it! Unfortunately Erdoğan created a synthesis of pan-Turkism and Islam, and let's not forget Hungary's Jobbik party, which is a weird mixture of neo-nazism, pan-Turkism, Islamophilia, anti-Semitism, and Russophilia/Eurasianism, although I believe the latter is a more recent development.
    The latter it's a more recent event because Orban it's inspired by the autocratic rule of Putin

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    I think this is how Europe evolved to where it is today. Or maybe not. I just recall Euro being very religious in Medieval, then having a rise of Nationalism and then after both World Wars nationalism gave its way to other ideas.
    Turks are now being pushed back from nationalism to religion, instead of (what you can actually observe with Turkish intelligence) moving on to more progressive state.
    Nationalism holds the society together, and is thus necessary for social progress.

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    as it seems the last events in turkey are huge

    2750 judges 7500 policemans unknown military numbers, political persons from other parties
    one vice major shot in head, etc etc reminds me the Menteres case at 1950's
    or the kristallnacht, although yet is to early to say such, but i am sure it will turn to that way,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
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    http://shqiperiaime.al/2016/07/16/gr...dur-ne-kosove/

    http://inserbia.info/today/2016/07/organizers-of-coup-in-turkey-are-of-kosovo-albanian-origin-media/



    Few days after the unsuccessful attempt of the Turkish army to take power in the country and overthrow Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the situation in Turkey is not calming down. Streets, where the war between the army on one, police and citizens on the other side, were last night full of people who went outside to support their president. As part of the investigation on the failed military coup so far was arrested 6000 people, more than 9000 police officers and almost 27000 employees from different sectors are dismissed.

    Most military officers who took part in the attempted coup in Turkey are of Albanian origin, report Albanian portals.
    Of the total of 29 arrested generals and colonels 25 are of Albanian origin, among whom former commander of the Turkish Air Force, General Akin Ozturk and Second Army General Huduti Adem, both originating from Kosovo.

    Among the main suspects for the military coup is pilot Yusuf Kurt, who shot down Russian aircraft, and who also originates from the village of Bukoroc near Prizren, Kosovo. One of the organizers of the military coup is also Lt.Gen. Metin Idil, who is also of Albanian origin.
    Albanian portals state that Huduti, before taking command of the Turkish Second Army, commanded troops at the border with Russia and Greece, and was also the head of the Turkish forces in Afghanistan. Huduti was born in Recan, near Prizren, and his family moved to Turkey when he was five, while Ozturk originates from Kosovska Mitrovica.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Alan, you are a Kurd. So, your information is biased.
    This is a sad moment in the modern history of Turkey. A failed putch is good oportunity for a dictator like Erdoğan, to fullfill his Islamic agenda. He is destroying any legacy of Ataturk. I see a Turkey now at the side of Russia and China, against West.
    So speaks the Albanian...

    ...Whose all life is biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    The true and the most desire of Russia, it's the alliance with Turkey. It would be the victory of the century for them. Putin knows well that the enemy isn't Turkey, but USA and NATO. Erdogan's goal it's the revive of Ottoman empire. This will never be allowed by NATO and he knows it. His expansionist ideas fits better with the expansionist ideas of Putin. This will be better for both. Tsar~ Putin alliance.

    Russia doesn't care for Greece and they don't need Greece.
    If you think that Russia fears NATO more than radical Islamism, think again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    So speaks the Albanian...

    ...Whose all life is biased.
    Make sure you engage in conversation, and didn't come just for bashing ethnicities and to start new Balkan war.
    Last edited by LeBrok; 22-07-16 at 05:03.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    The latter it's a more recent event because Orban it's inspired by the autocratic rule of Putin
    I wouldn't be so quick to judge him like that. I think Orbán doesn't bow down to the corrupt Brussels government, and is vilified for this. He has done a great job calling out Islam, and is a staunch supporter of Israel so I don't think Jobbik likes him very much. I agree, however, that it is worrying that he wants closer ties with Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    If you think that Russia fears NATO more than radical Islamism, think again...
    Russia is friends with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a mullah regime. I think it just depends on the kind of radical Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    So speaks the Albanian...

    ...Whose all life is biased.
    Houhoulis, are you the same person with a member in another forum with the nickname Kungullis?
    17 Dec.
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    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.
    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    Russia is friends with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a mullah regime. I think it just depends on the kind of radical Islam.
    When was the last time you heard the Shias sponsoring terrorism anywhere outside Israel, and (perhaps) Yemen?

    Russia doesn't fear NATO. The real worry are asymmetrical attacks, and insurrections like the one in Chechnya. Both Russia and NATO respect each others' playing fields, even while vying to grasp a portion of the others' playing field. Russia would never make the mistake of attacking westwards. It is attacking southwards. NATO would not intervene (at least openly) even in Ukraine, as long as it is not a NATO member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Houhoulis, ...
    Let me remind you who I am:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...ked-to-Britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Now i understand who you are. Now i am sure that you and Kungullis are the same person. There is only a small detail, this other guy Kungullis is a bulgar who live in Greece, meanwhile from your profile i learn that you are a Greek.
    Just for curiosity, attacking Albanians make you happy?

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    I doubt you are capable of understanding anything, and yes, maybe I should update my profile stating that I have partial Bulgarian heritage.

    I'd let the others judge who is attacking whom. In any case, I would like to inform you that I won't be insulted no matter how you call me. I have a really thick skin.

    Furthermore, I am really curious to know why do you consider news items as "attacks". Besides, I have kept all the links and I am capable of discovering new ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    I doubt you are capable of understanding anything, and yes, maybe I should update my profile stating that I have partial Bulgarian heritage.

    I'd let the others judge who is attacking whom. In any case, I would like to inform you that I won't be insulted no matter how you call me. I have a really thick skin.

    Furthermore, I am really curious to know why do you consider news items as "attacks". Besides, I have kept all the links and I am capable of discovering new ones...
    I have no doubt in your skills. You are famous, you are some kind of celebrity.
    What's the point? I have to follow your example and start with the story of sandwich?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    I have no doubt in your skills. You are famous, you are some kind of celebrity.
    What's the point? I have to follow your example and start with the story of sandwich?
    Why don't you do so? I'll debunk it within a few hours at worst, and you'll have a hard time digging anything else upon us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Why don't you do so? I'll debunk it within a few hours at worst, and you'll have a hard time digging anything else upon us.
    Because as i have explained in another post, this is not that kind of forum where an old and lonely man like you spend his long and boring days and nights, trollling teenagers. This is a serious and respected forum. Try to behave as civilised person. If this is difficult for you, well, we will not notice your abssence here.

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