Crime Yet another act of terror in France

Britain is not in chaos.

Teresa May, a Remain supporter like myself, is firmly in control as PM.
 
Back on topic, I'm in favour of greater surveillance of possible terrorist activity on the net and on close-circuit cameras on our streets.

For those who see this as an infringement of their freedoms, please show me where the freedom exists if you don't know if you'll return unharmed from a shopping trip or a ride on public transport.
 
Maleth said:
Two Imams gunned down In Queens. There seems not to be much news about the perpetrator who is suspected to have carried out the crime. It seemed we got much more information with previous similar perpetrators after 3 days of the crime scene, but not much on this one. Just have to wait for more details.
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the new york police caught the guy very recently. the investigation continues but it is very likely hate crime.
 
Dinarid said:
Right, how dare I oppose Islamic imperialism. Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs never asked to live under Islamic occupation, but apparently we're "hateful Islamophobes" for being against it. No, I don't have a very rosy view of Islam, in large part because a good portion of its adherents are virulently opposed to the liberal values you espouse.
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if so, then why did the greeks, serbs and croats lived peacefully under Islamic Ottoman rule for centuries?
 
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Oasis said:
if so, then why did the greeks, serbs and croats live peacefully under Islamic Ottoman rule for centuries?
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what?
who says so?
 
Oasis said:
all the greeks, serbs and croatians I met so far. Besides, the history is a witness to that fact.
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unification before the common enemy.
simply as you post it, i thought you ment that Islamic Ottoman empire was a bless land,
 
oriental said:
Yesterday out of curiosity I watched this video on youtube. I remember watching the "planes" smashing into the Towers on TV and was shocked. But certain things about how the GWB administration handled the debris that made me think a bit. A major crime had been perpetrated but the White House rushed to remove the debris as if to remove all the evidence. There was no effort to store debris in warehouses to analyse what happened which one would expect as is done with an air crash.

This is the video I watched which was produced by a British engineer with no other intent than to get at the truth.
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Good point. some people just can't handle the plain truth.
How come there is not a thread here where we discuss the 9/11 with "evidence"? Or was I not able to find it? I looked for it, at least!
 
The original towers belonged to Orthodox Canadian Jews Reichman Brothers of Toronto. It was designed by a Japanes architect or Japanes American architect. On wind tunnel tests they would collapse. I think he solved the problem by having a stiff outer shell with only 3/8" beams. They were flimsy if might say. These are the two negatives against the towers. Owned by foreigners and flimsy. Who knows. I don't recall any airplanes parts found among the rubble. Maybe I am wrong.
 
Excuse me, are you under the misapprehension that this is a site dedicated to every half baked conspiracy theory in the world? Did someone make you the content Nazi?

Actually, someone did raise the issue. I personally told him it was bunk, concocted by people who know absolutely nothing about what went on that day.

I do know.

I watched it as it happened, in real time.

I know personally and have spoken at great length with people who were in those towers and adjoining buildings, or who watched the crashes, the impact, and the fall of the towers from a block away, who helped with rescue efforts and who sifted through the evidence for years.

Can you say the same?

People who peddle this ****, and especially barely a day after the Memorial should be ashamed of themselves, and much more so if they are U.S. citizens.
 
oriental said:
The original towers belonged to Orthodox Canadian Jews Reichman Brothers of Toronto. It was designed by a Japanes architect or Japanes American architect. On wind tunnel tests they would collapse. I think he solved the problem by having a stiff outer shell with only 3/8" beams. They were flimsy if might say. These are the two negatives against the towers. Owned by foreigners and flimsy. Who knows. I don't recall any airplanes parts found among the rubble. Maybe I am wrong.
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they found only one flight engine which didn't belong to any of the alleged planes crashed into the towers!
 
Oasis said:
they found only one flight engine which didn't belong to any of the alleged planes crashed into the towers!
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End this stupidity! You are welcome to open your own website to post your delusions.
 
Well, this is a first for me and undoubtedly all Americans: an alert on my phone to be on the look out for an Afghan (naturalized U.S. citizen) who is a person of interest in multiple bombings in New York and New Jersey.

Luckily no deaths, but the bomb in Chelsea injured 29 people. This is after a Somali was arrested for stabbing multiple people at a mall in the midwest.

I suppose this is the new normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMDP90qW0E

The FBI and the NYPD have moved very quickly, but it's after the fact, after all.

Everyone is trying very hard to present a united front here, but I, for one, wonder if this ever would have happened if DeBlasio hadn't shut down the surveillance unit which operated not only in New York but in New Jersey, where we have a fairly large Muslim community.
 
these conspiracies happen behind doors, you won't notice very much of it on the streets till you find the bomb

first reaction of DeBlasio wasn't looking in the direction of terror, very correct and decent of him
 
bicicleur said:
these conspiracies happen behind doors, you won't notice very much of it on the streets till you find the bomb

first reaction of DeBlasio wasn't looking in the direction of terror, very correct and decent of him
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I thought, they said it was an act of terror but also said that there was no connection to islamic terrorism at that time, till yesterday.
 
It depends whom you were listening to, and at what time.

DiBlasio, the Mayor, initially was quoted as saying it was an "intentional act", but not terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tm9XMrio98

If you really listen carefully, he was just saying that there was no evidence as of yet that it was terrorism. He got hammered because it was clear to everybody from the pictures in the media of an un-exploded pressure cooker bomb that was found nearby that it was a bombing. Added to that, just a day before pipe bombs were exploded right next door in New Jersey at a military event, and there was a stabbing of multiple people at a Wisconsin mall of a man talking about Islam.

Cuomo, the governor, tried to give him cover by saying that, obviously, setting off bombs is terrorism, but we don't know the kind of terrorism that is behind it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tm9XMrio98

I think public officials have to carefully parse out their words so as not to jump the gun, but also so as not to look ridiculous by being too careful. They probably should say something to the effect that there is no proof as of yet about the motivation behind the bombing, but that given recent events there will, of course, be an investigation as to whether there is a link to radical Muslim extremism.

Otherwise, people are going to start believing that the media and the more far left politicians try desperately to distort the facts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tm9XMrio98
 
We now discover that the perpetrator traveled back and forth to Afghanistan three or four times and changed totally after these visits, growing a beard, wearing traditional clothes, praying multiple times a day, railing against homosexuals and decadent American society.

His behavior was so alarming that two years ago his father called the FBI to say he was a terrorist. At that time the police had been called to the house because he had assaulted his mother and stabbed his father. Perhaps it was because they wouldn't go along with his now radical fundamentalist views?

Unbelievable that the FBI didn't keep an eye on him. This is just like San Bernardino.
 
Surveillance, and online monitoring is key. These western Liberal-Left groups are trying to eliminate such measures in the name of freedom and defense of the guilty (see the Left-Liberal Trudeau government in Canada). I am of the belief that if you are law abiding on the internet (not a terrorist or kiddie porn enthusiast), you should have nothing to fear. I don't fear anything, so bring on the surveillance, the authorities will find the guilty parties soon enough.
 
These people need a dose of reality. This freaking idiot said there was no homosexuality in Afghanistan?

Not only is there homosexuality, but it's not between consenting adult men; it's pedophilia. If he wants to blow somebody up he should have started with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

They should be forced to read "The Kite Runner", too and watch the movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kite_Runner

These are the wages of ignorance.

@Aaron
You're right about the surveillance. Maybe we could start with following up on the actual damn "leads". Does someone have to wear a sign across his forehead announcing his intentions? Police "profile" all the time. There's a whole specialty called "profiling". You can't do law enforcement without it. It's gotten a bad name because of racial politics. If someone travels back and forth to these countries, that should send up a red flag. If someone starts spouting anti-American and pro-ISIS propaganda, that should send up a red flag. If someone reports a person for being a suspected "terrorist", that should send up a red flag. All of that creates a very worrisome "profile". If they need to hire more FBI agents to keep track of these people, then do it. This is so frustrating because our law enforcement people know how to do the job, they're just being prevented from doing it, as any of them would tell you.

Unfortunately, the bus may have already left the station in terms of "internet" use. With the "dark net" now, a lot of these conversations will be untraceable.
 
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have you any idea how many people like that there are in America ?
here they say they monitor every retruned Jihady fighter
but when you know how many of them there are in Belgium, and when you know what manpower is required to controll someone 24/24 and 7/7 you simply know it is impossible

polticians want us to beleive everything is under controll and minimalise the problem
 
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