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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    There is nothing like a Kurd. Kurds are nothing more than a genetic mix of many peoples of the world. Nobody of my family started to claim anything. I am muslim (no not since 1915: I am not an Armenia) and only 11% R1b among the kurds, this is not very much. By the way the Kurds payed taxes to the Arab sheikhs of the Jazira (also my ancestors) until 1918 so the kurds could herd their animals in the ARAB Jazira. My did not start to claim because they were the head of a tribe so it wouldnt make any sence. And one question: You said "wait for your total result", does this mean I will get more to know?
    Arabs are a linguistic group , there are no Genetic arabs except marsh arabs
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs
    the others are yemeni, omani, saudis, bedouins, negevs, jordanians, etc etc who speak arabic
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Hello, I am an Arab (thought to be) from south-eastern Anatolia. My tribe originally came from central Arabia. So after my ordered y-DNA 37 markers test results were finished, they could not determine my y-Haplogroup.
    The result of nevgen.org are:
    The highest probability is haplogroup Q-M346 with a probability of 0,4% and a fitness of 15,82.
    Probability of unsupported subclade is: 99.60%
    After that I wrot familytreedna that I still (a few weeks passed) have not a determined y-DNA haplogroup and so they made a Backbone test. And today I got my haplogroup and it is R-M343 (R1b). So what does this haplogroup say about my ethnicity and about my origins? I have no connections to Central nor Western Europe. So what is behind this result? I would apreciate if one of you experts could help me.
    Haplogroup Probability Fitness
    1 Q M346 0,4 15,82 0,45
    2 R1b (for 67+ markers, try level for R1b-s, 160+ subclades) 0 15,96 0,32
    3 R1a (for 67+ markers, try level for R1a-s, 70+ subclades) 0 10,48 0,22
    4 I2a2a M223 0 7,77 0,19
    5 O2a 0 7,55 0,18
    6 E1b1b 0 7,54 0,21
    7 R2 0 7,46 0,18
    8 R1b V88 0 7,39 0,16
    9 T>PF5633 0 7,01 0,16
    10 N1b 0 6,56 0,12
    11 J1a3-Z1828 0 6,56 0,15
    12 J1a2a1a2 P58 0 5,76 0,12
    13 R1a YP1272 0 5,68 0,09
    who did you test with, which company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    What I wanted to say is that J1-M267 is the original arab paternal haplogroup. And this you can read even on Eupedia itself. While something like this does not exist in the Kurdish people. And stop bring politics in this. By the way when did I ask for the gentics of Arabs? The goal of this thread was not "speaking of the arabic countries and their genetics" but about the result of my y-dna.
    I am not going to debate further who started with the insults but I think it is visible for all how offensive your comment was.

    J1 M267 is not the Arab Haplogroup if you actually did take a look at Eupedia page you would know that. J1 originated on the Iranian Plateau most likely. It expanded into Anatolia and the Caucasus by mesolithic/neolithic. And expanded into the Levant just by Bronze Age.

    the most typical J1 among Arabs is J1c3d (J1 P58) and founder effect. The Proto Semitic Haplogroups are E1b1b M123 and J1 P58. But having those both Haplogroups it doesn't mean you are certanly "Proto Arab" because these Haplogroups are older than any known modern ethnicity and are found also among non Arab groups. But it makes the chances higher of being of Semitic ancestry if you belong to one of those.
    Last edited by Alan; 09-08-16 at 16:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    IMO R1b* was allready in NW Iran some 15 ka. That is the place from where it expanded.
    We need to know subclades.
    Iran_Neo K6 results, note the calculator is just basic K6 , with only the most basic components like Natufian and Iran_Neo. No CHG, EHG or Anatolian_Neo therefore the elevated level of "WHG" because it catches up the Anatolian_Forager (WHG) portion up as such.


    Iron Age Iranian Tepe Hasanlu F38 971-832 BC
    R1b-Y:24376846, N1a3a
    0.01% ASE
    0.00% E_Asian
    51.54% Iran_Neolithic
    37.39% Natufian
    11.00% WHG
    0.07% Sub_Saharan

    A Yezidi Kurdish result
    0.45% ASE
    3.36% E_Asian
    50.36% Iran_Neolithic
    37.88% Natufian
    7.94% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    The Kurdish user MFA
    1.71% ASE
    2.30% E_Asian
    45.77% Iran_Neolithic
    38.08% Natufian
    12.15% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    The blogger MFA pointed out already earlier that Tepe Hasanlu basically looks like a Kurdish sample minus the Steppe admixture.. On PCAs it also plots basically there where you would expect some Kurds to do.
    Last edited by Alan; 09-08-16 at 16:39.

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    J1 originated on the Iranian Plateau most likely.
    So far we have J1 from Upper Paleolithic Georgia (Satsurblia cave), Mesolithic Karelia and Bronze Age Levant. There was no J1 among samples from Iran.

    J1 is not specifically Arabic but Semitic in general. For example Jews also have a lot of J1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    So far we have J1 from Upper Paleolithic Georgia (Satsurblia cave), Mesolithic Karelia and Bronze Age Levant. There was no J1 among samples from Iran.

    J1 is not specifically Arabic but Semitic in general. For example Jews also have a lot of J1.
    We haven't found it yet there true but I expect we will find J1 there. At least J we have there so a J origin in connection with the fact that CHG is basically Iran_Neo with less Basal and more ANE like admixture points to that.

    J1 in Arabs and Semites in general is J1 P58 you probably mean this, there I agree with you. However J1 in general is not common among Arabs. Oonly downstreams of P58 are.
    E1b1b M123 makes more sense for the Proto_Semite Haplogroups since obviously it is the proto Afro_Asiatic Haplogroup and the closer you get to the Proto Semite Urheimat the stronger E1b1b gets. For example in Jordania E1b1b is as strong as J1 P58.

    I think Semites came to existence when E1b1b M123 met J1 P58 in the southern Levant. Of course they also carried smaller percentages of other Haplogroups such as J2, R1b V88 and some other J1 subclades.

    But the core and founder Haplogroups were E1b1b M123 and J1 P58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Arabs are a linguistic group , there are no Genetic arabs except marsh arabs
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs
    the others are yemeni, omani, saudis, bedouins, negevs, jordanians, etc etc who speak arabic
    As I said: My family is whehter Syrian nor Iraqi. My family is from a bedouin tribe if you want to call it like that originally but not nomadic anymore. i made my test on Familytreedna. After my results were completed, they had problems with determining my haplogroup so I used a haplogroup Predictor (the y-str values were finsished already), which said that I am most likely to haplogroup Q. But after the backbone test R1b was declared as my y-DNA haplogroup. What I cant understand is this: I paid 199$ for such a raw determination of my haplogroup. When I click on Ancestral origins, nothing comes up. When I click on Matches nothing comes up.
    -
    Will I get more to know or is this everything wich I get for 199$? The site wanted to make a backbone test but when I go to y-Dna haplotree and scroll down there only stands "Tests Taken

    M343+"
    When I download the snps as csv ad open the file there also only stands:
    "SnpName","Positive","Test"
    "M343","True","Y-HAP-Backbone"
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    Does this mean they didnt even do what I thought I would become?
    When I go on their Learning Center and go on backbone test they say:
    "The following depth of haplogroup prediction or confirmation is guaranteed for all Y-DNA tests."
    SNP Name
    RS ID
    Position
    YCC-Haplogroup
    M91 rs2032651 ChrY:20366926 A-M91
    M181 rs2032599 ChrY:13360948 B-M181
    RPS4Y-711 AKA M130 rs35284970 ChrY:2794854 C-RPS4Y711
    M174 rs2032602 ChrY:13463674 D-M174
    M96 rs9306841 ChrY:20238386 E-M96
    M2 rs3893 and rs9785941 ChrY:12606577 E-M2
    M35.1
    -
    ChrY:20201091 E-M35.1
    M89 rs2032652 ChrY:20376701 F-M89
    M201 rs2032636 ChrY:13536923 G-M201
    M69 rs2032673 ChrY:20353446 H-M69
    M170 rs2032597 ChrY:13357186 I-M170
    M253 rs9341296 ChrY:13532101 I-M253
    P37.2
    -
    ChrY:13001692 I-P37.2
    M223
    -
    ChrY:20176695 I-M223
    M304 rs13447352 ChrY:21159241 J-M304
    M267 rs9341313 ChrY:21151206 J-M267
    M172 rs2032604 ChrY:13479028 J-M172
    M9 rs3900 ChrY:20189645 K-M9
    M20 rs3911 ChrY:20192842 L-M20
    M106 rs2032611 ChrY:20325812 M-M106
    M231 rs9341278 ChrY:13979118 N-M231
    M175 rs2032678 ChrY:14018100 O-M175
    M45 rs2032631 ChrY:20327175 P-M45
    M242 rs8179021 ChrY:13527976 Q-M242
    M3 rs3894 ChrY:17605757 Q-M3
    M207 rs2032658 ChrY:14091377 R-M207
    M173 rs2032624 ChrY:13535818 R-M173
    M198 rs2020857 ChrY:13540146 R-M198
    M269 rs9786153 ChrY:21148755 R-M269
    M124
    -
    ChrY:20223889 R-M124
    M230 rs13447374 ChrY:13540161 S-M230
    M70 rs2032672 ChrY:20353269 T-M70
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    How can I make Gedmatch? I did not bought familyfinder. Are there other methods to do it without paying money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Iran_Neo K6 results, note the calculator is just basic K6 , with only the most basic components like Natufian and Iran_Neo. No CHG, EHG or Anatolian_Neo therefore the elevated level of "WHG" because it catches up the Anatolian_Forager (WHG) portion up as such.


    Iron Age Iranian Tepe Hasanlu F38 971-832 BC
    R1b-Y:24376846, N1a3a
    0.01% ASE
    0.00% E_Asian
    51.54% Iran_Neolithic
    37.39% Natufian
    11.00% WHG
    0.07% Sub_Saharan

    A Yezidi Kurdish result
    0.45% ASE
    3.36% E_Asian
    50.36% Iran_Neolithic
    37.88% Natufian
    7.94% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    The Kurdish user MFA
    1.71% ASE
    2.30% E_Asian
    45.77% Iran_Neolithic
    38.08% Natufian
    12.15% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    The blogger MFA pointed out already earlier that Tepe Hasanlu basically looks like a Kurdish sample minus the Steppe admixture.. On PCAs it also plots basically there where you would expect the Kurds.
    Could you please stop dicussing about Kurds? When did I even ask? And no this is not an insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    As I said: My family is whehter Syrian nor Iraqi. My family is from a bedouin tribe if you want to call it like that originally but not nomadic anymore. i made my test on Familytreedna. After my results were completed, they had problems with determining my haplogroup so I used a haplogroup Predictor (the y-str values were finsished already), which said that I am most likely to haplogroup Q. But after the backbone test R1b was declared as my y-DNA haplogroup. What I cant understand is this: I paid 199$ for such a raw determination of my haplogroup. When I click on Ancestral origins, nothing comes up. When I click on Matches nothing comes up.
    -
    Will I get more to know or is this everything wich I get for 199$? The site wanted to make a backbone test but when I go to y-Dna haplotree and scroll down there only stands "Tests Taken

    M343+"
    When I download the snps as csv ad open the file there also only stands:
    "SnpName","Positive","Test"
    "M343","True","Y-HAP-Backbone"
    -
    Does this mean they didnt even do what I thought I would become?
    When I go on their Learning Center and go on backbone test they say:
    "The following depth of haplogroup prediction or confirmation is guaranteed for all Y-DNA tests."
    SNP Name
    RS ID
    Position
    YCC-Haplogroup
    M91 rs2032651 ChrY:20366926 A-M91
    M181 rs2032599 ChrY:13360948 B-M181
    RPS4Y-711 AKA M130 rs35284970 ChrY:2794854 C-RPS4Y711
    M174 rs2032602 ChrY:13463674 D-M174
    M96 rs9306841 ChrY:20238386 E-M96
    M2 rs3893 and rs9785941 ChrY:12606577 E-M2
    M35.1
    -
    ChrY:20201091 E-M35.1
    M89 rs2032652 ChrY:20376701 F-M89
    M201 rs2032636 ChrY:13536923 G-M201
    M69 rs2032673 ChrY:20353446 H-M69
    M170 rs2032597 ChrY:13357186 I-M170
    M253 rs9341296 ChrY:13532101 I-M253
    P37.2
    -
    ChrY:13001692 I-P37.2
    M223
    -
    ChrY:20176695 I-M223
    M304 rs13447352 ChrY:21159241 J-M304
    M267 rs9341313 ChrY:21151206 J-M267
    M172 rs2032604 ChrY:13479028 J-M172
    M9 rs3900 ChrY:20189645 K-M9
    M20 rs3911 ChrY:20192842 L-M20
    M106 rs2032611 ChrY:20325812 M-M106
    M231 rs9341278 ChrY:13979118 N-M231
    M175 rs2032678 ChrY:14018100 O-M175
    M45 rs2032631 ChrY:20327175 P-M45
    M242 rs8179021 ChrY:13527976 Q-M242
    M3 rs3894 ChrY:17605757 Q-M3
    M207 rs2032658 ChrY:14091377 R-M207
    M173 rs2032624 ChrY:13535818 R-M173
    M198 rs2020857 ChrY:13540146 R-M198
    M269 rs9786153 ChrY:21148755 R-M269
    M124
    -
    ChrY:20223889 R-M124
    M230 rs13447374 ChrY:13540161 S-M230
    M70 rs2032672 ChrY:20353269 T-M70
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    How can I make Gedmatch? I did not bought familyfinder. Are there other methods to do it without paying money?
    IIRC, the backbone test is organised via your project administrator

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    So far we have J1 from Upper Paleolithic Georgia (Satsurblia cave), Mesolithic Karelia and Bronze Age Levant. There was no J1 among samples from Iran.

    J1 is not specifically Arabic but Semitic in general. For example Jews also have a lot of J1.
    marsh arabs have 81,1% of J1

    http://download.springer.com/static/...4332bd7a6f5003

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    Is a Backbone test 100% trustworthy?
    Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to members.bex.net:
    R1b-C.Europe =>50% Q-M242-Group5 =>24% Q-Cluster1 =>7% R1a1-English =>6% R1b-Ub =>5% R1b-North/South 1 =>4% J1-M267 =>1% Q-M242-Main =>1% R1b-S.Irish =>1% R1b-Irish/Continental =>1%

    I am from south-east Anatolia how is this to be interpreted? Q-M242 would make at least sence or J1-M267? But R1b-Central European? I dont know why but I have the feeling that something went wrong: I wrote familytreedna on the 15th July that I still dont have a predicted haplogroup although my results are completed since 8th of July. After that familytreedna ordered a Backbone test for me (for free). The ordered Backbone test wasnt listed on my order history after that. So yesterday I asked them when my Prediction will be finished and I got the answer "It can take a few weeks. I'd expect a haplogroup in approximately a week or two."
    A short time after that (a few minutes later) I looked on my familytreedna page and I got my haplogroup R-M343, on the same day. Also the Backbone test wasnt listed on my order-history until yesterday? Could it be that something went wrong?

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    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Now several times have we mention that your R1b M343 is not Central European it is most frequently found today among Kurds, the Iranian Plateau/Eastern Anatolia and parts of the Caucasus.

    European subclades are more downstream like L51. M343 is not Central European.

    And I am sorry to disappoint you but talking about R1b M343 and your origin in Southeastern Anatolia without mentioning the Kurds is like asking to explain the tides without mentioning the moon or Fire without heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Why are you asking questions if you don't even bother to read the responses?

    Now several times have we mention that your R1b M343 is not Central European it is most frequently found today among Kurds, the Iranian Plateau/Eastern Anatolia and parts of the Caucasus.

    European subclades are more downstream. M343 is not Central European.
    "Haplogroup R1b, also known as haplogroup R-M343, is the most frequently occurring Y chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe," from Wikipedia. From where do you get your facts? I read the whole article and not one times they mention Kurds (anatolian-Kurds). Why do you want to declare me a Kurd?

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    And one time again I post the Kurdish haplogroups:
    J2:23,6%

    E:12,6%
    J1:11,8%
    R1b:11,2%
    R1a:10,6%
    R2:6,9%
    I:6,0%
    T:5,4%
    G:5,0%
    F:2,8%
    L:2,1%
    P:0,9%
    C:0,5%
    H:0,4%
    Q:0,1%
    Please stop declaring me a Kurd . You say to me that I "know nothing about genetics", but you yourself do not even know that R-M343 and R1b are exactly the same thing... How paradox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Now several times have we mention that your R1b M343 is not Central European it is most frequently found today among Kurds, the Iranian Plateau/Eastern Anatolia and parts of the Caucasus.

    European subclades are more downstream like L51. M343 is not Central European.

    And I am sorry to disappoint you but talking about R1b M343 and your origin in Southeastern Anatolia without mentioning the Kurds is like asking to explain the tides without mentioning the moon or Fire without heat.
    Kurdish is only one of many cultures whom absorbed R1b and is even found in all 5 of the worlds religions in some frequency or another, not just the Kurds. Although the Turkish Kurds have the most diverse forms of R1b. This indicates that all of us R1b bearers could have originated in Epipaleolithic SE Turkey.; if Maciamo is correct. At this point, I'm more interested in Raspberry's Geneology at this point.
    Here is the world frequency of R1b https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/neolithic_europe_map.shtml
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#origins

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    @Twillight thank you for posting the map. It is interesting that I am exactly from the are of the first Cattle Horders (9000-7000BCE) and I am even from the same haplogroup (R1b).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Is a Backbone test 100% trustworthy?
    Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to members.bex.net:
    R1b-C.Europe =>50% Q-M242-Group5 =>24% Q-Cluster1 =>7% R1a1-English =>6% R1b-Ub =>5% R1b-North/South 1 =>4% J1-M267 =>1% Q-M242-Main =>1% R1b-S.Irish =>1% R1b-Irish/Continental =>1%

    I am from south-east Anatolia how is this to be interpreted? Q-M242 would make at least sence or J1-M267? But R1b-Central European? I dont know why but I have the feeling that something went wrong: I wrote familytreedna on the 15th July that I still dont have a predicted haplogroup although my results are completed since 8th of July. After that familytreedna ordered a Backbone test for me (for free). The ordered Backbone test wasnt listed on my order history after that. So yesterday I asked them when my Prediction will be finished and I got the answer "It can take a few weeks. I'd expect a haplogroup in approximately a week or two."
    A short time after that (a few minutes later) I looked on my familytreedna page and I got my haplogroup R-M343, on the same day. Also the Backbone test wasnt listed on my order-history until yesterday? Could it be that something went wrong?
    south-east anatolia is not kurdish.............it is the ancient home of the non-semitic Luwian people............this group went south to northern levant and as far as ancient Troy.

    http://luwianstudies.org/the-luwians...e-the-luwians/

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    The luwians populated mostly the western parts of Asia minor and northern syria, but I am from further east..
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    I am from the Diyar Bakr region on the map..

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    "Haplogroup R1b, also known as haplogroup R-M343, is the most frequently occurring Y chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe," from Wikipedia. From where do you get your facts? I read the whole article and not one times they mention Kurds (anatolian-Kurds). Why do you want to declare me a Kurd?
    You don't seem to understand much of genetics.

    M343 is basal to every R1b in this world. Therefore every R1b can be collected under "M343" but they aren't M343 per se but downstream. But yours has most likely been analysed for downstream clades since ftDNA always does that. If you actually read the articles better and not just the headlines and first sentences you would know that.

    If M343 is the Primate species than Humans, Gorillas etc can be called and collected under the term "Primates" but Humans or Gorillas are not the Proto Primates.

    Take a better look at the WIkipedia articles further down it divides M343 further into subclades and there you can see which one are common in Central Europe.

    http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.gif

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    For god´s sake I know that this is the base of every R1b. The thing is that you are the guy who said "Now several times have we mention that your R1b M343 is not Central European it is most frequently found today among Kurds, the Iranian Plateau/Eastern Anatolia and parts of the Caucasus." This where exactly your words and this is the reason why I posted this article from wikipedia because you were the guy who said, that this is typical for Kurds although M343 it is the defining snp of r1b. So dont turn my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    Kurdish is only one of many cultures whom absorbed R1b and is even found in all 5 of the worlds religions in some frequency or another, not just the Kurds. Although the Turkish Kurds have the most diverse forms of R1b. This indicates that all of us R1b bearers could have originated in Epipaleolithic SE Turkey.; if Maciamo is correct. At this point, I'm more interested in Raspberry's Geneology at this point.
    Here is the world frequency of R1b https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/neolithic_europe_map.shtml
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#origins
    Please read my comments and don't build your opinion based on how Rasperry interprets my comments, because obviously he doesn't seem to understand my wording and the science behind it properly. Nowhere did I claim or mentioned that you have to be Kurd to be M343. All I said is that M343 in this part of the world is most common on the Iranian_ Plateau, parts of the Caucasus and especially among the Kurds. So you could be a Persian or Azeri and belong to R1b M343 BUT him being from Southeast Anatolia (Predominantly Kurdish) belonging to M343 which is most typical in that part of the world for Kurds, only let's room for one logical conclusion. That his R1b M343 he inherited most likely from the Kurds there.

    Don't you think this is a reasonable conclusion? Certanly it is more reasonable than a supposed "Bedouin Arab origin".

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    For god´s sake I know that this is the base of every R1b. The thing is that you are the guy who said "Now several times have we mention that your R1b M343 is not Central European it is most frequently found today among Kurds, the Iranian Plateau/Eastern Anatolia and parts of the Caucasus." This where exactly your words and this is the reason why I posted this article from wikipedia because you were the guy who said, that this is typical for Kurds although M343 it is the defining snp of r1b. So dont turn my words.
    Just cut it man, you just don't understand a word. You are interpreting my statement false because your knowledge is too small about this subject. I am not going to waste my time with someone who has no clue about the things he is trying to talk about. Just take your aDNA and try a Gedmatch calculator and don't be too sad and suprised if more Kurdish than Arab turns out in your DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Please read my comments and don't build your opinion on my statements based on how Rasperry interprets them because obviously he doesn't seem to be able to understand my wording and the science behind it properly. Nowhere did I claim or mentioned that you have to be Kurd to be M343. All I said is that M343 in this part of the world is most common on the Iranian_ Plateau, parts of the Caucasus and especially among the Kurds. So you could be a Persian or Azeri and belong to R1b M343 BUT him being from Southeast Anatolia (Predominantly Kurdish) belonging to M343 which is most typical in that part of the world for Kurds, only let's room for one logical conclusion. That his R1b M343 he inherited most likely from the Kurds there.

    Don't you think this is a reasonable conclusion? Certanly it is more reasonable than a supposed "Bedouin Arab origin".
    I will report this.. What is this for an agressive language? I am not able to understand? You never gave an answer to the haplogroups of the kurds, although I posted them several times. And I will do it again:
    J2:23,6%
    E:12,6%
    J1:11,8%
    R1b:11,2%
    R1a:10,6%
    R2:6,9%
    I:6,0%
    T:5,4%
    G:5,0%
    F:2,8%
    L:2,1%
    P:0,9%
    C:0,5%
    H:0,4%
    Q:0,1%
    The most occuring haplogroup of anatolian kurds is J2. The haplogroup K (includes, J1,J2,I) is the big mayority of the Kurds. While haplogroup K (Include r1a,R1b and Q) is big behind them.. Some scientist even declared the Kurds as semitic with indo-european language because of that.

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    Wow mr. "Your ethnicity doesn't exist because there is no Kurd" plays the Victim card.
    Just a tip Mr Raspberry. Next time you Quote an Article read further than just the headlines or the first sentence if you actually did so, it wouldn't be so embarrassing.

    R1b* (R-M343*)

    R1b* – that is, males with M343, but no subsequent distinguishing SNP mutations – is extremely rare. The only population yet recorded with a definite significant proportion of R1b* are the Kurds of southeastern Kazakhstan with 13%.[3][17] However, more recently, a large study of Y-chromosome variation in Iran, revealed R1b* as high as 4.3% among Iranian sub-populations.[18]

    While studies in 2005–08 suggested that R1b* may occur at high levels in Jordan, Egypt and Sudan, subsequent research indicates that the samples concerned most likely belong to the subclade R1b1a2 (R-V88), which is now concentrated among African populations, following back migration from Asia.[19][20][21][22][23] It remains a possibility that some or even most of these cases may be R1b* (R-M343*), R1a* (R-M420*), an otherwise undocumented branch of R1, and/or back-mutations of a marker, from a positive to a negative ancestral state,[24] constituting, in other words, undocumented subclades of R1b. Thus demonstrating the importance of testing for SNPs critical in identifying subclades.




    Europe Y-DNA. Principle puzzles – highlighted areas where the frequency of haplogroups represent more than a third of the gene pool (> 35%)


    A compilation of previous studies regarding the distribution of R1b can be found in Cruciani et al. (2010).[25] It is summarised in the table following. (It should be noted that Cruciani did not include some studies suggesting even higher frequencies of R1b1a1a2 [R-M269] in some parts of Western Europe.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Just a tip Mr Raspberry. Next time you Quote an Article read further than just the headlines or the first sentence if you actually did so, you would not embarrass yourself so much.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b
    Do you know where Kazakhstan lies? It is in central Asia you are the only one embaracing yourself. And I said that nothing stands there about Anatolian-Kurds. And in wich galaxy are you a Kurd? It is like living in Europe and getting E as haplogroup and than saying that you are a Berber.. this is Igenea niveau

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