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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Do you know were Kazakhstan lies? It is in central Asia you are the only one embaracing yourself. And I said that the nothing stand about Anatolian-Kurds.
    Dude read. What kind of thing is it with you that you only read half of the text? It's not the country Kazakhstan it's only the Kurds residing there. The Kurds from Kazakhstan are recent migrants from Eastern Anatolia and NW Iran.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    And one time again I post the Kurdish haplogroups:
    J2:23,6%

    E:12,6%
    J1:11,8%
    R1b:11,2%
    R1a:10,6%
    R2:6,9%
    I:6,0%
    T:5,4%
    G:5,0%
    F:2,8%
    L:2,1%
    P:0,9%
    C:0,5%
    H:0,4%
    Q:0,1%
    Please stop declaring me a Kurd . You say to me that I "know nothing about genetics", but you yourself do not even know that R-M343 and R1b are exactly the same thing... How paradox

    Who declared you to a Kurd for Gods sake? YOu could genetically be 100% Kurd you are still an Arab basically because you identify as such. All I said is that your paternal Haplogroup might come from a Kurdish ancestors. Is that so hard to understand?

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    The Kurds living in Khazakstan were " [Most of the Kurdish population in Kazakhstan were] deported by Stalin from Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia.", wikipedia. Nothing about southeast Anatolia..

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    The Kurds living in Khazakstan are were " Most of the Kurdish population in Kazakhstan were deported by Stalin from Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia.", wikipedia. Nothing about southeast Anatolia..
    Not only from there but also East Anatolia. WIkipedia often doesn't have reliable or even all the sources.

    Here they mention themselves that they come predominantly from the region of Van and Caucasus/NW Iran.

    4:00
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Not only from there but also East Anatolia. WIkipedia often doesn't have all the sources.

    Here they mention themselves that they come predominantly from the region of Van and Caucasus/NW Iran.

    3:50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAMGjADNw_k
    Do you know who Stalin was? Anatolia never belonged to the soviet union. And I am embaracing my self and I am not able to understand? The most of Khazakistan Kurds are deported there by Stalin.

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    I am not a fan of Stalin. Did I claim anything else? You sound like I said anything that would praise him. Nevermind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Stalin was a mass murderer. Did I claim anything else? You sound like I said anything that would praise him. Nevermind...
    Lets dont talk about politics. You are moving this to a fully different thread. Are there any possibilities to find out further information without paying money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Please read my comments and don't build your opinion based on how Rasperry interprets my comments, because obviously he doesn't seem to understand my wording and the science behind it properly. Nowhere did I claim or mentioned that you have to be Kurd to be M343. All I said is that M343 in this part of the world is most common on the Iranian_ Plateau, parts of the Caucasus and especially among the Kurds. So you could be a Persian or Azeri and belong to R1b M343 BUT him being from Southeast Anatolia (Predominantly Kurdish) belonging to M343 which is most typical in that part of the world for Kurds, only let's room for one logical conclusion. That his R1b M343 he inherited most likely from the Kurds there.

    Don't you think this is a reasonable conclusion? Certanly it is more reasonable than a supposed "Bedouin Arab origin".
    Again, I am just reiterating, Kurdish although numerous is only one culture that has absorbed R1b. But if we are going to really convince Raspberry that he is truly part Kurd we should at least soften the mental blow for him to get to know the possible Kurdish ancestors so I'm giving Raspberry the benefit of the doubt until he has enough financial will to take an another Ydna test. Simply having a Ydna R1b is just too little information to go by and I'd rather rely on Geneology at this point. There's no doubt that a Kurdish ancestor may have "gone Mulan" and assimilated him/herself by intermarrying with a Bedouin (maybe an ancestor living in the 19th or 18th century?) but it's hard to say weather that's the case for his direct ancestors just by YDNA alone.

    I'm sorry to say this but can we just have Raspberry a chance to learn in a environment for learning? I prefer not to add fuel to the fire.

    Anyways, I'm afraid I'm not sure if there is any way to solve this mystery until he buys a auDNA test. I can try to desipher the Y37 code but it'll take a couple of hours of long looking to find something that matches Rsspberry's results.
    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Lets dont talk about politics. You are moving this to a fully different thread. Are there any possibilities to find out further information without paying money?
    Anyways, do you have a Geneology tree put together? If so do you know who your direct paternal ancestors are; father's father's father's father's.........? Is there any chance that those names can be listed with each ancestors birth town?; it's okay to leave out living relatives ;). Perhaps we could narrow down what Arabized culture your surname came from Origionaly that way.
    Last edited by Twilight; 10-08-16 at 09:17.

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    Searching by surnames is not a really good way to search in Turkey because after the foundation of the Turkish Republic, all citizens had to choose a Turkish name. If they did not choose a Turkish name, the regional Wali assigned a surname for you. So this means I have a Turkish surname, while my ancestors have an arabic nisba. When I say I am from Bedouin Arab origin, I do not mean that my ancestors were nomadic. As far as I know my ancestors came from central Arabia (Najd), during a time were no state existed in Central Arabia. There were many migration waves of the Arabs to Anatolia, pre-islamic (7th. century), as well as after the muslim-arab conquest of norhtern mesopotamia (8th century). I do only know my paternal ancestors until my fathers grandfather but I do not know his name. I only know the name until my grandfathers father.

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    It seems that Ydna has been mixing for thousands of years, before religions were invented and before borders were established (which is a very recent thing) and different type of cultures were established. When people were mixing they did not think much of their origins and did it out of economic opportunities, or sheer necessity out of cataclysmic scenarios. People just either strive to literally survive (staying alive) or simply add to their economic gain. I am not sure why any Ydna or Mtdna for that matter should rise any controversy. Its going to be very difficult to know when a particular haplogroup entered a current population. Sometimes its even difficult with a deep test. I would say no point in stressing too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    It seems that Ydna has been mixing for thousands of years, before religions were invented and before borders were established (which is a very recent thing) and different type of cultures were established. When people were mixing they did not think much of their origins and did it out of economic opportunities, or sheer necessity out of cataclysmic scenarios. People just either strive to literally survive (staying alive) or simply add to their economic gain. I am not sure why any Ydna or Mtdna for that matter should rise any controversy. Its going to be very difficult to know when a particular haplogroup entered a current population. Sometimes its even difficult with a deep test. I would say no point in stressing too much.
    I do not even know, how I can belong to R1b. The beginning of my markers : 13,24,15,10,13 is exactly the same like the most people who belong the the haplogroup T but not R1b..
    If I compare my str values to an R1b Arab from Saudi Arabia:
    9 23 15 11 13-14 11 12 12 14 13 30 18 9-9 11 12 25 14 19 32 12-12-15-15
    My values are: 13,24,15,10,13-13,12,13,12,12,13,28,15,9-9,11,11,27,14,17,28,14-14-16-17 etc.
    nearly all values are different by me.. There are people from Western europe with whom I share the beginning but not much is same.
    A Bahraini R1b Arab:
    13 24 15 10 11-13 12 12 11 14 14 30 15 9-9 11 11 26 14 19 33 12-14-15-16
    13,24,15,10,13-13,12,13,12,12,13,28,15,9-9,11,11,27,14,17,28,14-14-16-17 (my values for comparisson)

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    My values compared to a Libyan Bedouin J-ZS5010
    13 23 14 11 13-13 11 17 11 13 11 30 18 8-9 11 11 26 14 20 25 12-14-16-17

    My values:13,24,15,10,13-13,12,13,12,12,13,28,15,9-9,11,11,27,14,17,28,14-14-16-17
    As you can see the last 8 markers are nearly the same. (markers can mutate some are more usual to mutate some less.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    I do not even know, how I can belong to R1b.
    I bet it will be same with your autosomal DNA. So before you declare yourself a genetic Arab from Arabian Paninsula wait for full DNA test. I bet you will be shocked and humbled.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I bet it will be same with your autosomal DNA. So before you declare yourself a genetic Arab from Arabian Paninsula wait for full DNA test. I bet you will be shocked and humbled.
    Will I get more to know or why should I wait for my full DNA Test? By the way I am not shocked about this. I just said that R1b people have really different str-values than me.. Dont get me wrong: I have no problem with belonging to R1b but it is weird that my values are not similar to R1b people. I have 0 matches and no region of Origin on familytreedna. I asked why it is like that and the answer was because I am "unique"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Will I get more to know or why should I wait for my full DNA Test? By the way I am not shocked about this. I just said that R1b people have really different str-values than me.. Dont get me wrong: I have no problem with belonging to R1b but it is weird that my values are not similar to R1b people. I have 0 matches and no region of Origin on familytreedna. I asked why it is like that and the answer was because I am "unique"..
    Perhaps these sites can help you, these websites might have a sale especially when it gets close to Holidays. I've been satisfied with getting tested on these sites. ^_^

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    https://www.23andme.com

    Full Ancestry
    http://dna.ancestry.com
    www.gedmatch.com (You can transfer raw data from 23andme.com to get your gedmatch results)

    But it's up to you :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    Perhaps these sites can help you, these websites might have a sale especially when it gets close to Holidays. I've been satisfied with getting tested on these sites. ^_^

    Ydna/mtdna
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    Full Ancestry
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    www.gedmatch.com (You can transfer raw data from 23andme.com to get your gedmatch results)

    But it's up to you :)
    Thank you :), if I would get a refunding on Familytreedna I would do it probably there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Will I get more to know or why should I wait for my full DNA Test? By the way I am not shocked about this. I just said that R1b people have really different str-values than me.. Dont get me wrong: I have no problem with belonging to R1b but it is weird that my values are not similar to R1b people. I have 0 matches and no region of Origin on familytreedna. I asked why it is like that and the answer was because I am "unique"..
    Y DNA it is only 2% of your DNA. Don't you want to know about the rest 98% of yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Thank you :), if I would get a refunding on Familytreedna I would do it probably there.
    youre welcome, good luck on your results :)

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    Raspberry, Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor actually predicts you as R1a with 99.8% probability:

    http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

    I copied-pasted your STR string where it says "Input string" in the link below, and clicked "Submit":

    http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm

    Here is your STR string (according to what you posted, but maybe there are some mistakes here?):

    13,24,15,10,13-13,12,13,12,12,13,28,15,9-9,11,11,27,14,17,28,14-14-16-17,11,11,23-23,15,16,17,16,35-36,13,11

    Screenshot:

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    But Jim Cullen's Haplogroup Predictor, predicts you as either R1b or Q - screenshot below:

    http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm

    https://s10.postimg.org/dbfi3ipnt/screenshot2.png


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    Yes I know. I posted also my results from this website earlier in this thread. If you press again on the haplogroup prediction the percentages change again.. Why is it like that? you can also try it out: just leave the values as they are and press again on "Haplogroup Prediction".
    I did exactly the same and the result was :
    Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
    R1b-C.Europe =>50% Q-M242-Group5 =>24% Q-Cluster1 =>7% R1a1-English =>6% R1b-Ub =>5% R1b-North/South 1 =>4% J1-M267 =>1% Q-M242-Main =>1% R1b-S.Irish =>1% R1b-Irish/Continental =>1%
    By the way nevgen said that I am haplogroup q with a probability of 0,4% and 99,4 was unsupported subclade.. R1b probability was 0%
    hrpg.PNG
    This are hprg´s results.. Also haplogroup Q is predicted.. 36 fitness seems very low to me..

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    You have to make mit manually on hrpg´s site otherwise it doesnt work. Hrpg says that I belong to haplogroup q. And what is also weird on HRPG´s predictor site is: if I choose Europe as my location it says that I belong the R1b and if I choose mediterranean as region it says haplogroup Q..
    Here a screenshot of nevgens result:
    nevgen.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Y DNA it is only 2% of your DNA. Don't you want to know about the rest 98% of yourself?
    I know.. But I bought mt-dna full sequence and y-dna 37 makers... The mt-dna results are delayed for the second time already and I dont think they will finish the results this century anymore. So as you see I spent a lot of money and did not get any answers and not what I wanted. The sad thing is that I cant use any of the features of familytreedna.. No matches in the database and this is the reason why I have also no ancestral origin available.. A r1b backbone test would cost 99$ also family finder.. Family finder is so bad.. They have middle eastern as a ethnicity, so this shows me the niveau of Familyfinder.. I mean why should I do it if I do not will know from wich ethnicity of the middle east I am ..

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    My maternal haplogroup is back the result is: H is it common among Arabs from the Arabia peninsula?
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    I was about to suggest you to look over to your matches if one of them took a SNP pack (their haplogroup will be in green). In that case, you could have assumed you shared the same subclade, but you have no match...

    You are a special snowflake, that's as much as we can tell. With R1a and R1b being the most likely haplogroup, you could even be R1* for all we know or a new branch, let's say, R1k. I would suggest you to join some R1b project and ask help from the admin there. Anyway it's way too soon to say your ancestor on your y-line weren't Arabs, R1b have been around Middle East for millennia. You could be the first from an Arabia R1b line to be tested (hence no match). Haplogroup in Middle East can be really ancient.

    About Family Finder, it's in sold right now at US$ 69. But don't get too hyped over the result, which ever they may be, it isn't an exact science yet.

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    You are making me hope Yes I joined to group, lets look what will happen.
    Last edited by raspberry; 11-08-16 at 02:10.

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