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[Salento]

@Angela
I was using the Rule of Thumb..
In the same way the % Ratio of South/East Europe vs South/West Europe could determines Iberian, Italian, and Greek shifted ancestry.

 

[Angela]

@Angela
I was using the Rule of Thumb..
In the same way the % Ratio of South/East Europe vs South/West Europe could determines Iberian, Italian, and Greek shifted ancestry.

I don't see how that would be a very accurate way of determining Ashkenazi ancestry. It might just be a higher percentage of "east Med" than in other Europeans which could have arrived at numerous periods in history.

It certainly didn't come from Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazim are a bottlenecked population which didn't form until at the earliest around 1000 AD, and they formed in Central Europe and/or Eastern Europe. They have nothing to do with Italians. There's no situation where they could have impacted the genomes of Italians. You'd be more likely to find some of their ancestry in Eastern Europe than in Italy. The impact of Italian ancestry on the Ashkenazim is a different story.

 

[Salento]

I don't see how that would be a very accurate way of determining Ashkenazi ancestry. It might just be a higher percentage of "east Med" than in other Europeans which could have arrived at numerous periods in history.

It certainly didn't come from Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazim are a bottlenecked population which didn't form until at the earliest around 1000 AD, and they formed in Central Europe and/or Eastern Europe. They have nothing to do with Italians. There's no situation where they could have impacted the genomes of Italians. You'd be more likely to find some of their ancestry in Eastern Europe than in Italy. The impact of Italian ancestry on the Ashkenazim is a different story.

All of that is true, and I agree with you.
My last post wasn’t about establishing Ashkenazim.

 

[davef]

Actually reading the average k-13 scores for Ashkenazim, the Red Sea is pretty low, just under 6 percent. The strongest components are East Med followed by West Med. Imo eurogenes k36 and the j-test belong in the garbage

 

[Salento]

Actually reading the average k-13 scores for Ashkenazim, the Red Sea is pretty low, just under 6 percent. The strongest components are East Med followed by West Med. Imo eurogenes k36 and the j-test belong in the garbage

The Goal is to establish some way to differentiate real AJ / fake AJ in the Oracles results of Europeans.
Read last sentence of Post #195

 

[davef]

23andme does that best. ^

 

[HaSofer]

What is strange to me is for example my dna in dodecad k7 compared to my brothers.

So although we have almost the same results, he gets way more Jewish while i get Italian instead.
I also dont know how reliable the dodecad k7 test is to get information about jewish dna.
For me as a newby it just shows that its aparently not so easy to seperate mediterranean people in regards to dna.

my results in dodecad k7:

#	Population	Percent
1	Atlantic_Baltic	71.58
2	Southern	15.06
3	West_Asian	11.62
4	Siberian	1.6
5	African	0.14

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Hungarians (Behar)	3.45
2	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	3.76
3	German (Dodecad)	4.23
4	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	4.47
5	Kent (1000Genomes)	5.09
6	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	5.19
7	French (HGDP)	5.38
8	Dutch (Dodecad)	5.49
9	English (Dodecad)	5.5
10	French (Dodecad)	5.78
11	British (Dodecad)	6.81
12	British_Isles (Dodecad)	7.06
13	Irish (Dodecad)	7.16
14	Argyll (1000Genomes)	7.52
15	Orcadian (HGDP)	7.67
16	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	8.14
17	Orkney (1000Genomes)	8.28
18	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	9.02
19	Polish (Dodecad)	10.39
20	Norwegian (Dodecad)	10.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1		75.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	24.2%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	@	0.43
2		71.9%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	28.1%	Tuscan (HGDP)	@	0.43
3		65.3%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	34.7%	Valencia (1000Genomes)	@	0.44
4		67.8%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	32.2%	Aragon (1000Genomes)	@	0.48
5		71.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	28.2%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	@	0.53
6		82.7%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	17.3%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	@	0.53
7		70.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	29.7%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	0.54
8		80.1%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	19.9%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	0.59
9		65.9%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	34.1%	Cantabria (1000Genomes)	@	0.59
10		70.8%	French (HGDP)	+	29.2%	Russian (Dodecad)	@	0.6
11		79.6%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	20.4%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	0.61
12		79.2%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	20.8%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	0.61
13		62.9%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	37.1%	Cataluna (1000Genomes)	@	0.63
14		80.1%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	19.9%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	0.64
15		70.5%	French (HGDP)	+	29.5%	Russian_B (Behar)	@	0.66
16		82.7%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	17.3%	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	@	0.69
17		68.1%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	31.9%	Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes)	@	0.7
18		62.8%	French (HGDP)	+	37.2%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	@	0.72
19		68%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	32%	Spanish (Dodecad)	@	0.76
20		61.7%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	38.3%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	@	0.79

and my brothers results on dodecad k7:

#	Population	Percent
1	Atlantic_Baltic	68.25
2	Southern	15.21
3	West_Asian	13.99
4	Siberian	1.41
5	South_Asian	0.53
6	African	0.32
7	East_Asian	0.28

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Hungarians (Behar)	1.21
2	French (HGDP)	5.98
3	French (Dodecad)	6.56
4	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	6.76
5	German (Dodecad)	7.09
6	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	7.77
7	Dutch (Dodecad)	8.1
8	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	8.26
9	Kent (1000Genomes)	8.42
10	English (Dodecad)	8.86
11	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	9.43
12	British (Dodecad)	10.11
13	British_Isles (Dodecad)	10.32
14	Irish (Dodecad)	10.33
15	Argyll (1000Genomes)	10.38
16	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	10.56
17	Orcadian (HGDP)	10.78
18	Orkney (1000Genomes)	11.44
19	Polish (Dodecad)	12.66
20	Cataluna (1000Genomes)	13.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1		73%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	27%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	0.36
2		82.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	17.7%	Druze (HGDP)	@	0.4
3		81.7%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	18.3%	Lebanese (Behar)	@	0.43
4		73%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	27%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	0.49
5		98.4%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.6%	Mozabite (HGDP)	@	0.51
6		83%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	17%	Samaritians (Behar)	@	0.51
7		98.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.9%	Moroccan (Dodecad)	@	0.51
8		98.4%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.6%	Moroccans (Behar)	@	0.52
9		98.2%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.8%	Algerian (Dodecad)	@	0.53
10		72.4%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	27.6%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	0.59
11		98.8%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.2%	Ethiopians (Behar)	@	0.6
12		98.8%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.2%	Ethiopian_Jews (Behar)	@	0.61
13		76.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	23.5%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	@	0.61
14		95.7%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	4.3%	Canarias (1000Genomes)	@	0.61
15		71.8%	Swedish (Dodecad)	+	28.2%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	0.62
16		94.5%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	5.5%	Portuguese (Dodecad)	@	0.63
17		98.9%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	1.1%	Somali (Dodecad)	@	0.66
18		66.3%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	33.7%	North_Italian (HGDP)	@	0.67
19		63.7%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	+	36.3%	North_Italian (HGDP)	@	0.67
20		51.9%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	+	48.1%	Romanians (Behar)	@	0.68

 

[HaSofer]

It will be interesting to see your ydna line[Western or Eastern R1b- if it is related to the tribes that sculptured these burial markers.

Yes i ordered an snp test on ftdna. I heard that many Sefardim are in the R1B Haplogroup. Others say its a convert lineage.

 

[Salento]

23andme does that best. ^

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[Silesian]

Yes i ordered an snp test on ftdna. I heard that many Sefardim are in the R1B Haplogroup. Others say its a convert lineage.

With regard to the age of R1b to the North of Caucasus on the Steppe--
Here is ph2ter latest G25 PCAEurasian detailed G25 PCA with moderns and ancients, group names only:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6hhnssodpqn9zu/G25.png?dl=0

You can see the distance between Ma_1>24k+/-[MA-1 is the only known example of Y-DNA R* (R-M207*) – that is, the only member of haplogroup R* that did not belong to haplogroups R1, R2 or secondary subclades of these. ] and Khvalynsk Enolithic5K+/-{R1b-L754+]
Incredible that both Steppe samples of R+R1b[even after 24000+/- years]plot closer to Yamnaya-R1b-Z2103+ [-Samara/Afansievo/Karagesh] than the Hajji Firuz R1b sample[age to be carbon dated verified] from Iran-which also has a small component of percent of Northern Steppe admixture.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6hhnssodpqn9zu/G25.png?dl=0

 

[Tomenable]

It certainly didn't come from Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazim are a bottlenecked population which didn't form until at the earliest around 1000 AD, and they formed in Central Europe and/or Eastern Europe.

The scholarly consensus is that they formed in the Rhineland, which is in Western Europe.

From there, they were gradually expelled to Central/Eastern Europe a few centuries later.

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Edit:

I mean the bottleneck was in the Rhineland. They could actually form even back in Italy.

 

[KingKhalasi]

idk, this is a pretty weird test. it gives me super off percentages XD

 

[Jovnna]

West Eurasian 100%	Northwest European 72%
Northeast European 17%	North Slavic 8.9%
Finnish 7.7%
South/Central European 6.2%
Southwestern European 5.4%

West Eurasian 100%	Northwest European 72%
Northeast European 17%	North Slavic 8.9%
Finnish 7.7%
South/Central European 6.2%
Southwestern European 5.4%

 

[Jovnna]

I did an autosomal DNA kit with AncestryDNA and they sent my results back which seems pretty normal the usual British, north west Europe and Irish but I uploaded my raw DNA to the following:

DNA.Land I got 7.7 % ancestry from Finland
wegene 25% Finland/northwest Russia
gedmatch 4 to 8% Finland with saami swede

but Ancestry DNA says 0%

whats happening do I have Finnish DNA or not?
Focusing on Finland because it stood out on the other tests plus I don't have any clue who my granddad was. His name wasn't even put on my Dads birth certificate.

 

[Jovnna]

Sorry for just posting right in there Im going crazy now. Thanks for your time reading my post. J

 

[hrvclv]

Hi, Jovnna. Let me be clear from the outset : I am no geneticist, and often get just as confused by some results as you seem to be right now.

Here's what I think anyway... My hunch is that DNA Land use Finland as some proxy for some share of ancient European Hunter-Gatherer DNA that has remained comparatively unaltered in our genomes over the millenia - some "basal WHG", if you wish.

I am from central France, and get 5.1% Finnish in their breakdown.

My Portuguese son-in-law gets 8.8% Finnish !!

For both of us, something labelled "South Baltic" or even "Scandinavian" might make sense, with the Suebi ending up in Braga, and the Burgundians and Wisigoths settling my own area. But Finnish ?? It hardly makes any sense, either historically or genealogically. So it has to be understood otherwise, "prehistorically", no doubt.

Just hypotheses. I'll be glad if someone knows better, and explains.

 

[kirrun]

Hei Jovnna!

My advise: Make account to MyHeritage, no need to buy from there new test, you may upload your Ancestry raw data there and soon you'll see whom you share your genes. So did i and got a lot of Finnish relatives. Try!

 

[Angela]

Hi, Jovnna. Let me be clear from the outset : I am no geneticist, and often get just as confused by some results as you seem to be right now.

Here's what I think anyway... My hunch is that DNA Land use Finland as some proxy for some share of ancient European Hunter-Gatherer DNA that has remained comparatively unaltered in our genomes over the millenia - some "basal WHG", if you wish.

I am from central France, and get 5.1% Finnish in their breakdown.

My Portuguese son-in-law gets 8.8% Finnish !!

For both of us, something labelled "South Baltic" or even "Scandinavian" might make sense, with the Suebi ending up in Braga, and the Burgundians and Wisigoths settling my own area. But Finnish ?? It hardly makes any sense, either historically or genealogically. So it has to be understood otherwise, "prehistorically", no doubt.

Just hypotheses. I'll be glad if someone knows better, and explains.

Fwiw, I think you're exactly right.

@Kirrun,
I haven't got results for either this or MyHeritage, but since that seems to give Iberians lots of Eastern European I'm doubtful it will be any less confusing.

If people want to know what they actually are because for some reason they don't know, then my advice would be to take 23andme. They say it goes back 500 years, probably to cover themselves, but probably it goes back at least 1000 to 13-1400 years at least going by the minority ancestry that shows up.

If you want to know ancient ancestry someone is going to have to produce a publicly available test based on ancient samples.

 

[Jovnna]

OK thankyou all for your contribution in helping me out

 

[Jovnna]

Hi just to add I found two 3rd cousins from Finland, four 3rd cousins from Sweden and 16 from the Netherlands so I guess its there but few people. Thanks again