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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
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    I think DNA Land called it "South European". Balkan is Albanian + Bulgarian + Greek, and South/Central European is Bergamo + Tuscan, isn't that right?

    @Sile
    51%!? It's really hard to believe in such number, especially if we consider DNA Land is based on modern people. Besides, don't you think odd a Venetian being closer to Balkan than to Bergamo? Likely the link you mentioned helps to explain the result, but it would be still a bad result, imo, even if Bessica/Bessega (where a grandfather of my mother had roots) has been colonized by "Bessoi" soldiers in Roman times. :)
    Btw, the Balkan cluster exists also in 23andMe, and my mother gets between 7 and 8% there (version 4). Well, it seems to me there are sufficient evidences (see also previous posts) showing DNA Land "have much room for improvement", as davef says. :)
    Just read a result for a south italian; he scored about 50% Ashkenazi/Levantine so yes there's room!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    @Angela
    I think DNA Land called it "South European". Balkan is Albanian + Bulgarian + Greek, and South/Central European is Bergamo + Tuscan, isn't that right?

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    51%!? It's really hard to believe in such number, especially if we consider DNA Land is based on modern people. Besides, don't you think odd a Venetian being closer to Balkan than to Bergamo? Likely the link you mentioned helps to explain the result, but it would be still a bad result, imo, even if Bessica/Bessega (where a grandfather of my mother had roots) has been colonized by "Bessoi" soldiers in Roman times. :)
    Btw, the Balkan cluster exists also in 23andMe, and my mother gets between 7 and 8% there (version 4). Well, it seems to me there are sufficient evidences (see also previous posts) showing DNA Land "have much room for improvement", as davef says. :)
    Bessoi "Roman" troops are from Bessi Thracian tribe on the modern border of Bulgaria and Greece. Many Bessi fled other Thracian tribes to seek help by Rome.

    You should know the history of Bessica, a frazione of the town of Loria in Veneto ..............I seen this story as my mother's line is directly north of Loria in San Zenone.

    BTW There are 3 women of Loria that married into my uncles ( mothers line ) .............................If you privately send me your surname , I will ask my mother
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    Balkans..................what does balkans represent in genetics.

    Some have Romania and Slovenia in the Balkans and some exclude them as part of the Balkans ................I have yet to see what is Genetics Balkans

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    Personally, I wouldn't take too seriously DNA-LAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    mine is below

    West Eurasian 100% South European 58% South/Central European 39%
    Balkan 19%
    Northwest European 27%
    Sardinian 8.4%
    Ambiguous 3.5%
    North Slavic 3%
    Eurogenes has North_italian markers ( most likely the last calculator to use them apart from Mdlp23

    mine below

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 29.88
    2 West_Med 22.94
    3 East_Med 17.23
    4 Baltic 17.04
    5 West_Asian 8.44
    6 Red_Sea 2.34


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 6.760091
    2 Tuscan @ 10.795969
    3 Romanian @ 11.411736
    4 Bulgarian @ 12.733378
    5 Portuguese @ 12.821866
    6 Serbian @ 12.969690
    7 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.613523
    8 Spanish_Galicia @ 13.654930
    9 Greek_Thessaly @ 14.260424
    10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 14.529769
    11 Spanish_Murcia @ 15.000357
    12 Spanish_Valencia @ 15.101360
    13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.240896
    14 Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.292781
    15 French @ 15.305198
    16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 16.560854
    17 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.069130
    18 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.566936
    19 West_Sicilian @ 17.631674
    20 Southwest_French @ 18.649832


    and


    MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Early_Farmers 29.03
    2 Caucasian 27.88
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.56
    4 South_Central_Asian 5.03
    5 Near_East 4.22
    6 North_African 4.16
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.18
    8 Melano_Polynesian 0.75
    9 South_Indian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 2.33
    2 German-Volga ( ) 7.59
    3 South_German ( ) 8.16
    4 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.46
    5 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 9.88
    6 Austrian ( ) 9.97
    7 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.27
    8 Belgian ( ) 11.31
    9 Frisian ( ) 11.49
    10 Dutch ( ) 12.02
    11 North_German ( ) 12.38
    12 Hungarian ( ) 12.9
    13 Slovenian ( ) 12.94
    14 Irish ( ) 13.31
    15 Serb_Serbia ( ) 13.33
    16 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 13.61
    17 English ( ) 13.62



    The fabricated story by someone on my German-Volga link is that it is Balkar people who are a mix of Avars and Bulgars ( who where around the south Volga area ).......I doubt this, but I am unsure

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Just read a result for a south italian; he scored about 50% Ashkenazi/Levantine so yes there's room!
    What, did Sikelliot pull another "exotic" southern Italian set of results out of his hat? It must be like Nanny's bag in Mary Poppins; it's never empty, always something more to pull out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AivZSC9J3Rs

    Why don't any of these people ever post their own results, or contact an actual Italian? If you do come into contact with them, tell them we'd love to speak to them here, in Italian or dialect as they prefer, and find out how much they know about all four of their grandparents.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm sure you know better than I do. I don't pay very much attention to these things any more. Really, it's only ancient dna and how it proves or disproves archaeology and ancient history that interests me.

    What I do know is that on Kurd's calculator with no Bergamo or Tuscan reference samples, I always come out as someone from the Balkans, usually Bulgarian or Albanian or something in the top two.

    Cavalli-Sforza pointed out forty years ago that northern Italians are close to the people of the northern Balkans (not Greeks). That's old hat. However, a calculator that tells me I'm Bulgarian is useless because I'm not. On any calculator with Bergamo and Tuscan samples I'm right between them. When the "North Italy" sample from Piemonte is included, I'm closest to them. Obviously, calculators with those reference samples are better at "placing" me.

    This dividing Europe into "clusters" is fraught with difficulty, especially in southern Europe. DNA Land has obviously aggregated those alleles which northern Italians share with Balkan peoples, and includes them in the Balkans cluster or labels them as "Balkan". If they created a "Northern Italian" cluster of those shared north Italian/Balkan genes and called them north Italian, people in the Balkans would get big North Italian percentages. One isn't more "right" than another.
    That makes a lot of sense. So DNA Land should try something like a "Broadly South", like in 23andMe. In fact, the way it is now, without this kind of label, I would say neither the "Northwest European" percentage could be much higher - or even higher - than the "South/Central European" (Bergamo + Tuscan) percentage, in our context.
    The same here: in Gedmatch, when "North Italy" and/or "Tuscan" are present, most of times they're the first populations in my oracle. MDLP K13's seems the best.

    What I do know is that northern Italians are not Bulgarians, and Tuscans are not Albanians, even if they might place relatively near each other on a PCA plot or they share some alleles. Yes, they were equally impacted by certain population migrations, but on the other hand, there are definite differences in terms of which "northern" or central European groups affected them, as just one example. Northern Italians got more from the "Celts" and the "Germanics", although the Balkans got some. On the other hand, the Balkans got more influence from the "Slavs", and even in some cases from the Central Asiatics. So, they're not the same people, and any calculator that gives that impression isn't any good.

    Obviously, we know that someone from the Veneto should be closer to someone from Bergamo or Brescia than to someone from Bulgaria.
    Perfect!

    Oh, Genographic is another example. Do they still cluster Italians and Greeks together? That's bound to give a whole different set of percentages.

    No, I don't think these programs and calculators are very useful other than for telling you how typical you are for your specific place and time. National borders have been too fluid in Europe and there's been too much moving around. They're not going to be able to tell me the only other things that would interest me, such as how much "Roman", or Etruscan, or Celt, or Lombard I am, although the ones based on ancient samples can tell me pretty accurately how Anatolian Neolithic I am, or steppe herder, or WHG, so maybe with enough ancient samples someday we'll get calculators that could do this. Of course, we would have to prepare to be disappointed in that case. I'm going to be really bummed out if I have no Etruscan in me, for example, given that I've been studying them and romanticizing them since I was in university.
    I have always been curious about the migrations around the world, and naturally even more about the migrations to North Italy from other lands in the past centuries or millennia. Doing the tests, besides helping research somehow, find relatives etc., I would have at least an idea about how these migrations affected me, how close or how far in genetic sense I am from a given people or person, with Italian/Venetian background or not, and stuff like that. My interest on genetics in general was born on the way, and it was a plus. :) Particularly, I think the tests provided a satisfactory notion on that, but, like you, I want more, of course. It would be really amazing if it was possible to calculate how much Etruscan we are, for example. Yes, someday...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Bessoi "Roman" troops are from Bessi Thracian tribe on the modern border of Bulgaria and Greece. Many Bessi fled other Thracian tribes to seek help by Rome.

    You should know the history of Bessica, a frazione of the town of Loria in Veneto ..............I seen this story as my mother's line is directly north of Loria in San Zenone.

    BTW There are 3 women of Loria that married into my uncles ( mothers line ) .............................If you privately send me your surname , I will ask my mother
    I have two ggggg-grandparents from San Zenone, related to the Bessica's branch. heheh I'm going to send you a message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Balkans..................what does balkans represent in genetics.

    Some have Romania and Slovenia in the Balkans and some exclude them as part of the Balkans ................I have yet to see what is Genetics Balkans
    Specifically in DNA Land:

    Balkan
    Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece
    Does not include: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Belarusian in Belarus; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/Bergamo and Toscani in (Bergamo and 2 other sites) Italy; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Aydin, Balikesir and Istanbul) Turkey; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

    South/Central European
    Includes: Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy
    Does not include: Albanian in Albania; Basque/French in France; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 2 other sites) Italy and Lithuanian in Lithuania

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    What, did Sikelliot pull another "exotic" southern Italian set of results out of his hat? It must be like Nanny's bag in Mary Poppins; it's never empty, always something more to pull out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AivZSC9J3Rs

    Why don't any of these people ever post their own results, or contact an actual Italian? If you do come into contact with them, tell them we'd love to speak to them here, in Italian or dialect as they prefer, and find out how much they know about all four of their grandparents.
    Great movie! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Just read a result for a south italian; he scored about 50% Ashkenazi/Levantine so yes there's room!
    Southern Italy fit into Mediterranean Islander cluster while Ashkenazi have their own cluster too.
    Sicilians and mainlander Southern Italian phenotype galleries.

    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/1111/Re-Groups-of-Sicilians
    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/375/Southern-italians-how-we-really-look

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Early_Farmers 29.03
    2 Caucasian 27.88
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.56
    4 South_Central_Asian 5.03
    5 Near_East 4.22
    6 North_African 4.16
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.18
    8 Melano_Polynesian 0.75
    9 South_Indian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 2.33
    2 German-Volga ( ) 7.59
    3 South_German ( ) 8.16
    4 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.46
    5 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 9.88
    6 Austrian ( ) 9.97
    7 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.27
    8 Belgian ( ) 11.31
    9 Frisian ( ) 11.49
    10 Dutch ( ) 12.02
    11 North_German ( ) 12.38
    12 Hungarian ( ) 12.9
    13 Slovenian ( ) 12.94
    14 Irish ( ) 13.31
    15 Serb_Serbia ( ) 13.33
    16 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 13.61
    17 English ( ) 13.62



    The fabricated story by someone on my German-Volga link is that it is Balkar people who are a mix of Avars and Bulgars ( who where around the south Volga area ).......I doubt this, but I am unsure
    German-Volga comes out also in the results of this woman from Asiago Altopiano, high plateau northwest of Vicenza, Veneto, North-East Italy.


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 3.53
    2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 8.08
    3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.21
    4 German-Volga ( ) 9.9
    5 Serb_Serbia ( ) 10.55
    6 Austrian ( ) 10.69
    7 South_German ( ) 10.84
    8 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 10.96
    9 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 11.15
    10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 12.21
    11 Slovenian ( ) 12.22
    12 Hungarian ( ) 12.35
    13 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 12.43
    14 Montenegrian ( ) 12.49
    15 Kosovar ( ) 12.56
    16 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.63
    17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.21
    18 Maltese ( ) 13.71
    19 Bulgarian ( ) 13.86
    20 Serb_BH ( ) 14.01

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    What's up with these hierarchys? For example south/Central Europe breaks down into Tuscany and north italy and Balkans breaks down into Albania, Bulgaria, med islander breaks down into Sicily, Malta, Cyprus etc.My confusion stems from the fact that Sicily and Cyprus, as an example are clearly differnt genetically so why are they grouped into the same category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    What's up with these hierarchys? For example south/Central Europe breaks down into Tuscany and north italy and Balkans breaks down into Albania, Bulgaria, med islander breaks down into Sicily, Malta, Cyprus etc.My confusion stems from the fact that Sicily and Cyprus, as an example are clearly differnt genetically so why are they grouped into the same category?
    Indeed, that's a nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    German-Volga comes out also in the results of this woman from Asiago Altopiano, high plateau northwest of Vicenza, Veneto, North-East Italy.


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 3.53
    2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 8.08
    3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.21
    4 German-Volga ( ) 9.9
    5 Serb_Serbia ( ) 10.55
    6 Austrian ( ) 10.69
    7 South_German ( ) 10.84
    8 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 10.96
    9 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 11.15
    10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 12.21
    11 Slovenian ( ) 12.22
    12 Hungarian ( ) 12.35
    13 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 12.43
    14 Montenegrian ( ) 12.49
    15 Kosovar ( ) 12.56
    16 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.63
    17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.21
    18 Maltese ( ) 13.71
    19 Bulgarian ( ) 13.86
    20 Serb_BH ( ) 14.01
    Thanks, Many asiago people settled there after WW2 due to Tito want of italians to leave dalmatia and istria

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    My results (I'm native to Greater Poland):

    North Slavic 55%
    Northwest European 36%
    South European 9,5%:
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    By comparison here is an Austrian guy native to Lavanttal:


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    # Population Percent

    1 NE_European 63.87
    2 Mediterranean 23.07
    3 Caucasian 8.62
    4 SW_Asian 2.75

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population(source) Distance

    1 Polish 2.06
    2 Swedish 4.03
    3 Norwegian 6.35
    4 North_German 6.79
    5 Belarusian 7.58
    6 Slovenian 7.94
    7 Scottish 8.18
    8 Austrian 8.36
    9 Orcadian 8.57
    10 Irish 8.96
    11 Russian 9.03
    12 Hungarian 9.25
    13 Mordovian 9.39
    14 English 9.55
    15 Karelian 10
    16 Finnish 11.06
    17 Lithuanian 11.07
    18 Croatian 11.26
    19 Utahn_White 12.85
    20 South_German 13.53

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

    1 55.3% Irish + 44.7% Lithuanian @ 1.31
    2 97.2% Polish + 2.8% Lezgin @ 1.32
    3 97.1% Polish + 2.9% Chechen @ 1.37
    4 97.3% Polish + 2.7% Balkar @ 1.37
    5 97.5% Polish + 2.5% North_Ossetian @ 1.38
    6 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Abkhasian @ 1.39
    7 97.4% Polish + 2.6% Kumyk @ 1.4
    8 98% Polish + 2% Georgian @ 1.41
    9 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Armenian @ 1.5
    10 97.7% Polish + 2.3% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.5
    11 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Iranian @ 1.52
    12 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Azerbaijani @ 1.52
    13 98% Polish + 2% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.53
    14 97.9% Polish + 2.1% Assyrian @ 1.54
    15 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Kurdish @ 1.55
    16 97.7% Polish + 2.3% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.56
    17 97.4% Polish + 2.6% Nogai @ 1.57
    18 98.3% Polish + 1.7% Makrani @ 1.61
    19 98.1% Polish + 1.9% Druze @ 1.63
    20 90% Polish + 10% Croatian @ 1.64

    Least-squares method:

    Using 1 population approximation:

    1 Polish @ 2.238746
    2 Swedish @ 4.368013
    3 Norwegian @ 6.937643
    4 North_German @ 7.445572
    5 Belarusian @ 8.280502
    6 Slovenian @ 8.800512
    7 Scottish @ 8.935552
    8 Austrian @ 9.235437
    9 Orcadian @ 9.406956
    10 Russian @ 9.506400
    11 Irish @ 9.863779
    12 Mordovian @ 9.869370
    13 Hungarian @ 10.260476
    14 English @ 10.468441
    15 Karelian @ 10.544641
    16 Finnish @ 11.698936
    17 Lithuanian @ 12.190455
    18 Croatian @ 12.493614
    19 Utahn_White @ 14.122682
    20 South_German @ 14.882483

    Using 2 populations approximation:

    1 50% Lithuanian +50% Irish @ 1.767380

    Using 3 populations approximation:

    1 50% Lithuanian +25% Scottish +25% Serbian @ 1.412848

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Irish @ 1.370878
    2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Scottish + Serbian @ 1.412848
    3 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Croatian @ 1.493977
    4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_German + Serbian @ 1.495193
    5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + Utahn_White @ 1.532534
    6 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Hungarian + Utahn_White @ 1.532589
    7 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Serbian @ 1.536387
    8 Lithuanian + Polish + Polish + Croatian @ 1.536519
    9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Utahn_White + Croatian @ 1.539768
    10 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + South_German @ 1.546338
    11 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Hungarian @ 1.549488
    12 Lithuanian + Polish + North_German + Slovenian @ 1.554888
    13 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.589559
    14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Irish + South_German @ 1.594764
    15 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Slovenian @ 1.595171
    16 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Scottish + Croatian @ 1.604715
    17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + English + Croatian @ 1.607019
    18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Irish + Utahn_White @ 1.607358
    19 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Serbian @ 1.614269
    20 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Austrian @ 1.632150

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    African 72%:
    West African 29%
    Lower Niger Valley 16%
    Senegal River Valley 8.2%
    Mende/Akan 4%
    East African 24%
    North African 19%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    My results (I'm native to Greater Poland):

    North Slavic 55%
    Northwest European 36%
    South European 9,5%:
    a) Balkan 8,2%
    b) South/Central Euro 1,3%
    What are the reference populations for north-western European component at DNA.Land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    What are the reference populations for north-western European component at DNA.Land?
    Here are the reference populations:

    North Slavic:

    Belarusian in Belarus; Estonian in Estonia; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Mordovian and Russian in Russia and Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine

    Northwest European:

    Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands

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    South/Central European:

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    This are my results :


    a.jpg


    But these results don't make any sense. So called 'Central Indoeuropean' is to broad. Why is the Iranian Plateau integrated within Northern Caucasus (Maykop/Yamnaya)? I'm 100% sure that my DNA is linked much more to the Iranian Plateau (the original Urheimat of PIE, Leyla Tepe), than to the secondary PIE homeland in Northen Caucasus, Yamnaya. Therefore my Indo-Iranian component is way to low and 'Central Indoeuropean' is to high, while Indo-Iranian is actually native and originally from an area between Kurdistan and Western Iran.
    I have more 'Gedrosia' component, than 'Northern Caucasus' component. But this result doesn't show that.


    b.jpg


    So, I don't agree with the results!!
    Last edited by Goga; 19-09-16 at 22:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    This are my results :





    But these results don't make any sense. So called 'Central Indoeuropean' is to broad. Why is the Iranian Plateau integrated within Northern Caucasus (Maykop/Yamnaya)? I'm 100% sure that my DNA is linked much more to the Iranian Plateau (the original Urheimat of PIE, Leyla Tepe), than to the secondary PIE homeland in Northen Caucasus, Yamnaya. Therefore my Indo-Iranian component is way to low and 'Central Indoeuropean' is to high, while Indo-Iranian is actually native and originally from an area between Kurdistan and Western Iran.
    I have more 'Gedrosia' component, than 'Northern Caucasus' component. But this result doesn't show that.








    So, I don't agree with the results!!
    Finally your delusion of being some sort of pure race unravels. OMG, you have two major components and what with the Arab and Jew "contamination" and some others?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Finally your delusion of being some sort of pure race unravels. OMG, you have two major components and what with the Arab and Jew "contamination" and some others?
    Don't be silly

    You would really look at any % under 5 ?

    He is indo-iranian into central european

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Don't be silly

    You would really look at any % under 5 ?

    He is indo-iranian into central european
    They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

    Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

    1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


    I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

    Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

    1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


    I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!
    the bulk of kurds should be non-semitic people who originate north of the zargos mountains

    try this company and see what you get

    https://www.wegene.com/en/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

    Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

    1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


    I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!
    I wouldn't be so sure about that, Abraham from Genesis came from the Mesopotamian city of Ur. You're Ashkenazi ancestry could have just as easily been a proxy for Mesopotamian ancestry or maybe assimilated European migrants into Kurdistan. I Mtdna J1c7a is a popular Jewish mtdna but I'm not of Jewish ancestry and according to Maciamo, mtdna J1c is Paleolithic Balkan.

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