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What's up with these hierarchys? For example south/Central Europe breaks down into Tuscany and north italy and Balkans breaks down into Albania, Bulgaria, med islander breaks down into Sicily, Malta, Cyprus etc.My confusion stems from the fact that Sicily and Cyprus, as an example are clearly differnt genetically so why are they grouped into the same category?
Indeed, that's a nonsense.
 
German-Volga comes out also in the results of this woman from Asiago Altopiano, high plateau northwest of Vicenza, Veneto, North-East Italy.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_North ( ) 3.53
2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 8.08
3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.21
4 German-Volga ( ) 9.9
5 Serb_Serbia ( ) 10.55
6 Austrian ( ) 10.69
7 South_German ( ) 10.84
8 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 10.96
9 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 11.15
10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 12.21
11 Slovenian ( ) 12.22
12 Hungarian ( ) 12.35
13 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 12.43
14 Montenegrian ( ) 12.49
15 Kosovar ( ) 12.56
16 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.63
17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.21
18 Maltese ( ) 13.71
19 Bulgarian ( ) 13.86
20 Serb_BH ( ) 14.01

Thanks, Many asiago people settled there after WW2 due to Tito want of italians to leave dalmatia and istria
 
My results (I'm native to Greater Poland):

North Slavic 55%
Northwest European 36%
South European 9,5%:
a) Balkan 8,2%
b) South/Central Euro 1,3%

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By comparison here is an Austrian guy native to Lavanttal:

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Here are my puntDNAL K15 Admixture Proportions:

AdmixResults (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 NE_European 63.87
2 Mediterranean 23.07
3 Caucasian 8.62
4 SW_Asian 2.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population(source) Distance

1 Polish 2.06
2 Swedish 4.03
3 Norwegian 6.35
4 North_German 6.79
5 Belarusian 7.58
6 Slovenian 7.94
7 Scottish 8.18
8 Austrian 8.36
9 Orcadian 8.57
10 Irish 8.96
11 Russian 9.03
12 Hungarian 9.25
13 Mordovian 9.39
14 English 9.55
15 Karelian 10
16 Finnish 11.06
17 Lithuanian 11.07
18 Croatian 11.26
19 Utahn_White 12.85
20 South_German 13.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 55.3% Irish + 44.7% Lithuanian @ 1.31
2 97.2% Polish + 2.8% Lezgin @ 1.32
3 97.1% Polish + 2.9% Chechen @ 1.37
4 97.3% Polish + 2.7% Balkar @ 1.37
5 97.5% Polish + 2.5% North_Ossetian @ 1.38
6 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Abkhasian @ 1.39
7 97.4% Polish + 2.6% Kumyk @ 1.4
8 98% Polish + 2% Georgian @ 1.41
9 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Armenian @ 1.5
10 97.7% Polish + 2.3% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.5
11 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Iranian @ 1.52
12 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Azerbaijani @ 1.52
13 98% Polish + 2% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.53
14 97.9% Polish + 2.1% Assyrian @ 1.54
15 97.8% Polish + 2.2% Kurdish @ 1.55
16 97.7% Polish + 2.3% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.56
17 97.4% Polish + 2.6% Nogai @ 1.57
18 98.3% Polish + 1.7% Makrani @ 1.61
19 98.1% Polish + 1.9% Druze @ 1.63
20 90% Polish + 10% Croatian @ 1.64

Least-squares method:

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Polish @ 2.238746
2 Swedish @ 4.368013
3 Norwegian @ 6.937643
4 North_German @ 7.445572
5 Belarusian @ 8.280502
6 Slovenian @ 8.800512
7 Scottish @ 8.935552
8 Austrian @ 9.235437
9 Orcadian @ 9.406956
10 Russian @ 9.506400
11 Irish @ 9.863779
12 Mordovian @ 9.869370
13 Hungarian @ 10.260476
14 English @ 10.468441
15 Karelian @ 10.544641
16 Finnish @ 11.698936
17 Lithuanian @ 12.190455
18 Croatian @ 12.493614
19 Utahn_White @ 14.122682
20 South_German @ 14.882483

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% Lithuanian +50% Irish @ 1.767380

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Lithuanian +25% Scottish +25% Serbian @ 1.412848

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Irish @ 1.370878
2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Scottish + Serbian @ 1.412848
3 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Croatian @ 1.493977
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_German + Serbian @ 1.495193
5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + Utahn_White @ 1.532534
6 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Hungarian + Utahn_White @ 1.532589
7 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Serbian @ 1.536387
8 Lithuanian + Polish + Polish + Croatian @ 1.536519
9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Utahn_White + Croatian @ 1.539768
10 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + South_German @ 1.546338
11 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Hungarian @ 1.549488
12 Lithuanian + Polish + North_German + Slovenian @ 1.554888
13 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.589559
14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Irish + South_German @ 1.594764
15 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Slovenian @ 1.595171
16 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Scottish + Croatian @ 1.604715
17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + English + Croatian @ 1.607019
18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Irish + Utahn_White @ 1.607358
19 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Serbian @ 1.614269
20 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Austrian @ 1.632150
 
This is my Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 Baltic 25.41
2 North_Sea 22.25
3 Atlantic 19.65
4 Eastern_Euro 18.22
5 West_Asian 6.36
6 West_Med 5.35
7 East_Med 2.70
 
African 72%:
West African 29%
Lower Niger Valley 16%
Senegal River Valley 8.2%
Mende/Akan 4%
East African 24%
North African 19%

West Eurasian 27%:
Arab/Egyptian 24%
Ambiguous 1.7%
Kalash 1.2%

Amazonian 1%​





 
What are the reference populations for north-western European component at DNA.Land?

Here are the reference populations:

North Slavic:

Belarusian in Belarus; Estonian in Estonia; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Mordovian and Russian in Russia and Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine

Northwest European:

Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands

Balkan:

Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece

South/Central European:

Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy
 
This are my results :


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But these results don't make any sense. So called 'Central Indoeuropean' is to broad. Why is the Iranian Plateau integrated within Northern Caucasus (Maykop/Yamnaya)? I'm 100% sure that my DNA is linked much more to the Iranian Plateau (the original Urheimat of PIE, Leyla Tepe), than to the secondary PIE homeland in Northen Caucasus, Yamnaya. Therefore my Indo-Iranian component is way to low and 'Central Indoeuropean' is to high, while Indo-Iranian is actually native and originally from an area between Kurdistan and Western Iran.
I have more 'Gedrosia' component, than 'Northern Caucasus' component. But this result doesn't show that.


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So, I don't agree with the results!!
 
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This are my results :

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But these results don't make any sense. So called 'Central Indoeuropean' is to broad. Why is the Iranian Plateau integrated within Northern Caucasus (Maykop/Yamnaya)? I'm 100% sure that my DNA is linked much more to the Iranian Plateau (the original Urheimat of PIE, Leyla Tepe), than to the secondary PIE homeland in Northen Caucasus, Yamnaya. Therefore my Indo-Iranian component is way to low and 'Central Indoeuropean' is to high, while Indo-Iranian is actually native and originally from an area between Kurdistan and Western Iran.
I have more 'Gedrosia' component, than 'Northern Caucasus' component. But this result doesn't show that.


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So, I don't agree with the results!!
Finally your delusion of being some sort of pure race unravels. OMG, you have two major components and what with the Arab and Jew "contamination" and some others?
 
Finally your delusion of being some sort of pure race unravels. OMG, you have two major components and what with the Arab and Jew "contamination" and some others?

Don't be silly

You would really look at any % under 5 ?

He is indo-iranian into central european
 
Don't be silly

You would really look at any % under 5 ?

He is indo-iranian into central european
They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!
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They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!
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the bulk of kurds should be non-semitic people who originate north of the zargos mountains

try this company and see what you get

https://www.wegene.com/en/
 
They call it Central INDOeuropean, mio caro amico.

Actually, I thought I would be more 'Semitic'. My own prediction was that Kurds in general would have between 5 -10 % Semitic DNA in them (yeah, from ancient Jews of Babylon, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Egyptians (from the Mitanni era), modern Arabs etc.).

1.8 % Arab/Egyptian + 1.5 % Ashkenazi = 3.3 % Semitic. It is LESS than I thought!


I don't have any Jewish ancestors. Dnal.land is a Jewish site. So that so called 1,5% Ashkenazi component is a Jewish conspiracy against me and Iranians in general!
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I wouldn't be so sure about that, Abraham from Genesis came from the Mesopotamian city of Ur. You're Ashkenazi ancestry could have just as easily been a proxy for Mesopotamian ancestry or maybe assimilated European migrants into Kurdistan. I Mtdna J1c7a is a popular Jewish mtdna but I'm not of Jewish ancestry and according to Maciamo, mtdna J1c is Paleolithic Balkan.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that, Abraham from Genesis came from the Mesopotamian city of Ur. You're Ashkenazi ancestry could have just as easily been a proxy for Mesopotamian ancestry or maybe assimilated European migrants into Kurdistan. I Mtdna J1c7a is a popular Jewish mtdna but I'm not of Jewish ancestry and according to Maciamo, mtdna J1c is Paleolithic Balkan.
Hebrew is native to the Levant, but the name of their God YAHWEH has either Mesopotamian or Hurrian roots.

The only ancient 'European' migrants I can think about are East Iranian speaking Sarmato/Alanians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans ) from the Pontic Steppe. Scythians/Sarmato-Alanians helped the Medes (direct ancestors of the Kurds) to defeat the Assyrians. Maybe that's why there is some Steppe ancestry in Kurdistan +also some Y-DNA hg. I2a. But maybe those Scythians/SAKA were from Central Asia, I don't know.
Also, not sure about the origin of the legendary Cimmerians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians ), but Cimmerians had at least the Iranian leadership and helped the Medes (Kurds) to defeat the Armenians/Urartu. Cimmerians together with some Medes eventually settled down in Cappadocia and in Commagene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Commagene

" The cultural identity of the Kingdom of Commagene has been variously characterized. Pierre Merlat suggests that the Commagenian city of Doliche, like others in its vicinity, was "half Iranianized and half Hellenized". "




My mtDNA is HV1b2. HV1b2 has North West Asian roots. Family of my mother has nothing to do with the Jews. Many, many Ashkenazi Jews do belong to this mtDNA haplogroup. Also many Jews have Iranic Y-DNA R1a-Z93.

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.nl/2013/10/hv1b2-discovered-among-yezidi-kurd.html



Some say that Ashkenazi-Levite Jews have Iranian roots, from the Parthian era. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire )


http://kurdishdna.blogspot.nl/2012/07/ashkenazi-jews-and-their-iranian-origin.html

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.nl/2013/12/ashkenazi-levite-jews-and-their-iranian.html
 
The only ancient 'European' migrants I can think about are East Iranian speaking Sarmato/Alanians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans ) from the Pontic Steppe. Scythians/Sarmato-Alanians helped the Medes (direct ancestors of the Kurds) to defeat the Assyrians. Maybe that's why there is some Steppe ancestry in Kurdistan +also some Y-DNA hg. I2a. But maybe those Scythians/SAKA were from Central Asia, I don't know.
Also, not sure about the origin of the legendary Cimmerians ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians ), but Cimmerians had at least the Iranian leadership and helped the Medes (Kurds) to defeat the Armenians/Urartu. Cimmerians together with some Medes eventually settled down in Cappadocia and in Commagene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Commagene

" The cultural identity of the Kingdom of Commagene has been variously characterized. Pierre Merlat suggests that the Commagenian city of Doliche, like others in its vicinity, was "half Iranianized and half Hellenized". "
But then again Sarmato-Alans had Iranian Plateau 'deep-roots' and their Y-DNA was not I2a at all, but J1, J2, G2a and Iranian R1a-Z94.

https://www.academia.edu/7061155/Аф...ологии_Северного_Кавказа._М._2014._С._312-315
https://www.academia.edu/15713987/А...ма_современной_археологии._М._2015._С.146-153


NOT native to the Steppes at all..

" In a study conducted in 2014 by V.V. Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 10 Alanic burials on the Don River, DNA could be abstracted from a total of 7. 4 of them turned out as belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 of them had mtDNA I. The fact that many of the samples share the same y- and mtDNA raises the possibility that the tested individuals belonged to the same tribe or even were close relatives. Nevertheless, this is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2 either.[54]

In 2015 the Institute of Archaeology in Moscow conducted researches on various Sarmato-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. In this analyses, the two Alan samples from 4th to 6th century AD turned out with yDNAs G2a-P15 and R1a-z94, while from the three Sarmatian samples from 2nd to 3rd century AD two turned out both with yDNA J1-M267 and one with R1a.[55] And the three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from 8th to 9th century AD turned out with yDNAs G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94 respectively[56] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans



Same can be said about the Cimmerians. Cimmerians could be also very native to West Asia and not to the Pontic Steppe at all.....
 
But then again Sarmato-Alans had Iranian Plateau 'deep-roots' and their Y-DNA was not I2a at all, but J1, J2, G2a and Iranian R1a-Z94.

https://www.academia.edu/7061155/Аф...ологии_Северного_Кавказа._М._2014._С._312-315
https://www.academia.edu/15713987/А...ма_современной_археологии._М._2015._С.146-153


NOT native to the Steppes at all..

" In a study conducted in 2014 by V.V. Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 10 Alanic burials on the Don River, DNA could be abstracted from a total of 7. 4 of them turned out as belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 of them had mtDNA I. The fact that many of the samples share the same y- and mtDNA raises the possibility that the tested individuals belonged to the same tribe or even were close relatives. Nevertheless, this is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2 either.[54]

In 2015 the Institute of Archaeology in Moscow conducted researches on various Sarmato-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. In this analyses, the two Alan samples from 4th to 6th century AD turned out with yDNAs G2a-P15 and R1a-z94, while from the three Sarmatian samples from 2nd to 3rd century AD two turned out both with yDNA J1-M267 and one with R1a.[55] And the three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from 8th to 9th century AD turned out with yDNAs G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94 respectively[56] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans



Same can be said about the Cimmerians. Cimmerians could be also very native to West Asia and not to the Pontic Steppe at all.....

Good history point, Iranian tribes really got around :). On a side note, having 2% Arabic DNA is mathematically equivilant to an Arabic and/or Iraqi 4th Great Grandfather maybe a little older. Perhaps tthe arabic DNA is a proxy but I'd check with your genealogical family tree to be sure.
 
This are my results :

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But these results don't make any sense. So called 'Central Indoeuropean' is to broad. Why is the Iranian Plateau integrated within Northern Caucasus (Maykop/Yamnaya)? I'm 100% sure that my DNA is linked much more to the Iranian Plateau (the original Urheimat of PIE, Leyla Tepe), than to the secondary PIE homeland in Northen Caucasus, Yamnaya. Therefore my Indo-Iranian component is way to low and 'Central Indoeuropean' is to high, while Indo-Iranian is actually native and originally from an area between Kurdistan and Western Iran.
I have more 'Gedrosia' component, than 'Northern Caucasus' component. But this result doesn't show that.


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So, I don't agree with the results!!

There is nothing to disagree. They don't say different thing then you be. But you are 100% right about extra large size of Central Indoeuropeans. But it is just the side effect to limited number of the samples which they have. At least, they have to divide that group into three pieces as Anatolina-Armenian, Iran-Zagros and Caucausian

For me, now you look pretty pure as Sile said (y)
Maybe it can be change after they divide the group.
 

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