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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Natufian 46.32
    2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 36.39
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 17.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Albanian 3.28
    2 Bulgarian 4.85
    3 Greek 5.21
    4 Romanian 5.48
    5 Sicilian 7.91
    6 Spanish 8.32
    7 Croatian 8.8
    8 Italian_South 8.99
    9 Jew_Ashkenazi 10.06
    10 French 11.2
    11 Hungarian 11.98
    12 Sardinian 13.14
    13 English 14.19
    14 Czech 14.29
    15 Jew_Moroccan 14.56
    16 Basque 15.1
    17 Scottish 15.51
    18 Ukrainian 15.65
    19 Jew_Libyan 15.89
    20 Norwegian 16.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 83.4% Europe_EN + 16.6% AG2 @ 0.45
    2 83.4% Europe_EN + 16.6% AG3 @ 0.45
    3 83.4% Europe_EN + 16.6% MA1 @ 0.45
    4 62.8% Italian_South + 37.2% Basque @ 1.29
    5 83.6% Albanian + 16.4% Basque @ 1.46
    6 61.7% Anatolia_N + 38.3% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.46
    7 90% Italian_South + 10% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.57
    8 90% Italian_South + 10% WHG @ 1.57
    9 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% Levant_N @ 1.57
    10 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% Natufian @ 1.57
    11 75.2% Greek + 24.8% Basque @ 1.63
    12 80.8% Norwegian + 19.2% Levant_N @ 1.7
    13 80.8% Norwegian + 19.2% Natufian @ 1.7
    14 66.1% Basque + 33.9% Jew_iraqi @ 1.72
    15 65.6% Basque + 34.4% Assyrian @ 1.8
    16 74.8% Albanian + 25.2% Spanish @ 1.82
    17 66% Basque + 34% Jew_Iranian @ 1.86
    18 52% Spanish + 48% Italian_South @ 1.88
    19 96.8% Albanian + 3.2% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.95
    20 96.8% Albanian + 3.2% WHG @ 1.95

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    I wish there was a calculator or reference for levels of Basal Eurasian in modern populations.

    Going by this calculator, if we take half the ancestry of Natufians as Basal Eurasian, then Europeans have from 15-20% BEu, and Near Easterners 25-30%, is that accurate ?

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    And what about Ancient North Eurasian ? Near Easterners have high levels of ANE according to this calculator (mine is 23%), unlike what is reported in this map:


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    1 Natufian 42.08
    2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 40.24
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 13.16
    4 Sub_Saharan 3.94
    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.58

    1 Spanish 3.04
    2 Romanian 7.25
    3 Croatian 7.3
    4 French 7.53
    5 Bulgarian 8.01
    6 Hungarian 9.02
    7 Basque 9.66
    8 Albanian 10.19
    9 English 10.53
    10 Czech 10.98
    11 Sardinian 11.61
    12 Scottish 11.81
    13 Greek 12.09
    14 Ukrainian 12.49
    15 Norwegian 13
    16 Sicilian 14.03
    17 Icelandic 14.12
    18 Europe_LNBA 15.33
    19 Jew_Ashkenazi 15.78
    20 Italian_South 15.95

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdeoF View Post
    1 Natufian 42.08
    2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 40.24
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 13.16
    4 Sub_Saharan 3.94
    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.58

    1 Spanish 3.04
    2 Romanian 7.25
    3 Croatian 7.3
    4 French 7.53
    5 Bulgarian 8.01
    6 Hungarian 9.02
    7 Basque 9.66
    8 Albanian 10.19
    9 English 10.53
    10 Czech 10.98
    11 Sardinian 11.61
    12 Scottish 11.81
    13 Greek 12.09
    14 Ukrainian 12.49
    15 Norwegian 13
    16 Sicilian 14.03
    17 Icelandic 14.12
    18 Europe_LNBA 15.33
    19 Jew_Ashkenazi 15.78
    20 Italian_South 15.95
    I don't think levels of Sub-Saharan are accurate for this calculator, according to it, Levant BA has 4% SSA admixture, which we know it didn't have, maybe the reference for this component include East Africans who have Levantine ancestry.

    For me it seems reasonable, 8% is close enough to the 6% East African reported on other calculators.

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    Hmm this calculator is really odd it's like it's 1/2 right 1/2 wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    I don't think levels of Sub-Saharan are accurate for this calculator, according to it, Levant BA has 4% SSA admixture, which we know it didn't have, maybe the reference for this component include East Africans who have Levantine ancestry.

    For me it seems reasonable, 8% is close enough to the 6% East African reported on other calculators.
    Yeah it does not feel like it and I'm from north Spain which does not make much sense. Also the Single Population Sharing is not correct expect the Spanish one.

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    Population
    Ancestral_North_Eurasian 15.64
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian -
    East_Asian 0.42
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 40.07
    Natufian 43.87
    Sub_Saharan -

    1 83.5% Icelandic + 16.5% Levant_N @ 0.22
    2 83.5% Icelandic + 16.5% Natufian @ 0.22
    7 87.4% Sardinian + 12.6% EHG @ 0.88
    10 79.7% Lithuanian + 20.3% Natufian @ 0.98
    11 79.7% Lithuanian + 20.3% Levant_N @ 0.98
    16 64.2% Europe_EN + 35.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.2
    19 82.2% Europe_LNBA + 17.8% Levant_N @ 1.23
    20 82.2% Europe_LNBA + 17.8% Natufian @ 1.23

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Basque +50% Greek @ 1.000425

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Basque +25% Cypriot +25% French @ 0.931661

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Anatolia_N + Greek + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 0.676271

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdeoF View Post
    Hmm this calculator is really odd it's like it's 1/2 right 1/2 wrong
    It's ready for the trash bin, imho, like a lot of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    1 83.5% Icelandic + 16.5% Levant_N @ 0.22
    2 83.5% Icelandic + 16.5% Natufian @ 0.22
    7 87.4% Sardinian + 12.6% EHG @ 0.88
    10 79.7% Lithuanian + 20.3% Natufian @ 0.98
    11 79.7% Lithuanian + 20.3% Levant_N @ 0.98
    16 64.2% Europe_EN + 35.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.2
    19 82.2% Europe_LNBA + 17.8% Levant_N @ 1.23
    20 82.2% Europe_LNBA + 17.8% Natufian @ 1.23
    OOOOH I see a hidden "what comes next in the series" puzzle! I love these kinds of questions!! The answer is 25 because the series follows a plus one plus 5 plus 3 pattern between each quadruplet of numbers and each number that is the previous number plus five is in italics.

    1 + 1=2
    2 + 5=7
    7 + 3=10
    10 + 1=11
    11 + 5=16
    16 + 3=19
    19 + 1=20
    20 + 5=25
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's ready for the trash bin, imho, like a lot of them.
    Yep a lot of I don't even understand too much thanks to the odd numbers of it. Anyways it really more about algorithms then where you from, most of the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    I wish there was a calculator or reference for levels of Basal Eurasian in modern populations.
    Going by this calculator, if we take half the ancestry of Natufians as Basal Eurasian, then Europeans have from 15-20% BEu, and Near Easterners 25-30%, is that accurate ?
    Levels of Basal Eurasian in Ancient samples:



    if modern Europeans cluster with Europe_LNBA then they would have from 15-25% BEu, while Near Easterners would have 25-35%

    from Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East.

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    mine below

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Natufian 43.33
    2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 35.70
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.66


    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bulgarian @ 2.735283
    2 Romanian @ 3.874132
    3 Croatian @ 4.668196
    4 Greek @ 5.597648
    5 Albanian @ 7.277499
    6 Sicilian @ 8.948083
    7 Spanish @ 9.762009
    8 Italian_South @ 10.042373
    9 Hungarian @ 10.336728
    10 French @ 10.653173
    11 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 11.233868
    12 Czech @ 12.551389
    13 English @ 12.764177
    14 Ukrainian @ 13.358443
    15 Scottish @ 13.787315
    16 Norwegian @ 14.155935
    17 Jew_Moroccan @ 15.594926
    18 Armenia_ChL @ 15.976079
    19 Icelandic @ 16.279020
    20 Basque @ 16.574711

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cypriot +50% Lithuanian @ 1.804555


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +25% Georgian +25% Spanish @ 1.297227


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
    1 Anatolia_N + EHG + Europe_EN + Europe_EN @ 0.000000
    2 Basque + Georgian + Greek + Icelandic @ 0.914001


    0.000000 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    And what about Ancient North Eurasian ? Near Easterners have high levels of ANE according to this calculator (mine is 23%), unlike what is reported in this map:

    Levels of ANE admixture in Near Easterners is mostly due to Iranian/Caucasus ancestry since the Bronze Age.



    almost half of Iranian Neolithic ancestry is from ANE, and it was higher in CHG and Iranian Chalcolithic, who might have been the direct source of admixture in Near Easterners.

    ANE first appears in the Bronze Age, this is Levant Neolithic:

    Ancestral_North_Eurasian -
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian -
    East_Asian 0.34
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.61
    Natufian 85.14
    Sub_Saharan 1.90


    and this is Levant Bronze Age:


    Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.45
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian -
    East_Asian 0.61
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 18.31
    Natufian 60.90
    Sub_Saharan 1.73


    Iran Chalcolithic:

    Ancestral_North_Eurasian 44.49
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.22
    East_Asian -
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer -
    Natufian 54.29
    Sub_Saharan -

    So I guess this calculator is accurate to some degree.

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    Pretty spot on

    i am half Azeri half turk. Pretty spot on, this calculation.


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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 42.77
    2 Natufian 34.75
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.68
    4 East_Asian 2.49
    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.3

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian 2.3
    2 Hungarian 2.79
    3 Czech 2.82
    4 Norwegian 3.63
    5 Scottish 3.73
    6 English 3.84
    7 Croatian 5.39
    8 French 5.5
    9 Icelandic 5.79
    10 Europe_LNBA 6.27
    11 Estonian 8.12
    12 Romanian 8.66
    13 Russian 9.19
    14 Lithuanian 9.24
    15 Spanish 9.98
    16 Finnish 10.22
    17 Bulgarian 10.28
    18 Steppe_MLBA 10.79
    19 Basque 12.03
    20 Albanian 15.35

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.9% Ukrainian + 7.1% Turkish 0.8
    2 92.8% Czech + 7.2% Tajik 0.82
    3 79.7% Estonian + 20.3% Cypriot 0.87
    4 93.8% Czech + 6.2% Turkmen 0.89
    5 93.8% Ukrainian + 6.2% Cypriot 0.96
    6 83.2% Icelandic + 16.8% Turkish 0.97
    7 72.5% Estonian + 27.5% Italian_South 0.97
    8 94.4% Ukrainian + 5.6% Druze 1.03
    9 94.4% Ukrainian + 5.6% Azeri 1.04
    10 95% Ukrainian + 5% Jew_iraqi 1.05
    11 93.3% Ukrainian + 6.7% Balkar 1.05
    12 94.4% Ukrainian + 5.6% Lebanese 1.06
    13 91.2% Ukrainian + 8.8% Italian_South 1.06
    14 94.9% Czech + 5.1% Burusho 1.06
    15 95.3% Ukrainian + 4.7% Levant_BA 1.08
    16 94.9% Ukrainian + 5.1% Assyrian 1.08
    17 95.2% Ukrainian + 4.8% Jew_Yemenite 1.08
    18 95% Ukrainian + 5% Jew_Iranian 1.08
    19 95.1% Ukrainian + 4.9% Saudi 1.08
    20 89.1% Ukrainian + 10.9% Greek 1.1

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